Wikivoyage:User rights nominations/Archives/2005

User:(WT-en) Wrh2
Not only has made tremendous contributions but also cleans up after spammers a lot and could really benefit from a revert button.
 * Support. Has done and continues to do amazing work. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:45, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Support. -- (WT-en) Colin 11:28, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Has been on the site since... February? Is that right? I'd like to hear a little more about him. Ryan, do you understand what this job entails? Are you familiar with our goals, policies and guidelines, and manual of style? What about the deletion and protection policy, and our general "hands off" administrative approach? --(WT-en) Evan 12:04, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Ah, the "revert spam" button... if I can help out a bit more around here I'd be glad to do it, although I do tend to disappear for a month or two occasionally (traveling or working) -- if that's an issue then I'm probably not a good candidate. As to (WT-en) Evan's concerns, from what I've seen each admin sort of defines his/her own role.  (WT-en) Cjensen enforces the external link policy with a thoroughness that borders on scariness, (WT-en) Jpatokal logs in nightly to edit at least fifty articles & engage in discussion of all open issues while ensuring that the DOM is updated at exacly midnight GMT on the first of each month, and the rest of you guys make sure to welcome new users and refine the policies so that they fit what is needed to keep things humming along smoothly ;)  And yes, I've read the MOS and each of the indexed policies, and have engaged in several policy discussions.  I can't claim to know all them intimately (for a while I assumed the real spelling policy was just to write an article and wait for (WT-en) Nzpcmad to fix things) but I think if I could claim that it would be time to get away from the computer and get out more ;) -- (WT-en) Wrh2 00:08, 14 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Ah, but I think that's the thing Evan was getting at. All of the things you mention are normal user functions.  Admins have access to a couple of other things, like deletion, the quick revert, and blocking a user or a page.  We take things like blocking users very seriously, and in fact we don't do it except as an absolutely last recourse (I've never seen a case bad enough).  Also there's only one page which is locked: the license.  We are strongly resistant to locking pages.  Another thing to note is that admins are not required to agree with the Mos, those are just guidelines and are always up for discussion; but we do ask that you read and agree with the Project:Goals and non-goals. This is the stuff we'd like for you to understand before you get the admin bit flipped. -- (WT-en) Mark 00:25, 14 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * I probably should have addressed each of Evan's points specifically, but yes, I understand that admins have several buttons that "they should really never use". The idea that blocking an IP is a failure of the Wiki is something I get, and that protecting a page is something that should be done only in the face of something like an edit war or an automated attack.  Evan's satire of handling problem users is a favorite bookmark of mine.  In terms of goals, one of the reasons that I contribute here is because I would like to see a "a free, complete, up-to-date and reliable world-wide travel guide." That said, if people aren't comfortable then by all means don't make me an admin -- I'm happy to help out, I very much appreciate that Jpatokal nominated me, but I'm also happy to continue on without the extra buttons in my toolbar. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 00:45, 14 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Support. Great answers, thanks for responding. --(WT-en) Evan 08:32, 14 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Oppose. Doesn't seem to understand the importance of consensus in decision-making. Sorry, doesn't work for me. --(WT-en) Evan 11:48, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Say what? What exactly are you referring to? (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:02, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Project:Big city article template. Lots of chatter about the majority. --(WT-en) Evan 12:30, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * In that case I'd rather decline the admin nomination. While I very much disagree with Evan's opinion here, I'm really uncomfortable with the idea of being in any way a controversial choice. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 14:22, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * 1. Thank you for your input; Unfortunately, the seven-day period for discussion is already closed. As the person responsible for flipping admin bits, it is particularly incumbent on you not to utilize (unwittingly or not) your own procrastination as a means of putting an admin into some sort of parole period.   (We lack a clear policy for stuff like what to do when a user has not indicated a willingness to serve;  we lack a clear policy for stuff like what and when to do a renomination of a failed nomination; but we do have a clear policy regarding when the nomination has been passed).
 * 2. Additionally, I can't help but be stunned that you would consider Ryan's thoughts about current policy as a criterion for adminship.  That only people here who wholly support current policy are the two founders who setup both initial policy and rules whereby anyone (themselves included) could raise an objection to a policy change and that solitary objection is, by rule, sufficient to bar the change.  The only valid question here is will Ryan implement existing policy even when he disagrees with it.
 * 3. The admin bit is a broom, not a sword.  Is there really some question in your mind regarding whether or not Ryan will try to change policy through admin bit powers?  To flip-flop on an issue like this ought only occur in the presence of some severe concerns, not mere worries that could be cleared up by asking an additional question or two.
 * 4. Lastly I would like to note that my web browser can only find uses of the term "majority" in reference to people written by Evan and Colin Angus in the aforementioned article, not Ryan. Ryan did refer to popularity, but it appeared to me to be a "trying to  gather a consensus" kind of use, not a "thou shalt abide by the popular idea."   He also expressed his own willingness to subsume one of his own preferences in favor of one popular idea, which demonstrates to me that he clearly was not using the term as a hammer to use against other people, but rather as a way to clarify something that is somewhat popular and seeing if folks (including himself) could compromise to the currently popular opinion.   It looks like consensus building to me.  -- (WT-en) Colin 17:04, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Hear ye, hear ye. I agree fully with everything Colin said. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:25, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Colin: I agree with you that the objection period is passed, and I've dropped my opposition (neither support nor oppose). I've flipped Ryan's admin bit. Welcome to the team, Ryan. --(WT-en) Evan 11:37, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Yes! Support.  I'm very satisfied with these responses. -- (WT-en) Mark 14:49, 14 Jun 2005 (EDT)

