User talk:Shaundd/Archives 2006-11

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Nice map!
Nice work on this map ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:39, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

Maps
Unfortunately we can't trace copyrighted base files, since that would make the resulting map a "derivative work." I agree that this is pretty ridiculous, but then again, I have a lot of objections to current U.S. intellectual property laws. Private mapmakers actually introduce errors into their maps, just to be able to catch copyright infringement! If you're having trouble finding a base to work with for a specific map, let me know&mdash;I think I'm pretty much familiar with all possible base sources for maps. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:19, 30 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Just wanted to drop by and add another thanks for your help with the Project:Regions Map Expedition! If you have any questions with inkscape, don't hesitate to ask ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:54, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

New Zealand map
You really outdid yourself on that one! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:04, 1 October 2008 (EDT)


 * Couldn't agree more&mdash;I've been removing the CIA factbook maps as soon as I get new regions maps in their place. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:39, 1 October 2008 (EDT)


 * Ooh yeah, that's a great one... keep up the good work, it's so nice having multiple talented map-makers around! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:18, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Edmonton Map
Hi, Shaund, I thought you MIGHT be interested in a small project. See the (I think) last topic in Talk:Edmonton, about maps. Tell me what you think. Also, can you create a map as PNG and then convert it to a SVG w/o a SVG like progream (linkscape?)? ¿ Keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 16:46, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

Thank you so much, from my talk page

 * (I am putting this in my talk page, as well) OH THANK YOU SHAUND...YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY YOU'VE MADE ME SERIOUSLY! OH THANK GOD!  LOL...anyways I know you won't put roads in first but you need to put in the river and the city boundaries!  OK?  Thanks agaiN!  I don't mind that it takes a few weeks, it's just a load off because I know I'd suck and I'm busy with the "written" part ;), plus other stuff I like to do (going out, Playing SimCity, hanging out with the people I love :)) this is just such a load off!  Oh thank you Shaund!  And I will add the districts borders to the main page and the districts, but how would you go about describing if say it is "bound by the north by one road, but then its northern side goes in a southwest direction on another road, then a east-west road again, just further south, etc."?¿  Thank you so much for the advice as well, I am working hard to get all of them USEABLE...then I will do the main article to fit the districts, then I'll be more specific to the manual of style and try and make 'em guides!   Thank you for your edits as well, any edits are ALWAYS APPRECIATED.  Once you answer my question about district borders, I'll set the borders up :)!  Or what I could do is take a map from Open Street and just use that (because the major roads, which are borders are shown) and show you that, then you can make a good one (the OpenStreet one wouldn't really be good for this anyways ;)!  Thanks so much Shaund.  Just let me know when you are starting, how your progressing (if you want you can upload the incomplete image to show me ... ) and if you have any questions ;)!  Thank you so much, by the way,Vancouver rocks! haha.  It does, I'm serious, my third favourite city (Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver...).  Heh, anywauy,s thanks!  Also, are you learning any about Edmonton via these articles, if so, what in particular? Keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 20:40, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

The Edmonton Map information!
Hi, Shaund! It's what you've been waiting for-the information for the Edmonton district's map ahah! I know, I know you were thinking that all-inclusive trip to Miami! NOOO! Haha, anyways, here's all the information:

Edmonton, as you know, is having 8 districts:


 * Central - bound by: Groat Road in the west from the river until 118th Avenue. The northern boundaries are 118th Avenue which turns into Kingsway Ave. until 111 Avenue, then the northern border takes a north-south boundary at 118th Ave and 97 St. of 97th Street until the Yellowhhead (16) Highway and that continues it's northern border until Wayne Gretzky Drive.  It's eastern border is Wayne Gretzky Drive between Yellowhead and river.  The southern boundary is the North Saskatchewan River between Groat Road and Wayne Gretzky Drive.


 * East Central - basically east of the Wayne Gretzky Drive, south of Yellowhead, west of the Highway 216/Anthony Henday Dr. (aka eastern boundaries of the city) and north of the river. Basically that!


