Wikivoyage:WTS archive/Travellers' pub/Archive 2010

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Announcement: Wikivoyage Mobile version
We are now running a beta mobile version of Wikivoyage.org. You can check it out at http://m.Wikivoyage.org/ This is a read only version and is based on Wikipedia’s mobile site. It’s only viewable from non-wap mobile devices, IPhones and Blackberries that contain Opera browsers. Users can still opt to use the standard web version if they prefer to do so.

We’d love to hear your feedback and you can do so by posting here.

--(WT-shared) Ibsteph 9:54, 20 November 2009 (EDT)
 * A very good initiative IB, but until it is available for all mobile phones, the service is really a non-service. (WT-shared) Riggwelter 09:51, 25 December 2009 (EST)


 * It's a good first version, thanks guys. Riggwelter, buy an iPhone? You'll love it :) – (WT-shared) cacahuate  talk 13:28, 26 December 2009 (EST)


 * Yeah, thanks guys. It looks really good for a first version. I found a couple of quirks but it works pretty well. (WT-shared) Shaund 21:37, 1 January 2010 (EST)


 * Firstly, you don't just need an iphone, any phone with a regular browser will work.
 * Secondly, how do you edit the main page? Is it a wiki? --(WT-shared) Inas 17:19, 22 February 2010 (EST)


 * Steph said it was read-only. (WT-shared) LtPowers 09:36, 23 February 2010 (EST)

I thought that she meant by that you could only use the mobile site to read the guide, and to edit it you have to use the main version. That is fair enough. However, the main page is different to the standard main page, so there should be some way to edit that, if it is a wiki? --(WT-shared) Inas 18:04, 23 February 2010 (EST)


 * I have checked out the mobile version recently and noticed, that the search is not working for me. It is showing a "page not found" error, informing me this version is still under development. Entering URLs manually the layout is improved a lot though but without search it is almost useless. Also in the footer the mobile version is still referring to CC 1.0 license but this should be an easy fix. Thanks for the efforts! --59.97.152.10 23:51, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

VfD backlog
There's a backlog at VfD; I'm not closing the ones I've nominated for obvious reasons, but I've taken care of all the rest up through the middle of November. (WT-shared) LtPowers 19:47, 9 December 2009 (EST)
 * Still backlogged. I know I'm not the only admin around here.  (WT-shared) LtPowers 15:50, 2 January 2010 (EST)
 * I cleaned up some of it, but couldn't figure out how to start a new archives page. I archived all the images I dealt with in the July-Dec 2009 page for now. (WT-shared) Shaund 21:16, 2 January 2010 (EST)
 * Thanks! You should have been able to create a new archive the same way you create any new page.  I've gone ahead and done so and moved the newly archived discussions there.  (WT-shared) LtPowers 21:31, 2 January 2010 (EST)
 * Thanks for setting the new archive page up. I cleaned up what I thought was resolved in November as well. Go ahead and undelete if I've been too quick to delete/keep some of the images. (WT-shared) Shaund 02:54, 3 January 2010 (EST)

I think the reason for the backlog is that the practice of deleting pictures of tourist attractions under various copyright laws is very much new, and people aren't sure how to respond to it without having had a discussion to produce a consensus on what to do. We had a discussion regarding keeping photos of types of landmarks (sculptures, murals, Legoland, etc.) under "editorial use" rights at. Lets make that a policy discussion. --(WT-shared) Peter Talk 14:24, 11 January 2010 (EST)

User:Trm's Romanian images
User:(WT-shared) Trm has uploaded several images from Romania which appear to be taken from Flickr and/or Wikimedia Commons but are not properly sourced or licensed. I've nominated one, Image:Place Avram Iancu.jpg, for deletion. Of the others, I fixed the ones I could find on Commons to have the correct information and licensing. There are three or four, however, that I could not find on Commons. I suspect they're on Flickr but don't have the time or patience to wade through Flickr looking for them. I've left a note at User talk:(WT-shared) Trm asking Trm to provide at least a source for those images so that we can verify the license, but who knows if the message will ever be seen. I'd appreciate it if others could keep an eye on these images and see if Trm ever comes back to update the image information, and, if not, to nominate the remaining images for deletion. (WT-shared) LtPowers 10:06, 14 December 2009 (EST)
 * Problem resolved; User:Trm has responded and fixed the images. (WT-shared) LtPowers 11:27, 1 January 2010 (EST)

Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported
Are we allowed to upload an image from Wikimedia Commons that has the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license? (WT-shared) Globe-trotter 00:46, 25 December 2009 (EST)
 * As far as I know, yes. (WT-shared) Riggwelter 09:48, 25 December 2009 (EST)

License Upgrade
With the license upgrade to 3.0, can we still use images that are specified with a different version number of cc-by-sa? (a number of images from Flickr are 2.0) -(WT-shared) Shaund 21:40, 1 January 2010 (EST)
 * Creative Commons licenses versions 2.0 and higher explicitly allow relicensing under a later version of the same license. So no, there's no problem.  (Even the rare 1.0 image should be ok, as long as we only include the image in our works rather than create derivative works from the image.)  (WT-shared) LtPowers 22:42, 1 January 2010 (EST)

Range Block
Is it possible to use a range block, as someone suggested on my Talk Page on WT:fr. I also noticed a pattern in the Ip's used to spam. like 92.112.xx.xx. I know that Wikipedia uses it, but by my knowledge is it new for Wikivoyage. --(WT-shared) Rein N. 01:14, 15 January 2010 (EST)
 * Unfortunately, no. There has been no visible action on WtTech:Enable range blocks since it was submitted last year.  - (WT-shared) D. Guillaime 01:49, 15 January 2010 (EST)


 * I am adding this to the tech queue. - (WT-shared) Steph Feb 9th, 2010


 * Just checked with tech, unfortunately we do not block IP ranges..(WT-shared) Steph 3:20 PM Feb 10th, 2010( PST)


 * Erm, we are not asking you to block IP ranges, we are requesting opening of the very frequently used Mediawiki feature which allows us to temporarily block ip-ranges as a last resort to stop high volume vandalism. If you poked around a bit you'll see we have very restrictive guidelines on just regular ip user blocks (apart from spambots), and I can't really see anything this community has done to earn any distrust in this regard - so I'd really urge you to reconsider your one-size-fits-all policy on this one. Especially since we've never had any backup from you guys during previous high-volume attacks. Try looking up "Willy-on-wheels" and see how he single-handedly brought the Juggernaut that is Wikipedia to it's knees, and then consider what his copycat following can do to a small community like Wikivoyage, with zero-ziltch-nada in the way of tech support, if they tried. (WT-shared) sertmann 18:45, 10 February 2010 (EST)


 * As a rule, we don't allow the members of our sites to ban IP addresses, especially through the use of plug-ins that allow the banning of full IP ranges. In the past, we've had people a.) block our own network, b.) block entire countries, and c.) block google.
 * Blocking IP's is very rarely effective, and can potentially do a lot of harm. Therefore, anytime someone believe that an IP needs to be banned can make the case to me. My contact information is available on the IB page: []. If we do have a problem like the case you've mentioned above, we have the ability to revert all edits by the offending use in bulk. (WT-shared) IB-Dick 20:06, 10 February 2010 (EST)


 * Dick, we already block users, both registered and IP users; it's built-in to the MediaWiki software. And anyone with the ability to block can also unblock themselves, so there's no risk of us shutting out anyone important (though what Google has to do with anything I can't figure out).  (WT-shared) LtPowers 21:05, 10 February 2010 (EST)


 * So, what's the problem? (WT-shared) IB-Dick 13:18, 11 February 2010 (EST)


 * Savvy vandals will change their ips rapidly to circumvent our blocks. Very short-term range blocks can deal with this easily by halting edits from their entire range, which is why other wikis like Wikipedia employ them. Please read WtTech:Enable range blocks, which also explains how you can (quite easily) enable this feature. --(WT-shared) Peter Talk 14:19, 11 February 2010 (EST)


 * There is some confusion - we aren't talking about blocking READ access to pages, only EDIT privileges. Google and other spiders would not be affected in any way.  In addition to the link Peter provided, see also en:Project:How to handle unwanted edits which is the current English Wikivoyage's guidelines on when and how to block a user from editing.  Blocking single users / IPs is effective most of the time, but in cases where a vandal is savvy enough to change IPs, being able to (temporarily) block the dynamic range that they are using would save enormous amounts of time.  Wikivoyage would collapse if there weren't editors spending huge amounts of time dealing with bad edits, so adding additional tools to make this work easier should be a no brainer. -- (WT-shared) Ryan 14:36, 11 February 2010 (EST)


 * Whilst it is good to finally hear from someone at IB after a yawning absence, there is a remarkable lack of understanding of both what is being requested, and of the extremely responsible manner in which the Wikivoyage community has always conducted its affairs. As Ryan says, please just make an effort to make our work with Wikivoyage a little bit easier. That is all we are asking. You never know, IB's ad income might even increase if you actually try to help with keeping the site in order. --(WT-shared) Burmesedays 23:28, 11 February 2010 (EST)

Test setup
I've been contemplating on this for a while, There may some issues I haven't thought through, but just floating an idea...

