Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/March 2024

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Template pages already deleted. Doc pages should be deleted also. WOSlinker (talk) 13:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ – speedied them all. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 20:45, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Athens/South Suburbs
Contentless, and an irregularly unilateral districting. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens#Athens_metropolitan_area
 * Southern Suburbs Hmeil.me (talk) 04:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


 * This isn't Wikipedia. What you are really doing is trying to unilaterally subdivide Attica. There is no reason to do so at present, and note that blank articles are useless. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:40, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You have no idea what you are talking about. You confuse the municipality of Athens with Athens city part of which are 55 municipalities also known as suburbs. One such municipality is the so called port of Athens (city) which is called Piraeus. Hmeil.me (talk) 04:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * As for Attica. Attica (Attiki) is an administrative region, where Athens and its suburbs are located. Here you confuse the historical region with the contemporary Attica Prefecture. Hellas aka Greece has 13 administrative prefectures. Hmeil.me (talk) 04:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You don't understand Wikivoyage. Read The traveller comes first, taking special note of the following: "Regions, price classifications, etc., are based on the convenience and expectations of travellers, not bureaucratic fiat (administrative districts, formal star ratings and so on)." Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * In short, we don't care about official divisions, except when they're convenient for travelers. This isn't Wikipedia. Only articles that can have sufficient content should stand on their own on this site. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I cited wikipedia to show you how Athens is divided in suburbs. Since your aim to aid travelers in Athens, how would you suggest to classify the east, west, south and north suburbs? In el.wikivoyage.org we have classified them that way. Hmeil.me (talk) 05:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Athens has 55 municipalities (suburbs).
 * Classify them and teach us how to create our pages in you en.wikivoyage.org
 * OK? Hmeil.me (talk) 05:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * As I said, read What is an article, and make a proposal stating at least roughly how many listings each of the articles you propose to create will have. Not every town gets an article on Wikivoyage. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Speedy redirect to Athens as an unilateral districtification (I say redirect and not delete as we don't have to wait 14 days but would equally prefer delete over redirect). -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If we redirect, wouldn't it be to Attica, not Athens? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:45, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I stand corrected. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 11:23, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Part of my problem with this term is that if we decided to divide Athens into districts, the central city would have to include at least one of them, but we have no other district articles for the city, so a term with a slash in it is not a natural one to look for. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The problem is very similar to the problem of Kolkata, where I couldn't understand whether I should include all suburbs of Kolkata or not, since not all suburbs are considered parts of the city. For example, suburbs like Dakshineswar, Dum Dum, Salt Lake and New Town are very often considered parts of Kolkata, while others like Howrah and Chandannagar are not, despite being parts of the Kolkata metropolitan area. My solution to the problem is to include only the adjacent suburbs except Howrah, which agrees with the local usage and the TTCF pretty well. By the way, "Southern Suburbs" would be grammatically more appropriate than "South Suburbs". Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Outcome: 14 days – consensus to delete or redirect? -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 20:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)


 * No consensus to delete, so let's redirect to Attica. Ikan Kekek (talk) —The preceding comment was added by Ikan Kekek (talk • contribs) 04:49, March 21, 2024


 * Redirected accordingly. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Votes for deletion thread
Hi, everyone. Please participate in the Votes for deletion thread and the related deletion thread below it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:49, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Moschato, Argyroupoli, Ilioupoli, Agios Dimitrios, Alimos, Varkiza, Kallithea, Elliniko, Glyfada, Dodoni

 * Related contentless city articles to delete unless substantial content is added within 2 weeks. All of them have the identical text of "City name is in Region name." Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:47, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


