Wikivoyage:Tourist office/Archives/2019/January

Does someone have a top ten of old ships to see?
I was noting that whilst Wikivoyage has a list of aviation musuem (and some museum carriers), It doesn't seem to have a list of old ships.

In the UK I can think of some obvious ones like


 * HMS Victory (Portsmouth)
 * HMS Belfast (London)
 * Cutty Sark (London/Greenwich)

but was wondering if there were some other recomendations from other wikivoyagers.

Asked by: ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:27, 28 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Here you go: Pommern (Mariehamn), Vasa (Stockholm/Djurgården), USS Intrepid (Manhattan/Theater District), USS North Carolina (Wilmington (North Carolina)), Kreyser Aurora (Saint Petersburg/Petrograd Side), C56 (Vladivostok), Nuclear icebreaker Lenin (Murmansk), Hikawa Maru (Yokohama), U461 (Peenemünde), USS Pueblo (Pyongyang). -- ϒψιλον (talk ) 16:03, 28 December 2018 (UTC)


 * There are articles listing the top ten here, here, and here. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 16:37, 28 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Not quite what you asked for, but some of the child articles under scuba diving list sites for wreck diving. One example is Coron; those ships are from the Pacific War, but for all I know there may be earlier wrecks elsewhere. Pashley (talk) 16:40, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure about top ten, but others that come to mind are the Mary Rose in Portsmouth and RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach. --Traveler100 (talk) 17:32, 28 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Oops, didn't read the heading properly; these are just ships off my head (I've visited a couple, and read about the rest) that are on display around the world. I figured you planned to start an article about museum ships along the lines of Aviation history you mentioned. ϒψιλον  (talk ) 18:05, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

What would you consider an "old" ship? Does the Passat in Travemünde count? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:18, 28 December 2018 (UTC)


 * As somewhere to sleep yes, and more generally. I'm not the person to write an article on Old Ships, I lack the background in Naval/Maratime history to write an understand section, but if someone else wants to Plunge Forward. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:33, 28 December 2018 (UTC)


 * My inclusion criteria would be along the lines of...


 * Example of historic design, practice or "milestone" in development.
 * Ideally built prior to the year 2000.
 * "Museum" ship, or not widely used as an active vessel.

I said a top ten list, because if someoene did write an article, it could easily get very long, and it would be reasonable to confine it to the ones that are the most relevant to the traveller, (such as (inter)nationally recognised ones.) Maybe Old ships, Naval history and Maritime museums (which aren't necessarily related to naval warships) are related topics, which could be written separately? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:59, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

The maritime museum in Quanzhou has relics of the time (up to a shutdown in the 1420s) when China traded as far as East Africa with ships both much larger & technically more advanced than anuything Europe had at the time. See Maritime Silk Road. Pashley (talk) 01:19, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I would certainly recommend the SS Great Britain in Bristol as one of the best preserved/restored 18th/19th century ships. 2001:67C:20A1:1192:1F3F:7E1:E770:2D38 15:59, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * What about the Viking ships in Oslo and Roskilde? I think a timeline could be a good starting point for the list in a travel topic article, with representative ships of different eras. For some kinds of ships there are enough left that they would make the list too long, even if split up in several sections (by era, function or whatever). Pommern in Mariehamn, Viking in Gothenburg, Passat in Travemünde, Moshulu in Philadelphia and Padua/Kruzenshtern (still in service) are all windjammers from 1900–1926. Should they all be listed to let the traveller choose, or should only the "best" be chosen? Biased as I am, I might recommend having all five on a line and let the traveller choose, but for other types I'd be ready to be quite heavy-handed in choosing. --LPfi (talk) 20:12, 29 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I got my answer about the top 10 in the UK earlier, but if someone want's to start an article on Maratime history or Old Ships (with a loose definition given that not all boats are "technically" ships...) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:03, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sounds good --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 00:24, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Where on earth (or at sea) to begin with this huge topic? In 2500 BC the solar barges of Khufu brought his remains to Giza so that he could sail to meet Ra the Sun-God in the afterlife. The Kon-Tiki was a remarkable 1947 attempt to demonstrate that Polynesians came from South America not SE Asia. Havhingsten fra Glendalough or "Sea Stallion" is a 2004 replica Viking longship that sailed to Dublin, source of her 1042 original. In 1917 the cruiser Aurora fired the starting signal for the October Revolution in St Petersburg . . . and we have galleons and coracles and merchantmen and Dreadnoughts and liners . . . "Top thousand" would barely cover it. Feels like an associated task is to check that the listings for individual notable ships are of decent quality. Grahamsands (talk) 16:16, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Where would we include this list? In a new topic or in a topic that already exists? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 21:43, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, initally in existing articles for Destinations...  Old ships would be an overview summary.. If that's possible.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:55, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Scottish archeological sites, where are they?
Asked by: 75.164.252.220 01:28, 8 January 2019 (UTC)Steve Talley Number75@pobox.com