To move us forward, how about we requested that Internet Brands re-enabled the old test server (Wikivoyage.org/test) and opened up SSH to a selected group of trusted users (on the test setup only). We could then (I think... maybe) pool all of our technical expertise within the community to set up a upgraded platform (a newer version of Mediawiki, allowing stuff like Tech:Enable rel="nofollow" etc.) and fix/make some of the easy tech stuff that has been neglected for years, but are easily fixed.

Once we'd come up with a working, thoroughly tested platform, we could then request IB to simply roll it out, rather than spending corporate time improving something "that works" - I think we've learned by now, we won't get anything through that way. It won't fix everything, but at least it would move us forward. I guess the biggest question is if we have collectively have the expertise for such an endeavour, what do you think? (WT-shared) sertmann 15:48, 15 January 2010 (EST)


 * I'm absolutely supportive of the idea, and would be happy to try to help get IB on board, if possible. The status quo on tech support is unsupportable. No technical skills on my part, though. --(WT-shared) Peter Talk 11:55, 16 January 2010 (EST)


 * I have technical skills, though I'd have to come up to speed on Mediawiki. I'm not even sure in what language it's implemented.  (WT-shared) LtPowers 21:40, 16 January 2010 (EST)


 * I am running this by my managers. IBsteph 4:20 PM Feb 9th ,2010  (PST)


 * Unfortunately we cannot allow this. We will be studying the top bugs in the  coming weeks and will do a better job of keeping you informed  of which issues can be worked on. Thanks! IBsteph3:22 pm, 10 February, 2010 ( PST)

Post tech issues here
Hi everyone, I am looking for a way to centralize tech bugs and requests. Could we make this page the place for all current tech reporting and requests? Also for serious and urgent matters, please feel free to email me at 'community@internetbrands.com'. Thanks! user:(WT-shared) IBsteph   5:10 pm, 9 February 2010 (PST)
 * Welcome back! The bugs and requests already do have a centralized home: Category:Tech requests, which also facilitates organizing into open bugs, closed bugs, open requests, etc.   -- (WT-shared) D. Guillaime 22:47, 9 February 2010 (EST)


 * Thanks, I actually do know of that page :-) The problem is that there are so many listed and I am fairly new to the company- I don't know which ones to address first-  Can we come up with a sort of' top 5'  of bugs / requests that need to be fixed first? This would help me tremendously when creating  tech tickets here at IB . Our team has limited resources and works on a great number of sites,  so they need to prioritize their workload. Any  suggestions on which ones you would like to address first, would be greatly appreciated! I can then run them by teach to see  if they can be realistically resolved. If they can't then we can move on to the next 5.. etc..(WT-shared) Steph 11:27 am, 10 the February, 2010 ( PST)

I think you're looking for the Roadmap and Top bugs :) ... and there are only so many because nothing ever gets fixed :o) would be nice with some attention though, *blink blink* (WT-shared) sertmann 14:43, 10 February 2010 (EST)


 * Great thanks, I will check it out and get back to you :-)(WT-shared) Steph12:18 pm, 10 February, 2010 ( PST)


 * Just to let you all know that I am in the process of updating the roadmap and top bug requests and open items. Some things will be put in the queue to be fixed but there are others that we won't be able to mitigate.  If you could please take the issues that cannot be fixed off the list that would be great. Thanks!--(WT-shared) Steph2:28 pm, 18 February, 2010 ( PST)


 * - This has been updated, please take this out of top bugs. Thanks! Ibsteph 11:15 am, 24 February, 2010

Great. --(WT-shared) Peter Talk 17:20, 24 February 2010 (EST)


 * Steph, can you please get a response to the latest post here Tech talk:Enable rel="nofollow". Thanks. --(WT-shared) Burmesedays 23:14, 23 March 2010 (EDT)


