Wikivoyage:WTS archive/Travellers' pub/Pub cellar November 28, 2007

Links to other friendly links
On the Dutch project we are now busy trying to get our name into travel-portals. This in order to create awareness of the project and to get more writers (we need them desperately!). The portals seem to be willing to co-operate but we also get questions to make a link to them. One example is the site. I think all the sights use the same policy as it comes to making links to other sites and this one does not comply with the rules. Any suggestions on how to resolve this? Or do we bluntly tell them there is no way we are going to link to them? (Dutch are very good at being blunt & direct.....) {(WT-shared) 3wisemen 07:21, 24 May 2007 (EDT)}
 * I'd really hate to see us start linking to pages like that one. One thing the Dutch version hasn't really done much is placing links to Wikivoyage from their respective pages on Wikipedia. Note that the Wikivoyage page should be halfway decent before you can do this. (WT-shared) Texugo 21:21, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I totally agree with your opinion about this (also see my proposed solution). The question remains though how other language expeditions have dealt with these kind of requests in order to stay in tune with each other? {(WT-shared) 3wisemen 02:09, 27 May 2007 (EDT)}
 * On sv: we have followed the same idea which (WT-shared) Texugo suggests above. When we launch a "destination of the month" (an article which then is fully acceptable), a link is placed on the corresponding page on the swedish version of Wikipedia. This has attracted a few new contributors. I do not know if I like the idea of linking to other sites though, but since Wikivoyage is owned by Internet Brands, I assume they might have a different point of view. (WT-shared) Riggwelter 13:20, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

Images picked up from Photovietnam.com and Vietnamvoyage.com
Some of the images related to Vietnam (one of them are on the top page), especially uploaded by User:(WT-shared) CrazyVLSare, User:(WT-shared) Tina Huong, User:(WT-shared) Trungduong are picked up from Photovietnam.com and Vietnamvoyage.com. Contributers are insisting that all images are provided by cc-by-sa, but actually the copyright of all those images are preserved by the sights (see the bottom of each sight).

In relation to those pictures does someone have any information (or any proofs) that those pictures are provided by cc-by-sa? Is it OK to delete them from the shared immediately (i.e. without vote for deletion) if no one proves that they are not guilty?--(WT-shared) Shoestring 22:42, 2 June 2007 (EDT)


 * According to T's and C's of both sites, the express written permission is required for their content.  So, I think the speedy deletion is applicable to these pics. -- (WT-shared) Tatata 07:59, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

Lost session data
I don't know if this is just a symptom of the site slowdown problem, but lately I get the "lost session data" error message a whole lot, especially on non-English versions like Italian and Romanian. Sometimes it'll finally go through after I submit it 3 or 4 times, but sometimes I click submit and get this error so many times that I just give up on Wikivoyage and come back and try again later. The load times for pages are not particularly long or anything, just can't submit changes. I haven't seen where anyone mentioned this specific problem, so if there is already a discussion somewhere, forgive me. Is is just me? Or are others having this problem too? (WT-shared) Texugo 05:16, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Edited to say the post above initially went through, but to make a minor correction I've already clicked "Save page" about 30 times, with the error message every time. I've tried logging in and out, and I've tried clearing my cache, but the problem persists. (WT-shared) Texugo 05:22, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Surely I'm not the only one?! It happens to me from 4 different computers, different connections.(WT-shared) Texugo 04:08, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
 * That's weird. I haven't seen that happening on pt: and en:, the versions I normally use. Nonetheless you could submit a bug report if it keeps happening. (WT-shared) Ricardo (Rmx) 22:40, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
 * I get the same as Texugo, but only occasionally, and I've never had to hit save more than twice. It seems that it happens when I go away for a while, and then do an edit: I'm still logged in, but the session seems to have expired in the meantime. (Which is a bit weird, because you'd think it was the same thing to be logged and to have a valid session, but evidently not.) (WT-shared) Jpatokal 22:19, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Yeah, it's weird. It still shows "Texugo" at the top and if I continue hitting the button it will eventually go through and I'm still signed in afterwards. Sometimes it's better than others, and different language versions seem to behave differently at different times. (WT-shared) Texugo 03:02, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
 * I'm also suffering from the same symptom for months on every language version. See WtTech:Users who log in don't stay logged in. --(WT-shared) Episteme 15:54, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Spam
Could someone with permission speedy-delete the many external-links pages created by [|Neowebstudios]? I've already pinged their talk page... (WT-shared) Maj

Manual for administrators
As I promised on en: or on shared ages ago, I have now translated the swedish Wikivoyage manual for administrators into english. It is now published here. Have a look and have your say on the talk page. (WT-shared) Riggwelter 09:46, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

Language versions and article templates
I have recently become interested in improving fr: articles for regions I'm familiar with. I notice that the region article template there is old and is much different than the current en: version. To what degree are the pages supposed to have the same headings? Is it by consensus at the language level? How do I know who, if anyone, is an admin on the French language site? (WT-shared) OldPine 15:42, 27 August 2007 (EDT)


 * Templates and policies are overwhelmingly determined by consensus at the language level right now (although whether that is a very good thing is an open question). I usually find the best way to find things on other language versions is to go where you would find the information on :en, and then follow an interwiki link to the appropriate language version page. So for finding admins on the French version, go to en:Project:Administrators and click the :fr link in the left navigation bar for fr:Project:Administrateurs.


