Wikivoyage talk:Links to and from Wikipedia

I hate being difficult, but... links from Wikipedia don't really have a lot to do with our manual of style. Is anyone going to be terribly bummed if I split this up into Project:Links to Wikipedia and Project:Links from Wikipedia? --(WT-en) Evan 10:24, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)


 * On a narrow level, no, but on a general level, I think the manual of style is terribly unwieldy right now, as it's split into bazillions of overlapping articles.  Eg. right now we already have Welcome Wikipedians, Cooperating with Wikipedia, Links to Wikipedia and now you want a fourth article...


 * Of the three you mention, only one is in the Project:Manual of style. And I don't think the fourth one belongs there, either, since it's about how to edit Wikipedia, and not about guidelines for Wikivoyage text. I believe all three of the articles you mentioned link to each other. Each has a different purpose and the only way they overlap is in that they all have "Wikipedia" in the title. --(WT-en) Evan 12:02, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)


 * At the very least we should put up Wikipedia-style navigation templates so you have a fair stab at finding what you need even if you end up on the wrong page. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:47, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)


 * What do you mean by "Wikipedia-style navigation templates"? I think our Project:Help (for technical info), Project:Policies and guidelines (for policies), and Project:Manual of style (for style guidelines) provide very convenient starting points in list format. Project:utilities catches most of the outliers.


 * I'd like to suggest this: maybe you should take a look at Project:utilities and think about how you would organize our available pages. Maybe even make some indices in different ways: alphabetical, by purpose, by topic (your grouping of Wikipedia), etc. That's one of the advantages of having many articles: you can cut and slice them different ways. --(WT-en) Evan 12:02, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)


 * By the way: I added a snarky change summary for my previous comments. It was meant in a friendly way for a fellow admin whose opinion I respect and whose attention to this wiki -- big and small picture -- is admirable. No offense intended, but on re-reading I realized it wasn't immediately obvious. (Gotta remember to use the ☺ key more often.) --(WT-en) Evan 12:26, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)

This discussion is the wrong place, and we've had it once before, but here we go again...

So if you take a peek at  you'll notice that there's an index box on the right, created with a handy template, that provides a 'table of contents' for the MoS. You'll also notice that the main Wikipedia MoS is one page with 15 subheadings, and only obscure stuff of limited scope gets shunted out into subpages.

The reason I want this is that I've been Wikivoyageling for quite some time now and I still find it exceedingly difficult to locate policy/guideline/manualofstyle/miscellaneous administrative pages here. (You may recall my earlier bitching about the arbitrariness of the division between these four and your refusal to consider linking to the same article from multiple pages.) If it's difficult for me, how does the just-signed-up newbie find the interface?

And oh, consumption of chill pills is punishable by hanging in the jurisdiction I'm typing this in. (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:05, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)