 * Done !-(WT-shared) Steph5:00 pm, 26 march, 2010

Map attribution
I am concerned that we seem to be getting quite few maps uploaded lately which are not attributing sources properly, or in some cases, at all. Should I be concerned? Examples:
 * First, are these maps OK with no attributions at all: Luzon and Khomlsk? I am fairly sure that "based on maps" will lead us into trouble. And unless you are a cartographer who has visited the location and measured streets etc, I struggle to understand the concept of "own work" in this respect.
 * Second, when using OSM as a source, eg: Yaowarat, should the map markup not link specifically to openstreetmap.org? As far as I understand it, OSM is not public domain and needs attribution. --(WT-shared) Burmesedays 00:28, 14 February 2010 (EST)


 * Yes, using OSM data, they request a link back. If the source data was public domain, technically no attribution is necessary but it's good form to at least say that the map was derived from public domain sources.  (WT-shared) LtPowers 20:11, 15 February 2010 (EST)


 * So what should the procedure be to put these right? --(WT-shared) Burmesedays 04:05, 18 February 2010 (EST)


 * The OSM licence requires attribution as reasonable for the medium. Debates go on endlessly as to what this actually requires of a person reusing a map, especially when OSM itself reuses data that requires attribution.  Is the new licence goes through over there, it will mean that these provisions will only apply to data (which OSMers generally care about the use and contribution of) and not raster (which they don't).
 * Personally, I think credit within the map description page will probably be sufficient. I don't think I'm wrong in surmising the biggest concern with OSMers is making sure any extra geodata we gather (hotel and attraction locations etc) is contributed back.  --(WT-shared) Inas 04:41, 21 February 2010 (EST)


 * That sounds right. My specific concern is that we have maps uploaded at shared with no attribution (sometimes required to OSM, sometimes required to other sources). Is there is a procedure in place to firstly check this, and secondly put it right? The examples I gave above were just random recent maps I looked at. I would imagine there are more. Photographs seem to receive a lot more attention here regarding copyright than do maps. --(WT-shared) Burmesedays 05:18, 21 February 2010 (EST)


 * Does the lack of comment imply this does not matter? --(WT-shared) Burmesedays 08:01, 7 March 2010 (EST)


 * Certainly not; it's indicative that this is a gray area, and your ability to handle it is not significantly different from anyone else's. If the mapmaker is active, such as User:(WT-shared) SnappyHip, I would suggest contacting him to find out where the map data came from.  If not, and you suspect the map is derivative of copyrighted data, nominate it for deletion.  Otherwise, if you know where the data came from, add the link yourself.  (WT-shared) LtPowers 16:46, 8 March 2010 (EST)

I would like to suggest that we install a procedure for checking map attribution markup, much as Peter routinely does with images. All maps should be checked for source attribution and credits, and if they are missing, either the checker puts it right immediately (if it is obvious). or in unclear cases the map maker is asked to do so. In some cases this may result in vfds. I do not think it is enough to simply state "based on OpenStreetMap" (or similar). A credit and source link should be inserted into the map template, just as we ask for with images from Flickr, Commons etc. This is a monitoring task I would be quite willing to undertake. Thoughts?--(WT-shared) Burmesedays 08:28, 11 March 2010 (EST)


 * That seems a reasonable proposal, with the understanding that some images may fall through the cracks. I also fear that the majority of uploads from non-regular contributors will be devoid of such information.  (WT-shared) LtPowers 09:48, 12 March 2010 (EST)


 * Probably. The bright side though is that most maps come from regular contributors.--(WT-shared) Burmesedays 12:15, 12 March 2010 (EST)


 * I wouldn't vfd a map that provided the CC-by-SA 2.0 license & a statement "based on OSM," as it fulfills the requirements of the license of the source material. Although of course, providing a link, location, map tag, etc. would be ideal. --(WT-shared) Peter Talk 20:16, 12 March 2010 (EST)


 * I certainly was not suggesting that Peter. Rather, to insert the correct markup. Vfd's might come though as a last resort if the map has no source information at all.--(WT-shared) Burmesedays 04:15, 13 March 2010 (EST)

Add listing application
En: has a feature in the guides which simplify the adding new listings, for example for hotels and restaurants. I would like to add that feature to sv:, but translated and slightly adjusted to our needs. What do I do to achieve this? (WT-shared) Riggwelter 03:16, 18 February 2010 (EST)
 * Silly me. I should have put it here in the first place. (WT-shared) Riggwelter 06:53, 12 March 2010 (EST)
 * Issue sorted - there is no feature to be actually added. What you do is to translate the MediaWiki system message range for the functionality. Would have loved some support from IB though... (WT-shared) Riggwelter 08:28, 7 November 2010 (EST)