We are going to Glasgow in May 2019. We’d like to know where we can visit active or inactive archeological sites.


 * You could try contacting The Glasgow Archeolgical society, http://www.glasarchsoc.org.uk/index.php/contact-us to see if they have any projects going in May 2019. They may also know of ongoing efforts by other such as Glasgow University. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:13, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


 * If you are staying in Glasgow, I would recommend starting by visiting he Kelvingrove museum for some background. Historic sites within Glasgow itself are mainly from the last 200 years. Bearsden on the northern edge of the city has a Roman bath house, on the Antonine Wall which can be visited at several other places in the central belt including Falkirk. If you are travelling around, more remote parts of Scotland have more visible sites - particularly the Orkney Islands with 5000 year old remains, and the Outer Hebrides for standing stones and brochs. For finding out details of any sites you are interested in look at Canmore, Historic Environment Scotland's database. AlasdairW (talk) 21:37, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Looking for suggestions on a Presidents' Day Weekend Trip
Hey there! My family was looking for advice on a Presidents' Day Weekend Trip with some parameters. We're hoping to stay within the US and not encounter snow. We live in Northern California, and it'd be two parents and a 17 year-old boy going on the trip. We're considering Kauai, New Orleans, San Diego, Atlanta, and multiple places in Texas. Any suggestions?

We're pretty easy-going about what we want to do on our trips. We like big cities, nature, museums, activities, whatever. Perhaps there are some festivals going on during that time period? —The preceding comment was added by Joshund (talk • contribs)


 * In New Orleans, there are probably some events related to the New Orleans Mardi Gras. The Fat Tuesday itself is March 5, but our article says "After spotty earlier festivities, parades roll most nights starting 2 weekends before Mardi Gras."
 * Other than that, if you haven't already, please check out our guides about the places you're considering going to . -- ϒψιλον (talk ) 14:07, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Also, please let us know where you went and how it was, and please update the Wikivoyage article for the place you visit with any information that could be useful to the next traveller. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:11, 25 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Really interesting question. About the snow: while of course Christmas is over, you might find this map of interest. It (hopefully) gives you a good idea of what parts of the United States tend to receive snow and which ones don't. That map identifies the South and the west coast (though not Alaska &mdash; of course, it's not on the map, but it's cold) as the regions that are the least likely to receive snow.
 * Since you're just going for a weekend, I'd guess that probably Atlanta or New Orleans are a long way to go; by traveling there and back, you basically use 1½ days just traveling, which is exhausting and time-consuming. Even Hawaii is quite a long way; in other words, I'd say that San Diego sounds like a good option. The article for Southern California has plenty of relevant information for this area.
 * Speaking of Southern California, what about Santa Barbara? It's got a combination of nature, history, and city life. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 04:20, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

"Penny spending" map...
Okay this may be a "sensitive" topic area, but do any cites produce maps on where you can reliably find toilets that are open for public use?

Here in the UK, I wasn't aware of any, despite there being maps produced for other 'accessibility' issues.

Asked by: ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:37, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Visitor maps of cities - both fold out maps and those displayed in the street - often have public toilets marked. TfL also produce a map of all the Tube stations with toilets.