 * South Central - western boundary is the river. Northern boundary is the river until 98 Avenue then that's its norhtern boundary until Connor's Road (Which is rightaway) then at a traffic circle it continues as 83 St.  Oh boy, I just did it's eastern boundary, heh.  Then continuuuing the eastern boudary along 82nd/Whyte Avenue until 75th St. 75th St. until Argyll Road.  Then the southern boundary is Argyll Road which turns into 63 Avenue then joins up with 61 Avenue west of 104th Street/Calgary Trl. Contuinue on that until 113 St.  113 St becomes the border until Belgravia Road/Fox Drive which is the border until Whitemud Drive, which is the border (for a teeeny bit)until the river! Phewph!  Confusing?

Phew-four more!
 * North - start with the southern boundary which begins in the west as Stony Plain Road until Mayfield Road (north-south road)which then turns into 111(west-east) Avenue which is the border until Groat Road which is the border until 118th Avenue that turns into Kingwway Avenue. Kingsway is then the border until 111 Ave. which is the border until 97th St.  97th is the border until Yellowhead.  Then basically anything north of the Yellowhead is the north end.  It's eastern boundary is the city limits north of the Yellowhead.  Same with the west.  The north aswell.  Just make sure you check the city borders properyl :)!
 * West - the western border is the city limits. The southern border the same.  The northern boundary is Stony Plain Road until Mayfield Road which turns into 111 Avenue.  That is the border until Groat Road.  Groat Road is the eastern boundary until the river, which finishes off being the eastern border all the way south down to the city limits.


 * Southwest - Eastern boundary is 99 St. until Whitemud Drive, which is breif in being the border because at 91 St. that becomes the border. 91 St. is the eastern boundary until Anthony Henday Drive.  Anthony Henday is brefily the boundary until Calgary Trail, which becomes the boundary until the city limits.  Southern borders are the city limits west of Calg. Trail.  Western boundary is the North Saskatchewan River until the Whitemud Drive.  Whitemud breifly becomes border.  Now we're at the northern boder. At Whitemudand Fox Drive, Fox Drive becomes the border which turns into Belgravia Road.  At 113 St., 113 St becomes the border until 61 Avenue.  Which is the border until it meets up with 63 Avenue which is the border until 99 St.


 * East - western boundary is 98th Ave until Connor's Rd. then at a traffic circle it continues as 83 St.  Then continuing the eastern boudary along 82nd/Whyte Avenue until 75th St. 75th St. until Argyll Road.  Then the southern boundary is Argyll Road which turns into 63 Avenue which is the border until 99 St.  99th is the border until Whitemud Drive.  The southern boundary is north of Whitmud Drive, east of 99th.  The eastern is the city boundaries-I believe Highway 216.  Northern boundary is basically the river until Yellowhead Trl. which is the northern boundary until the eastern city limits. *Sigh*.


 * Mill Woods - basically west of 91 Street untilAnthony Henday Drive (highway) which at Calgary Trail, Calgary Trail becomes the western boundary until southern limits. Southern limits is the southern city limits.  Northern boundary is Whitemud Dr. east of 91 St.  Eastern boundary is city limits.

Ok there, I hhope I was thorough, I was getting tired. If you have any questions ,remember just ask MIIIII. Remember to put in the city limits, I would also like you to grey-out Sherwood Park and Saint Albert (municipalities connected) like the Vancouver map ;)!!!! Also don't forget to PUT IN the river!!!!!!!!  Use online maps or bought maps to help you, aswell!  To help you further, I saved a map from OpenStreetMaps to give you a different perspective, in case the above was somewhat confusing!



That one shows just the district borders and their names!!!!!