Image names and sguigglies
Using diacritics in an image name creates problems as we know (the generation of a thumbnail is broken). A few points:
 * 1. Can this be fixed? (ideal).
 * 2. If not, can we please tell users not to use any such characters in image names.
 * 3. Why can't I move an image to an acceptable alternative file name? Eg when trying to rename Image:Great Mosque of Djenné (cropped).jpg, losing the accented e, it will not let me. It cannot be used as a thumb-nailed image in any article at En with the existing file name. --(WT-shared) Burmesedays 23:46, 26 March 2010 (EDT)


 * Images can't be moved or renamed at all.... you have to re-upload with a new file name and delete the old one. And there's at least one tech request to fix this – (WT-shared) cacahuate  talk 22:49, 27 March 2010 (EDT)


 * I feared that may be the answer :). Is there a reason why images can't be moved/renamed? Given the outstanding tech request about diacritics receiving no attn, the simple solution would be to rename the offending files. --(WT-shared) Burmesedays 00:11, 28 March 2010 (EDT)


 * I believe it's a feature that was implemented in later versions of MediaWiki. Commons only got the ability to rename files in the last year or so.  (WT-shared) LtPowers 08:09, 30 March 2010 (EDT)

Thanks for that. So we can actually use images, I would like to propose that a message is placed on the upload screen asking users not to use accents and diacritics in a file name. It might at least save a few images. --(WT-shared) Burmesedays 22:42, 1 April 2010 (EDT)


 * Done – (WT-shared) cacahuate  talk 12:19, 3 April 2010 (EDT)


 * Top person you are. Thank you.--(WT-shared) Burmesedays 12:25, 3 April 2010 (EDT)

Discussion on new monetization efforts
hi everyone, Please check out the below post. We welcome your feedback and thoughts on the matter and hope that we can come to a joined solution.

http://shared.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Advertising_policy

Thank you.--(WT-shared) Ibsteph, 5 April 2010 (PST)

Usage of Categories
It's great to redirect uploaders from en to shared, so that the photos can be used in the other language versions too. However, there's still one thing; new people don't seem to know that the photos should be categorized, otherwise nobody will find them. For example this amazing pic sits here on shared but it doesn't how up in Category:Kuala Lumpur (I found it only through the English version). What about adding to the image policy banner: "Please write where the photo is taken" (WT-shared) Ypsilonatshared 00:08, 13 April 2010 (EDT)


 * As an aside that photo should be immediately deleted as it is a copy vio from here http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielcheong/2364196202/--(WT-shared) Burmesedays 01:11, 13 April 2010 (EDT)


 * Far too many pics remain well hidden here I agree. Any user can help with this by looking at the recent uploads screen and checking the markup of new images. I do this for pics that specifically interest me and often the location field is blank or the place is mis-spelt. --(WT-shared) Burmesedays 09:03, 13 April 2010 (EDT)

New version of iTravelFree app for Android/iPhone now available
Just wanted to let people know that the new version of my app iTravelFree - a Wikivoyage gateway for iPhones, iPod Touches, and Android phones - is now available on both the App Store and the Android Market.

You can use it to download Wikivoyage pages, navigate their information with an iTunes-like interface, plot the sights/restaurant/hotels/etc on a map, and add/edit listings yourself. All the data you download remains available when offline, too. And as the name implies, the app is absolutely free. (There is a paid iPhone version, but the only extra you get for that money is the warm fuzzy feeling of knowing you've contributed to a good cause.)

Links: App home page | Paid iPhone version | Free iPhone version  | Android version

What's new in this latest version:
 * The ability to automatically look for and download Wikivoyage destinations near your current location
 * The ability to see a list of all the pages you've downloaded to the app
 * Can now add and edit listings on both Android and iPhone
 * A message board for app discussion
 * A host of other little bug fixes and tweaks

I should warn you, it's still very much a beta-version work in progress, and as always, the newest features are most likely to be clunky - but there are more'n five thousand people using it now, and by and large they seem pretty happy with it.

Up next on my to-do list:
 * A much prettier user interface (for both app and site)
 * Support for OpenStreetMaps as well as Google Maps (which means you'll be able to download and save map tiles on your phone, something Google Maps doesn't allow)
 * The ability to bulk-download most or all of Wikivoyage to your device in one shot
 * Better support for multiple languages (right now you can search/view Wikivoyage in all languages, but the app interface is entirely in English.)

Hope it's helpful!

Questions, comments, bug reports, feature requests, snide remarks or observations? Comment here or on the app's message board, or email me at itravel@rezendi.com.

