User talk:Vlbortz

Hello, Vlbortz! Thank you for contributing to Wikivoyage, but please note that one or more of your recent edits has been reverted as it appeared to be an attempt to use this site to advertise or promote a business or service. Wikivoyage is created by travellers for travellers, and while business owners and employees are welcome to contribute, use of this site for promotional purposes is not allowed.

If you feel that your edits were incorrectly identified as promotional, please read Wikivoyage's guidelines on identifying promotional edits. If, after reading that guideline, you still feel your edits were incorrectly removed, please use this talk page or the talk page of the article where your edit was removed to explain why your change was not promotional. Note that it is very important that you discuss your proposed change before re-adding it since repeated promotional edits can lead to a temporary block of your account's ability to edit Wikivoyage, and in serious cases the business in question may be blacklisted from Wikivoyage. Please read WV:External links: we don't link to other travel guides, per policy. Thanks for understanding, Ibaman (talk) 16:30, 16 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi Ibaman,
 * I don't really have to read the guidelines on identifying promotional edits in order to start feeling that my edits were incorrectly removed - actually I'm in any case don't have to feel that my edits were incorrectly removed, as I know with 100% confidence that my edits were incorrectly removed.
 * Please note also that nobody, including me, could ever *still* feel anything before they actually started to feel that thing. Why I didn't get notification that my edits were removed at the same moment when they were removed (and when I still could recall what those edits were)?
 * Thanks,
 * Vitaly. Vlbortz (talk) 19:11, 16 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you happened to insert this link in this edit. This link is to another travel guide. Wikivoyage has policies concerning this type of link: Goals and non-goals andExternal links. "Avoid linking to secondary sources. For example, avoid links to: Hotel or travel booking services or aggregators; Blogs, forums and social networking sites (Facebook, etc), with the exception of when a business has no other official web presence". And, I beg to disagree, you DID get notification that your edits were removed at the same moment when they were removed, or better, I notified you on 16:30 and reverted on 16:31, i.e. BEFORE REVERSION. Thanks for your concerns, and for contributing to Wikivoyage. Ibaman (talk) 19:23, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah - I misread what you wrote: your message looked to me like saying this: "I don't know yet if your last edit is OK or not, but I suspect you because one or more of your *recent* edit*s* (i.e. not the today's one) were reverted"...
 * Now I see that by "one or more of your recent edits" you meant today's edit - pretty confusing wording, have to say.
 * Now, when one of misunderstandings was clarified, let's move to the original misunderstanding (and/or apparent mis-definion of Wikivoyage goals). The article I've read today had (and now has again) a dead link to a non-existing page. The site itself which hosted the not-yet-existing page about car trains in Switzerland, still exists, but says nothing about car trains (or hides this info in some remote corner). Further googling brought to me to a site which does provide the info about car trains in Switzerland, so I added a link to it for my own and hopefully, other people use.
 * From your response I've learned that the site I found can't be referred to from Wikivoyage because of some un-understandable to me considerations. Are you 100% sure that having a dead link indeed better that having a link to useful info, even when that info is on - God forbid! - "secondary source"? Vlbortz (talk) 21:54, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Correction: after reading Goals and non-goals andExternal links I see that goals are OK, it's the unconditional restriction on linking to other travel guides (even when they are the only available source of useful info) which contradicts the goals.
 * Anyway, what are going to do or suggest me to do with the dead link? Vlbortz (talk) 18:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikivoyage is supposed to be a standalone online travel guide. All useful information ought to be transcribed here, to be read here. Hope this clarifies the policy's intention. Ibaman (talk) 19:01, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The intention is clear, and how to apply it during writing a new section or whole article, is also clear, but how to apply it to the case when a very brief section contains a link to a primary source which has disappeared from the web since time of the writing, is less clear. You probably don't wont to expand the size of that section disproportionally to the rest of existing article. Vlbortz (talk) 10:46, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm giving up on trying to change the external links policy. Let's better return to my another, more practical, question: what to do with the dead link? Vlbortz (talk) 14:29, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I was unable to find an adequate replacement, so I removed the dead link, and the associated text. That website will probably include something similar in the future. There are news that they changed the model of the car train, so they seem to have removed the page for that reason. Twsabin (talk) 16:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)