 * User:Hmeil.me, your comments about these bare-outline articles are solicited, too. How many listings do you plan to insert in each article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh hi Boss! By myself or by other volunteers? I thought this site is for collaborative work. So I prepared skeletons. Hmeil.me (talk) 05:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * So you want https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Palaio_Faliro to be a part of Attica not a suburb of Athens? That is to say postal code 17561 Athens, to be part of the Prefecture of Attica only (Attiki we call it in Greek) and not the region of Athens? Hmeil.me (talk) 05:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You expect some other unspecified people to add content? That's not the way it works. If you start an article, you have to provide at least enough content to fulfill What is an article. Don't expect anyone else to know about these suburbs. And reread my points about where and how you should make proposals for new regional divisions on this site. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You said: Don't expect anyone else to know about these suburbs.
 * Why do travelers use wikivoyage.org? because they know?
 * Sure, whatever you say! No one else know about "these suburbs"...55 municipalities (suburbs) to be more precise.
 * Example: State New York. City New York. How many suburbs in NY? Hmeil.me (talk) 06:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You are free to suggest how to subdivide any region or city on the relevant talk pages. The subdivitions should be better for the traveller than the current scheme – official borders may be useful in many cases, but they are not by definition. We tend to subdivide things only where there is enough content for the subarticles to be useful. Creating outlines for others to fill in content in is not the Wikivoyage way. However, I assume these are actual suburbs, so they should be redirected to the right article instead of deleted. –LPfi (talk) 10:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't they be redirected only if we cover these towns in the article where they're redirected? Since no information was given in these articles, I thought the least frustrating thing for readers would be to simply delete them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree. if I search on Mordor, it will just be confusing to be redirected to a Middle Earth article that doesn't mention Mordor at all. It is better to get no search result than make the reader have to read an article that gives them nothing about what they are looking for. Ground Zero (talk) 18:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The question of what to do about nearly-empty skeleton articles has been extensively discussed before; see Wikivoyage_talk:Deletion_policy/Archive_2014-2019 and the following sections. My view (a minority position) in that discussion was that before deleting an admin should do a little research. Quoting myself:
 * However, policy has always been that real places should be redirected rather than deleted so I do not want to delete without checking if the place is real. I'll copy the name into a Google search box or check on WP. Three outcomes are possible:
 * Not found; it is fictitious or too tiny to have a web presence. OK, delete it.
 * WP shows it as a decent-sized town, potentially an article here. Add a WP link and geo data if they aren't already there, then leave it.
 * Speck on the map. Redirect to region or nearby town.
 * That is, I'd keep or redirect most of the places under discussion.
 * In the cases under discussion here, I think it is reasonable to ask the creator to at least add "a WP link and geo data" or see Cooperating with Wikidata for a newer way to do that. Also add an "isPartOf" tag; see Breadcrumb navigation. Without those, the article is merely an annoyance; a user who finds it get no useful info, so it is better to delete it. With them, there's at least a map, a link to the containing region, & a link to WP for more info; at that point, keeping it in hopes others may improve it becomes plausible. Pashley (talk) 09:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Pashley, if you'd like to do some research and try to rescue these articles, please feel free! If enough content is added, we can keep these articles and subordinate them all to Attica, pending a possible discussion of subdividing Attica into subregions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Nope. I am not volunteering to do that work. I do not know the region & am not very interested; I've only ever spent a few weeks in Greece & that was decades ago, & nearly all in the islands plus a few days in downtown Athens. What I am saying is that the contributor who created these articles should do at least that much. If not they should be deleted or redirected. Pashley (talk) 00:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait for 7 days – by then, if there is enough content, keep, otherwise delete. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:42, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Given it has almost been 7 days, I am now !voting delete. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 05:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree Grahamsands (talk) 15:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless useful travel information appears in the next 7 days. Only Dodoni has any information at the moment, and even that is not enough (why doesn't it have a listing for the Ancient Greek theatre?). —The preceding comment was added by AlasdairW (talk • contribs)
 * Side note: Hmeil.me mentioned Palaio Faliro in this thread, but that article is not nominated for deletion, and what region is in the "IsPartOf" codes at the end of that article is part of the discussion of regional structure for Attica that should take place if a proposal is made on Talk:Attica, not in this thread. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:48, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok! Hmeil.me (talk) 11:13, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Even as a Greek, I really don’t think that all the suburbs of Athens require their own independent article. I wouldn’t mind articles about more generalised areas, though (because, as in everywhere, not all places are the same). Handmeanotherbagofthemchips (talk) 03:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I am expecting the admins of the GR section to make this suggestion. Hmeil.me (talk) 11:14, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * As a side note, admins aren't allocated to certain "sections"; nor are non-admins. I also don't believe we have any long-standing users from Greece. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 11:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I attended a zoom seminar last year and the instructors explained the tactic I followed to which you oppose. But I don't really mind, and do not wish to argue anymore on that issue. Feel free to mark the templates of the greek section, for deletion as well. Hmeil.me (talk) 12:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Question: is the page for the village of Dodoni more helpful to visitors now? https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Dodoni
 * I may put places to stay (hotels), but most travelers would visit the place from Ioannina by car for a day, and they could take a walk through the village to eat, so there's no reason really. Hmeil.me (talk) 12:04, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If travellers would visit Dodoni on a day-trip more than staying there, do mention it! -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 12:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * about this read the WIAA policy. Ibaman (talk) 12:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The Dodoni article has content now, so it will not be deleted, although if people stay in Ioannina to take day trips there, it might be better to merge and redirect the information to Ioannina. That's not a deletion nomination, though, and is best discussed on Talk:Dodoni at some point (no rush). I will remove the Votes for deletion tags from that article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment: There is a consensus to delete, but I am still recovering from a hand/arm injury, and though I'm doing better, I'd like to ask for someone's help in deleting the articles and archiving the thread. Thank you! Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:43, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * sure, I'll delete all of them but Dodoni. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 07:57, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅. Closing as deleted. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 08:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