(WT-shared) Rezendi 20:05, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

koh Phi Phi
i have just been looking at the page for koh Phi Phi Thailand - i have been there for 4 years so i know the island well - the content on there is out of date and in some cases nearly liabalous - i would like to know if this is a review site where anyone with a grudge and some tech knowledge can alter the content for the worst or whether it is an informational site where users/readers can make up their own minds from factual information. you can contact me via a new project www.lovephiphi.com i was considering contributing and adding my knowledge and contacts but having read the page i would like to be reassured first about the purpose/mission of Wikivoyage. —The preceding comment was added by 119.42.101.143 (talk • contribs).
 * Which language version of Wikivoyage were you viewing? (WT-shared) LtPowers 11:28, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

Upload size limit
Is there a file size limit here? I ask as I have twice tried to upload an unusually large SVG (17 mb). The upload completes to 100%, but the dialogue screen then blanks itself and the file does not register as being uploaded. There is no error message. --(WT-shared) Burmesedays 23:25, 9 May 2010 (EDT)


 * In my experience, yes, there does seem to be an upload limit, and it's not at all clear when you've hit it. Make the SVG as small as you can.  =)  (WT-shared) LtPowers 12:58, 10 May 2010 (EDT)


 * I guess that limit must be set somewhere? Would be good to know what it is and why it is needed. This is a very intensive SVG and it would be shame to lose any of the layers.--(WT-shared) Burmesedays 12:32, 11 May 2010 (EDT)


 * &rarr; WtTech:Increase filesize limit. --(WT-shared) Peter Talk 20:30, 11 May 2010 (EDT)

How to Make Wikivoyage Shared Usable
Shared is currently (has always been?) a major hassle to navigate. Is there any way to make the Search Engine automatically give categories as results? If you wanted to go to a city or country page, you currently have to click from continental level on the Main Page and work your way down, type Category:City, or check the category box in the search engine. I would suggest manual redirects, but there are so many strange non-city, identical-city, etc. listings that need to be sorted and deleted... 72.92.209.227 04:36, 9 June 2010 (EDT)


 * Yeah, it's a huge mess... In hindsight, I do think auto-creating categories for which we had no files was a pretty significant mistake. If we ever get serious about cleaning things up, I think we should start deleting empty bottom-level categories. That would be a start. If others think this reasonable, I'll make a point of doing that as I come across them.


 * At least, there is an answer to your first question—you can adjust your search preferences in special:preferences. --(WT-shared) Peter Talk 22:46, 9 June 2010 (EDT)


 * I have also had my doubts about the LOCODBOT edits... so, I have begun to clean up what I know best, i e Sweden. We had some interesting listings for major industries listed as "cities" next to a place in the middle of nowhere with the same classification... ha ha! (WT-shared) Riggwelter 13:31, 5 October 2010 (EDT)

Indonesian
As of May 9, there are 3 names on the Indonesian Wikivoyage Expedition. Of course, I don't know if any of them are still active, but do we contact them? (WT-shared) ChubbyWimbus 21:08, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

Error creating thumbnail: Invalid thumbnail parameters
Hi all, does anyone know what this message means, how is it caused and what I can do about it? I uploaded a new version of a map and got this. Cheers, (WT-shared) Pbsouthwood 14:51, 11 July 2010 (EDT)


 * I also have this problem now with Image:Ayutthaya-map.png and Image:Map-ayutthaya.png. What to do? --(WT-shared) Globe-trotter 15:57, 22 July 2010 (EDT)


 * &rarr; WtTech:Error creating thumbnail, Invalid thumbnail parameters --(WT-shared) Peter Talk 12:43, 23 July 2010 (EDT)

Page edit not showing up
I recently made a change to the Boston page on English Wikivoyage, but it's not showing up on the main page. However, the history information for the page shows that my edit is indeed the most recent one, and I can see the edit in the Recent changes list. The URL for my edit (which shows the changes) is http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Boston&oldid=1499555. Can anyone explain what's going on? (WT-shared) Jimby 12:03, 16 July 2010 (EDT)


 * This is a known problem. Our pages are copied over several servers to speedup your viewing. If edited on one server, you can be connected to an different server when viewing after saving your edit. If you want to see your chances, you will have to press the edit button again and below the edit window there are some tools. There you will find "Purge Cache for this page.¨. Click on the blue text and your edids shout show up. --(WT-shared) Rein N. 02:13, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

