Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/April 2024

Unused media
Putting these together, but please separate if you think these deserve different discussions:
 * File:Karachi guide book banner.png (plain text as a PNG rather than SVG or just text and CSS)
 * File:Bo Kaap2.JPG (unused media that cannot be ported to c:)
 * File:Astana.jpg (unused media that cannot be ported to c:)

—Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The first one is labelled "temporary" by its creator, Saqib, who probably should have been pinged.
 * The two others cannot, according to their description, be uploaded to Commons because of Freedom of Panorama issues (images of non-free architecture). Our policy doesn't allow storing such images unless they are in use. Are these essential for some article?
 * For Bo Kaap, there is a process on changing the South African copyright law, which may make it legal. If I understand correctly, it is waiting for a presidential signature, but at the last round it was sent back to Parliament, so nothing is certain yet. Anyway, we might want to wait a few months and check for developments before deleting (it could then be moved to Commons). One could also argue for de minimis, threshold of originality or something, depending on the role of the architect(s) and legal tradition.
 * –LPfi (talk) 10:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Outcome: no consensus; kept. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 08:07, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Uploaded to Commons, speedy denied
Listed here as it has somewhat distinct circumstances. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * File:Portland DOTM Banner 1.jpg, also unused.
 * File:My House FTT Banner.jpg, also unused.
 * File:Your House banner The Lighthouse on Queens Wharf Auckland.JPG, also unused.
 * File:YourHouseBanner3.jpg, also unused.
 * Keep as DOTM banners are hosted locally. This is a rare circumstance where it is appropriate to upload such a file locally. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Do we have some reason to think these media which are derived from photos on c: will be deleted there? And then that these files which are currently unused will also somehow be needed here after deletion? And that we can't just use the undelete request at c: and get a local copy if somehow needed? Deleting redundant files at c: is one of the speedy deletion criteria and it seems that would doubly apply for unused media. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No, but that would require a change in DOTM practice since banners are almost always uploaded locally. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Our policy exists because banners for past DotMs were repeatedly deleted without notice, leaving them blank in our archives. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * What policy and like I wrote above would the undeletion policy not work for some reason? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:46, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Image policy. The undeletion procedure is a nuisance: the deletion itself may pass without notice and the image is then missing until somebody brings it up in the Pub or gets in touch with an admin at Commons, who may need some convincing before they undelete the image, and then you need to do the download and upload and adjust descriptions.
 * The Commons' policies should not allow the deletion in the first place, unless there are copyright problems, and even then we should be notified, but mistakes happen, seemingly too often. The Commons admins have a severe backlog.
 * Of course, undeleting them here is easier, if they are uploaded here in the first place.
 * –LPfi (talk) 20:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but these are unused media. Has this been a problem where something that wasn't even used here got deleted on c: and it couldn't be undeleted and uploaded locally? I just don't even see the point. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:10, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If something that is unused gets deleted, it will probably never be found for an undeletion request. So if we want them undeleted at some point, then they should never get deleted. That they are unused is odd. Perhaps SelfieCity knows why they aren't in the archives. But even if the page versions where they were used got archived to /dev/null, it is nice to have them show in versions in the page history. Perhaps that's not important enough though, that we cannot trust Commons to keep them. –LPfi (talk) 20:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Is the first a duplicate of File:PortlandBanner1.jpg? All of them early versions? –LPfi (talk) 20:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I've done some digging through the old DOTM nominations, and I can see what happened. In 2020, Portland was nominated for DOTM and AndreCarrotflower created banners, but the nomination was postponed to 2021. I forgot that banners had been created in 2020, so I created several banners of my own for consideration. However, Andre and I both cropped File:Portland panorama3.jpg. Since the crops were almost identical, I did not post my file to the banner votes page. For reference, please see Destination of the month candidates/Banners/Archive/2021.
 * As for the Portland banner I uploaded, I would vote delete. Functionally it's a duplicate banner that was never used anywhere. I would keep the other three banners. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 17:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. The three house banners are referenced from discussions on Wikivoyage talk:Joke articles/Your house. I don't think we should consider them completely unused just because the page links to the images rather than displaying them. YourHouseBanner3 was used on the main page on 1 April 2020. AlasdairW (talk) 23:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * So it seems one should remember to check also Special:WhatLinksHere for any page or file to be nominated. –LPfi (talk) 10:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Normal main page banners are displayed on Destination of the month candidates/Banners/Archive, but 1 April discussions often happen in the pub at the last minute. I looked at WhatLinksHere because I was surprised that a banner that I created was unused, and it has prompted me to upload the original image to Commons. AlasdairW (talk) 10:50, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Outcome: consensus is to keep. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 08:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Blue zones