User:(WT-en) Paul Richter
Has also been a longtime contributor who cleans up vandalism.
 * Support, also as an admin on the upcoming Japanese Wikivoyage. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:45, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Support. -- (WT-en) Colin 11:28, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Support. Paul's been a longtime contributor and I feel pretty confident that he's aware of how we operate. --(WT-en) Evan 12:04, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Support -- (WT-en) Mark 13:06, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Willing. Thanks! -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 22:25, 14 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Done. Welcome, Paul. --(WT-en) Evan 11:37, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

(WT-en) Huttite's second nomination
has been a longtime contributor who does a lot of the janitorial work around here. He was nominated before but at that time he was new and he wasn't sure of wikivoyage culture and there were some concerns. Now that we all have much more experience with Huttitie's work, all remaining uncertainty has been clarified. Also, he recently complained that VFDs were not being swept, so this could fix that. :-)
 * Support. -- (WT-en) Colin 11:28, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Support, but... could we hold off on doing admin re-nominations until we've checked with the nominee that they're ready to take on the job? --(WT-en) Evan 12:04, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Support, if (WT-en) Huttite decides that he wants the responsibility that is. -- (WT-en) Mark 13:06, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Yes, I am willing to take on the responsibility as an administrator. I have given this careful consideration, hence the delay in responding. -- (WT-en) Huttite 02:03, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * Done (finally!). Welcome, Huttite. --(WT-en) Evan 11:37, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

User:(WT-en) Pjamescowie
Paul has been a contributor to Wikivoyage almost since the beginning. He's done tons of work on our coverage of the Middle East, and has greatly expanded our range w/r/t archaeological sites. He's participated in a number of policy discussions, and is also helpful and civil with new users. I think he'd be an excellent administrator. He's expressed his willingness to take the job on his talk page, but maybe he'd like to say a few words here, too. --(WT-en) Evan 20:11, 1 Jul 2005 (EDT)
 * Supported - In fact I was surprised to discover (WT-en) Paul James Cowie was not an administrator already! I always enjoy reading his articles and know I do not need to improve them, because I can't. -- (WT-en) Huttite 04:01, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)
 * Support - pretty much what (WT-en) Huttite said... We need for Paul to be an admin. -- (WT-en) Mark 04:10, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)
 * By the way, I'd like to add special KUDOs to my support for PJC because of his really great approch to discussion with other wikivoyagers both experienced and not. We really should take him as a role model for his great civility and respect. -- (WT-en) Mark 11:47, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)
 * Support - also surprised to learn that he wasn't an admin already. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 05:57, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)
 * Support. Me too. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:23, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)
 * Support --(WT-en) elgaard 09:25, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)
 * Support -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 21:06, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)
 * Support -(WT-en) phma 09:08, 5 Jul 2005 (EDT)
 * Support --(WT-en) Quirk 10:34, 5 Jul 2005 (EDT)
 * Excellent! It is done. Welcome, Paul! --(WT-en) Evan 13:19, 24 Jul 2005 (EDT)
 * Thanks, guys, for your support and kind words. Looking forward to continue working with you! (WT-en) Paul James Cowie 17:37, 24 Jul 2005 (EDT)

User:(WT-en) Elgaard
Niels has been a prolific Wikivoyage contributor for more than a year. He is active in discussions of Wikivoyage policy and style guidelines, and is helpful to new users in answering questions or providing feedback. He's done some very interesting technical hacks for different content formats. He's also a really decent guy. I think he'd make a fine administrator. Niels, any comment? --(WT-en) Evan 11:00, 1 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Support -- (WT-en) Mark 11:04, 1 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Support. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 11:27, 1 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Support. -- (WT-en) Colin 11:41, 1 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Support. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:01, 1 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Support. (WT-en) Majnoona 22:51, 4 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * I would be happy to become an admin. (WT-en) elgaard 08:35, 2 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Support. -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 04:23, 7 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Support -- (WT-en) Paul James Cowie 16:06, 7 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * It's done. Welcome aboard, Niels! --(WT-en) Evan 12:36, 15 Nov 2005 (EST)

User:(WT-en) Ilkirk
Although he's been a Wikivoyager for only a few months, he's made a lot of contributions, both deep (Chattanooga) and broad. He is engaged in policy and style discussions, and active in handling unwanted edits. Good admin material. --(WT-en) Evan 12:35, 1 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Support. -- (WT-en) Colin 13:22, 1 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Support. -- (WT-en) Mark 14:56, 1 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Support. He already cleans up more articles than anyone else, so let's make him an official member of the Wikivoyage janitor's club. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:01, 1 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Support (WT-en) elgaard 08:35, 2 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Support. Yay Janitors! (WT-en) Majnoona 22:51, 4 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Support -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 04:23, 7 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Support -- (WT-en) Paul James Cowie 16:06, 7 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Great! Thanks for taking the time to do this. --(WT-en) Evan 12:36, 15 Nov 2005 (EST)