License reviewing
I would very much appreciate some assistance from other admins in reviewing uploads and marking the license as reviewed for images that come from online archives like Commons and Flickr. With the volume of uploads from valuable contributors like Tiagox2, it's a very time-consuming process for one person. I'd let it go, but I find about one in every 10 uploads or so, even from long-time contributors, have an error somewhere in the licensing. (WT-shared) LtPowers 15:20, 26 July 2010 (EDT)

Query on public domain-indirect authority from source
On the sensible suggestion of another editor I seek some opinions on the suitability of my actions and procedure in uploading an image 'on behalf' of the source.
 * Authority was sought and given by way of email exchange between myself and the source.
 * The article may benefit from the (navigational) map image concerned and the article is of benefit to the (source) contributor as they operate a commercial enterprise covered within the scope of the article (a boatjng marina and mooring basin.
 * My concern is the assigning of the image to 'public domain' by other than the primary copyright holder. Since the uploading and the incorporation of the image into the article the source has not objected or raised any issues.
 * Following the earlier emailed consent from the source, the uploading of the image and the incorporation into the WT Tanjung article I prompted them again by email seeking any objection or comment upon the assignment of public domain. They have not replied further so I assume their previously provided consent remains without issue. I have provided an abbreviated email history of the consent process on the image's talk page Image:Sea-Chart, Medana Bay-Tanjung, Lombok Indonesia. I would appreciate any advice or comments on this from those with more understandjng of the issues concerned.  Thanks and my appreciation to LtPowers for assisting me with concerns in regard to this matter. (WT-shared) Felix505 22:58, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

How to change the title of my aritcle?
I posted my first article and the default title 'Tips for new contributors' is showing as my title.


 * Normally one shout move it, using the move button above. But I sorry to tell you, that Wikivoyage Shared is not for text pages. We store pictures here, --(WT-shared) Rein N. 03:06, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

What am I doing wrong?
Ok. I'm sure this isn't the right place to ask, but I have scoured the website searching and can't work out what I'm doing wrong.

I wanted to move a listing from SEE to DO section because its more appropriate. I deleted it from SEE no problem. I go to DO. I click on add listing and enter the info. Then I get this message.

DO

Error adding 'do' listing in Kota_Kinabalu: Invalid tag name dismiss

Lok Kawi....

What's my tag name? What might I be using that's invalid? I've already deleted it from another section, so it's not a duplication. I'm sure this is really, really simple but I can't work it out.

Thanks 175.137.187.153 05:26, 16 August 2010 (EDT)hazbean

- I've just realised I'm in the wrong Pub too. However, yours has a nifty little "bottom of the page" link to open a new question window and the Wikivoyage Pub shows bold not a link and I can't work out how to ask them. 175.137.187.153 05:46, 16 August 2010 (EDT)hazbean


 * Hi, Hazbean. You seem to have uncovered a bug.  Fortunately, you're in the right place to file a bug; here at Shared is where we keep track of bugs like that.  If you don't mind, please go to Category:Tech requests and follow the directions there.  Be sure to specify en:Kota Kinabalu as the page you're trying to edit, and note that "[add listing]" doesn't seem to work for any of the sections on the page.  (WT-shared) LtPowers 14:44, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
 * As for the listing, you'll want to move the listing manually since the listing editor seems broken on that page; just edit the article (use the "edit" tab at the top, and cut+paste from the See section to the Do section.
 * Thanks! -- (WT-shared) LtPowers 14:44, 16 August 2010 (EDT)

Permission recording
Do we have a standard way to record permission granted via e-mail? User:(WT-shared) Gabrielcs has uploaded four images that are "All Rights Reserved" on Flickr but says he/she asked for and received permission from the photographers to upload them. How do we verify and record that? (WT-shared) LtPowers 09:25, 18 August 2010 (EDT)

Runaway spam on ar:
Don't know when the last legitimate edit was if any, but far back as I can see, it's just spambot edits to two pages. Anyone have the know-how and the shiny buttons to go in there and protect those pages? (WT-shared) Texugo 12:03, 29 August 2010 (EDT)


 * I have neither the know-how nor shiny buttons, but I tried enabling the spam filter and had no luck. If an admin does come along please delete the test page I created. -- (WT-shared) Ryan 00:58, 22 September 2010 (EDT)


 * I sent an email to IB in the hopes of getting something done about this - it looks like there may be well over ten thousand spam revisions on ar: at this point, making for a highly unusable site. Implementing a spam filter or giving someone access to protect the pages in question would be a quick & easy way to resolve the issue, so hopefully IB can do that. -- (WT-shared) Ryan 11:16, 19 October 2010 (EDT)

ANNOUNCEMENT!
This is to inform you that we will be conducting server maintenance Wikivoyage next Tuesday September 14 between 10:00 PM and 3:00 AM PST. The entire site may be down during this time period.