 * But, again in the UK, some local authorities have closed public WCs and instead pay local businesses (usually pubs) to allow non-customers to 'spend a penny'. As a consequence, you can walk into pretty much any pub, cafe or fast food restaurant in Sheffield city centre (for instance) and use their loos for free. In that case, a map wouldn't help much.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:47, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 * True, but using a pub or cafe loos isn't always available, I've had some cafe's in London object when I asked politely. Although not Central London, I've been told some 'churches' are open minded about letting people use their 'facilities' ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:00, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Aside: The 'pub' gets swept now and then,  I was thinking maybe answered questions here in the tourist office should also be swept to appropriate article talk pages, rather than to an central archive? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:00, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Airports and public buildings (libraries etc.) usually have free toilets. Using toilets in small restaurants or pubs without consuming anything is frowned upon in most of (Northern) Europe, but it's usually ok to use toilets in chain restaurants (Starbucks etc.) and chain hotels that have a public lobby (Ibis etc.). 188.172.192.19 15:14, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Try Great British Public Toilet Map - it looks quite good, although it is not that clear about the details of the facility and exact directions. I found the link from this homeless magazine, which I had seen on paper a few months ago. In the UK, department stores and larger supermarkets often have free toilets. Rather than asking a pub if you may use their toilets, it is probably better to ask them for directions to the nearest public facilities - if you are lucky they may say "use ours". AlasdairW (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Regarding Starbucks in particular, their restrooms are open to the public in all locations, even if you don't purchase anything. This wasn't always the case, rather was the result of international backlash over an incident in a particular Starbucks location. I've been in places where there were more Starbucks than traditional public toilets, so it's quite helpful. Lakenh (talk) 18:30, 16 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm a bit late, but as a generally usable alternative you can use overpass turbo to generate these sorts of maps. (In case a resource like the Great British Public Toilet Map is not available)
 * This query only shows toilets that are explicitly marked as free. https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/FDt
 * This query shows any toilet that is not explicitly marked as pay. https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/FDu
 * Caveats:
 * The queries I made did not take into account the access tag or handicap accesibility, but this could be easily remedied.
 * The quality of this method is entirely reliant on the quality of the underlying OSM data.
 * You'd want to use a separate tool like Mapbox Studio or QGIS to make the data pretty for public consumption.
 * Mbrickn (talk) 22:34, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Overnight in Kiev
Alright, I'm supposed to be flying from Toronto to Minsk via Kiev but the airline cancelled the connecting flight from Kiev to Minsk so I have to take the next flight the following morning at 10am. I'm arriving at Kiev airport by 4pm and settle down by 6pm. What's there to see in Kiev at night? OhanaUnitedTalk page 23:58, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems nobody following this page knows Kiev (you could check the page history and ping some of the authors). I suppose you have read the Kiev article and its Drink section. Sadly I do not know the town. --LPfi (talk) 14:42, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Photo upload
Asked by: Timmytimtimms (talk) 04:28, 25 January 2019 (UTC) Hi I have data but nowhere to send it.

A.t.bayles@gmail.com


 * Hi. You'd be looking for https://commons.wikimedia.org. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:12, 25 January 2019 (UTC)


 * To clarify: Wikimedia Commons is the image repository that Wikivoyage (and Wikipedia etc.) uses. The upload page linked in the left margin of most Wikivoyage pages has a link to the upload wizard of Wikimedia Commons. You could do a try with one image to see what the process looks like. You should know what licence to use (Commons recommends CC BY-SA 4.0), the date (at least the year) and give some sensible file name and description. If you can, choose a reasonably detailed "category" (or a few) so that people can find your images. --LPfi (talk) 11:10, 25 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, once it's on Wikimedia Commons, you can display the picture on various Wikimedia family sites (like Wikipedia, Wikivoyage, etc.) --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 14:41, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

visit visa

 * I am a sri lankan and wish to make a visit to Senegal for 2 weeks. pl. advice how I could get my visa.

Asked by: 112.134.6.88 09:31, 29 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Some info at Senegal, maybe other helpful stuff at visa. Web search shows a Senegalese consulate in Colombo & embassy in Delhi. For the embassy/consulate difference, see diplomatic missions. Pashley (talk) 11:10, 29 January 2019 (UTC)