 * Specifically for finding administrators, you can also just type Special:Listadmins in the search box of any version to get a comprehensive list of everyone with sysop privileges. You can do that with any special page, by the way, and to see what the available special pages are, just search for Special:Specialpages over here or on :en. Hope that helps! --(WT-shared) Peter Talk 17:17, 27 August 2007 (EDT)

Hebrwe version
Hi. I'm an administrator in the Hebrew version, and I would like to ask two questions. First, can the contents table be placed on the right side (not the left), which is the right way according to the Hebrew grammer? Second, I want to change the link of Wikipedia from Wikipedia to ויקיפדיה, how can I do that? And the last question, which is a general question. I saw in Wikipedia they can link fron pictures to article, do we have this ability eaither? Thanks a lot. (WT-shared) Orel zion 22:54, 6 September 2007 (EDT)


 * 1) Not very easily. Please make a Tech request.
 * 2) Do you mean the link you see in the sidebar, or the link you write ( Article )?
 * 3) Sorry, I don't understand what you mean...? (WT-shared) Jpatokal 02:12, 17 September 2007 (EDT)


 * How to?
 * Both.
 * I meant internal link like this . i mean when you press on a picture it links you to picture page, but I saw in wikipedia that they can link from a picture to an article page. see in the main page of Wikipedia, when you press on one of the logos at the bottom of the page, like the Wikimedia commons. it links you directly to the Commons. I hope you understand me. (WT-shared) Orel zion 03:42, 17 September 2007 (EDT)


 * You can make a feature request from Category:Tech requests page.
 * It seems that Wikipedia uses tag to link from image to article. The tag is a MediaWiki Extension, so I think you need to make another feature request to install it to Wikivoyage. -- (WT-shared) Tatata 01:56, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks. But it doesn't seem like anyone is looking on the technical request page. Anyway, what about my second question? (WT-shared) Orel zion 02:41, 3 October 2007 (EDT)


 * Yes, I hardly receive responses to my tech requests. :-)
 * As for interwiki linking, unfortunately, you need to make a tech request. ;-) -- (WT-shared) Tatata 03:40, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Well thanks anyway. I hope someday it'll be a little more conveniet. (WT-shared) Orel zion 00:22, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

MWI
The "message waiting indication" feature, the little flashing red dot indicating you have a new message on your talk page, has now been out of order for months. This is a critical error and I do not think that Internet Brands has given this the attention it deserves. Does anybody know when the MWI is going to be fixed? (WT-shared) Riggwelter 04:20, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
 * How many Canadians does it take to change a lightbulb? (WT-shared) 2old 13:07, 3 October 2007 (EDT)


 * Oh!!! I like playing this game, but I'm better at guessing how many jelly beans there are in a jar, rather than Candaians, but oh well.  Anyhow, the answer is dependent on the origin of the Canadian.  One, if he/she is from "Canada" or 12 Quebecois. -- (WT-shared) Sapphire &bull; (Talk) &bull; 17:12, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Is it easy and cheap to travel with buses in Mexico ?
My girlfriend and I are going to Mexico in early November.

We are planning to cross half of the contry :

From Mexico City to Puebla, to Oaxaca, to Chiapas, to Merida, to Cancun.

Can anyone help us with where we can take a bus in each city and how much it would cost ?

We found out about the web site https://www.ticketbus.com.mx/ but prices appear expensive !

Please gently share your knowledge of Mexico with us.

Serious replies only.

Many thanks for your help,

Nicolas, Brussels, Belgium.

funcn22@yahoo.com


 * &rarr; en:Mexico – (WT-shared) cacahuate  talk 22:36, 17 October 2007 (EDT)


 * Buses are the way to go, but having a car is better. And as they say in Mexico, it's almost free. Keep in mind there are a variety of classes of buses, the longer the ride, the better the bus you will want. You have made great choices on your cities and the bus terminals will be easy to find and get to, that will be the least of your worries. Consider Chichen Itza and Teotihuacan as part of your visit, you will not be disappointed, is my bet. Keep a close eye on your bags and money (best advice I can give you). If you lose your girlfriend, don't worry, they will fix you up with their sister. ;-) Have fun. (WT-shared) 2old 12:16, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

Re-using images that aren't in Shared
Hi, sorry in advance if this is a silly question, but is there a way for one language version (like fr) to re-use images posted in another language version (like en, de, it, etc) but not in Shared? For example: Edinburgh has some nice images, including a great one of Holyrood Palace, but it doesn't seem to be in shared. Can it be linked/included directly from en, or is there a policy allowing some volunteer (like me ;)) to re-post it in shared? Thanks for any info/advice...  (WT-shared) WTDuck2 13:06, 18 October 2007 (EDT)


 * No, you can't link to it from another version, and that's in fact the whole reason Shared was created! But you can just download the image to your PC, upload it to Shared, and copy the original description.  (WT-shared) Jpatokal 22:32, 18 October 2007 (EDT)


 * OK, thanks. (WT-shared) WTDuck2 07:03, 19 October 2007 (EDT)


 * So now that I've (slowly!) started uploading the occasional one-language-version image to shared... should I be vfd'g them in the original language version, since a copy now lives here, or should they live in both? (WT-shared) WTDuck2 13:26, 11 November 2007 (EST)


 * You should vfd them... on :en we allow for speedy deleting by an admin of images that are moved to shared, I would recommend that for all language versions too – (WT-shared) cacahuate  talk 17:16, 11 November 2007 (EST)