We apologize for any inconvenience, and appreciate your understanding. (WT-shared) IBsteph 6:06 PM, 9 September 2010 (PST)


 * You know, Steph, you'd have a lot more credibility around here if you learned how to sign in, and if you learned to put new threads at the bottom. (WT-shared) LtPowers 18:57, 10 September 2010 (EDT)

What To Do With a Eraser on Wikivoyage
I'm kinda new to these forums, but have put my Vacation rental listing back on WT, for the 3rd time. There is a user that keeps on Erasing my web listing. How should I deal with it..I have the persons name..I have been monitoring the page for several weeks now, and They did it again..Kind of surprised cause my listing has been here for a long time, and now her business is open, and is near mine on my block...What can I do? I own 2 business, a Hair Salon and a Vacation Rental here in Puerto Rico, listed here: http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Rinc%C3%B3n Please help..Im at my wits END.. my web site is url="http://www.prVacationRental.com" and my email is "mailto:prVacationRental@aol.com"  or "mailto:RinconRentals@gmail.com", please if you can help send me a email..thanks.. The one I highlighted is the one..Carmen is my neighbor..and prVacationRental is me, redoing here eraser non-sense..

This was written at the bottom of the page:

This page was last edited at 20:02, on 4 October 2010 by Anonymous user(s) of Wikivoyage. Based on work by Ryan Holliday, Peter Fitzgerald, Carmen E Gonzalez, Albert Lingelbach and Marc Heiden, Wikivoyage user(s) Roundtheworld, Ccrincon, Vidimian, LtPowers, Sandy Beach, Burmesedays, Tatatabot and Prvacationrental, Anonymous user(s) of Wikivoyage and others.


 * Hi, the proper place for this discussion is en:Talk:Rincón. You should also be sure to read en:Project:Don't tout and en:Project:Welcome, business owners.  Thanks!  (WT-shared) LtPowers 17:46, 4 October 2010 (EDT)

Thanks for the quick response...I will try over there..Thank you..While I have you on line..has this happened to you?

.SVG-format
Hi everybody, recently I uploaded a map of France in svg-format and tried to use it. To my disappointment Wikivoyage doesn't support this format and I had to make a .png to be able to use my map. In my opinion being able to use svg-files is a great addition. Why doesn't Wikivoyage support it? K.r. (WT-shared) Snabel 09:43, 19 October 2010 (EDT)


 * Our maps are intended to be translated into multiple languages all on the same svg, using multiple layers.... then we export each language into a different png.... that would be one reason.... perhaps there are others? – (WT-shared) cacahuate  talk 12:41, 20 October 2010 (EDT)

Search down?
Searches in English don't seem to be working, and haven't been for nearly a week. Curiously, other languages seem fine. Anybody know why, or when it might be fixed? 99.232.252.124 23:04, 16 November 2010 (EST)

Copy paste from Wikipedia
This might have been covered elsewhere... but, is it OK for a contributor to copy information from Wikipedia and paste it into Wikivoyage articles, say for the "Understand" part of a guide? If it is OK - how do we deal with the requirement in CC-BY-SA that the contributors on Wikipedia must be attributed? (WT-shared) Riggwelter 03:30, 18 November 2010 (EST)
 * English Wikivoyage has a en:Template:Wikipedia that by consensus goes on the talk page. (WT-shared) LtPowers 15:17, 20 November 2010 (EST)
 * Excellent, that was what I was looking for. So, I copied it but cannot get the wikipedia: link correct. It's either my limited hacking skills or a wiki markup fix not implemented on sv:. The problem is clearly visible here. (WT-shared) Riggwelter 15:01, 23 November 2010 (EST)
 * The templates won't work unless they're in the Template: (or, in your case, Mall:) namespace. sv:Mall:Wikipedia should do the trick.  -- (WT-shared) D. Guillaime 15:14, 23 November 2010 (EST)

Great, thanks! Should we formulate some sort of guideline on Shared: for the re-usage of Wikipedia content and the usage of the template? (WT-shared) Riggwelter 07:12, 4 December 2010 (EST)
 * I started a guideline (WT-shared) here. Feel free to contribute. (WT-shared) Riggwelter 06:29, 12 December 2010 (EST)