This article is mostly the work of a block evading user (blocked by as a LibMod sockpuppet). While I can't see its usefulness, if it does have a place, it would be better to nuke it and start from scratch per WV:DENY. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 08:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That's a pity, but I support your nomination under the circumstances, and I actually don't think it should be open to question, as this is the same thing we've done with every other article created by block-evading sockpuppets of the user in question. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * American Indian Cuisine has to be deleted, on the same basis. But these articles should simply be summarily deleted without Vfd threads. User:SHB2000, why are we giving the supporters of violating existing policy on articles this individual creates as a sockpuppet the opportunity to mire this site once again in unnecessary and painful debate about individual articles, when these issues have been settled? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:58, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I want it to be speedily deleted, but we are not 100% sure if the user in question is a sockpuppet of LibMod (we think they are, but can't do a CU check and will need to analyse their edits further). -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 10:02, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Historically, we have operated on "duck tests", not checkusers, which people have stated are not very reliable. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, true; I deleted both of them on that basis (and if it turns out to not be the case, we can always undelete them). -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 10:12, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, I am leaving this thread open for another day or two if anyone wants to bring up their other edits without opening a new discussion as that may give LibMod more attention. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 07:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * What about the contributions to the articles by Brycehughes and Pashley? Pashley can copy what they wrote to some suitable article if they want to, but Brycehughes cannot access theirs (and I didn't analyse them). Something worth saving? –LPfi (talk) 08:01, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That's true. Maybe would it be best to undelete the article, remove the content added by Christian Traveler, then move the remaining content to one of their userpages? -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 08:10, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Our practice has been to delete articles started by sockpuppets of banned users. My suggestion would be to undelete the article only long enough to send users copies of any text they added and then immediately re-delete the article, so that it could be started again by anyone other than the banned user. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I did not contribute to Blue zones & what I added in American Indian cuisine is likely not worth the trouble of preserving. Pashley (talk) 08:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't have started the article, but the content is something like 98% mine. I wouldn't delete the article, but I won't lose any sleep if it's deleted. Brycehughes (talk) 13:35, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * as an FYI, the Christian Traveler is now globally locked (see m:Special:Redirect/logid/55829281). -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 06:41, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I have started Pashley/Indigenous cuisine of the Americas, am not sure if I'll ever get it into a condition suitable for main space. Contributions welcome. Pashley (talk) 08:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * (btw, I fixed the namespace – it's now at User:Pashley/Indigenous cuisine of the Americas – dw, tho: I've done this accidentally a couple of times too -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC))
 * Also, to be clear, I support Pashley's approach of restarting anew as this topic definitely has its potential. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I've moved it to main space at Indigenous cuisine of the Americas. I think I've made a decent start, but it definitely needs more contributions. Pashley (talk) 11:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This is an excellent start, but I don't agree with having one article for the indigenous cuisine of the entirety of the Americas. I believe this article should be split into Native American cuisine, Mesoamerican cuisine, Indigenous Caribbean cuisine, etc. There hare significant differences between these cuisines. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 12:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I'd be in favour of splitting it if there were enough text for several decent articles; details to be discussed when we reach that point. Right now, though, we don't have enough for even one really good article. Pashley (talk) 13:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Outcome: deleted. Pashley (talk) 07:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

American Indian Cuisine
Also deleted per discussion above, since it was created by the same sock puppet of a banned user, Replaced with Indigenous cuisine of the Americas. Pashley (talk) 07:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)