National Park Sallandse Heuvelrug
Only a couple of sentences. Seems like all actual content can go in a parent article. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, unless someone chooses to turn it into an actual article. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 04:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC) [edit 21:54, 28 March 2024 (UTC): thank you Ground Zero and Wauteurz for saving the article!]
 * Yes. They have 2 weeks to start work. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * They started this article on March 4, which is almost a month ago. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Two weeks from nomination. There is no guideline saying that you need to get an article pass some threshold in two weeks from creation. The only rule touching on that is the one on page creation vandalism, which isn't about individual articles like this. –LPfi (talk) 10:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah, 2 weeks to save it, but my point was that given they've abandoned this for a month, it's unlikely they will return (still can be saved by someone else, though). -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 10:06, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I've saved the article with text from German Wikivoyage and from Wikipedia. The nomination can be closed. Ground Zero (talk) 12:39, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. After the additions I support Speedy keep. –LPfi (talk) 16:46, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Though it definitely is an improvement, sections of the German article are a decade out of date. I've just fixed the worst offender, the Get in section, and have added the article to my to-do list. I will see what I can mend when I have the time to commit to larger projects on Wikivoyage again, hopefully this summer. ― Wauteurz (talk) 18:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn As this is much better now. Thanks. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Billionaires' Social Calendar
This article was nominated for deletion in Votes for deletion/January 2023, but did not achieve consensus to delete. One of the reasons given was that it has been created in November 2022, and should be given a year to be developed. A year has passed, and it remains a random and arbitrary list of events, seemingly based on a single YouTube video. It is not an organized itinerary, or really a thing. It's just a made-up phrase used by a YouTuber. Ground Zero (talk) 12:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as nominator. Ground Zero (talk) 12:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. I think this could've been a valid travel topic, but as it is, it's just a list of events without description. That said, I've never seen these locations assembled and addressed as a topic before. I don't remember taking part in the previous discussion, but I think I would've voted to delete then, as well. I certainly agree now that it should be deleted. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 12:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and my observation from last year that this was a personal itinerary. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per last year. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 18:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. A poor idea for an article with almost no useful content. It doesn't have useful information about the events. I looked at the three January events and the linked city articles, and there was not even the beginning of information about the event. I was expecting both details of the event and some profile information on the type of billionaire likely to attend that event. I am not convinced that the authors have attended any of these events and done any billionaire spotting, otherwise there would be specific tips for some of the events. AlasdairW (talk) 23:04, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Hodge-podge of random well known, notoriously expensive stuff. I dont think that compilating them into one page is very helpfull. Handmeanotherbagofthemchips (talk) 05:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Sgroey (talk) 23:11, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Outcome: deleted. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 06:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)