The one below also shows the roads you should put in v2...I know you won't put the roads in rightaway, but soon after the original version is created, please put the roads in(I will help you with that when you decude to do tthat). The colours I chose for the words of the districts in this one you can use for the colours of the districts, if you feel as if you'd like to!!!! Here is:

Just sucks that all the roads in openstreet for Edmonton aren't on there:(!!!! Anyways, how are yeh?  How long do you think this will take?  One week?  I am thinkin' between one and two weeks.  Thanks again, I really do appreciate it, and I'm sorry not more of them were squary but they just don't fit so I had to put specific borders, but I did tone it down, like now Westmount is apart of the northside instead and Rexall Place is in central now.  Now I've done my dutties, remember tot tell me how you're progressing and when you've started.  Thanks, mate!  Keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 19:17, 28 October 2008 (EDT) Also, do you think that I should really give those information to describe the boundaries in the actual pages?  A little long...doncha think?  I will reserve doing so until you provide an answer as to what you think, Keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 19:25, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Have you started it yet? Keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 14:07, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
 * This might help you with the city' borders......keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 16:26, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

history calgary
hey i was wondering when you are gonna do the history for calgary, i just beliebe you said you would. keep smiling, (WT-en) ee

idea??
what about a thing in your userpg where you give a link to all the pmaps you've done? keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 00:03, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

nice work!
I saw your work on the Edmonton districts map! Fantastic job-and thank you! I really appreciate it. You did such a good job. I wouldn't ask for it now, but sometime in a bit, you could put some major roads;). So good though, you dif a fine job!  Thank you so much!  Keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 23:26, 2 November 2008 (EST)

I want to thank-you!
Hey, Shaund! I want to thank you for the district map of Edmonton you did. Very good! I wanted to say that with you doing that you have helped me stay enthused about all this districting! You're a real help! Thanks! Keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 11:05, 3 November 2008 (EST).
 * Also, thanks for the work in Edmonton. Keep smiling ,(WT-en) ee talk 23:59, 3 November 2008 (EST).

Whats your-The Vancouver Edition!
Hey Shaund! I was wondering what's yourr favourite par/and/or district of Vancouver and why! I was wondering iff I could get a Metropolitan Vancouverites opinion. Also, what's the best view of the skyline? Thought I'd ask you! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 22:44, 4 November 2008 (EST).
 * I added a comment in my user talk. If you want, please check (and reply;)) Keep smilign, (WT-en) ee talk 11:14, 7 November 2008 (EST).
 * Also chekc the Talk:Edmonton and go to the part about Edmonton skyline phots-thought you might like to voice your opinion! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 12:59, 7 November 2008 (EST).

--left another comment. keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 00:13, 11 November 2008 (EST).

Heya, just asking
Remember - you don't need to say yes, and if you do you don't have to do it right away, just soon. Anyways, since you've done so well on Alberta/BC maps, chekc the bottom of Talk:Edmonton/Central and post a comment! THANKS MUCH! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 20:56, 6 November 2008 (EST).

CotM
Hey, Shaund, I thought you might be interested to check out the Project:Collaborations of the month and go down to North America and see Edmonton and Calgary's thing. If ya can, please comment. Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 22:17, 8 November 2008 (EST).

vancouver photo
Thought you'd like some Vancouver photos to look at:, ,

Aaand...since you've taken an interest in Edmonton......Pretty dense, eh? A lot of peopl don't know that about E-town! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 23:06, 10 November 2008 (EST).

!Docent¡
You seem to know a lot about Vancouver, have you considered becoming a Docent? I think you'd be a fantastic docent, really! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 00:21, 11 November 2008 (EST).


 * Thanks for the words of encouragement. I'll think about it. (WT-en) Shaund 02:32, 11 November 2008 (EST)

edmonton map
3 points about the edmonton map:


 * 1 - Beautiful work - really it is fantastic! You should finish labelling the streets.
 * Noted, although some streets won't get labelled because of space constraints. - Shaund


 * 2 - This is the actual sign for Highway Two - it's changed : but still good.  Also, you should put NW against all the roads except Ellerslie which would be SW.  Remember quadrants!
 * OK, I'll look up the quadrants. Although why would they all be NW or SW, shouldn't there be NE and SE too??
 * There isn't a SE because there is no land that would fall under the quadrant for Edmonton. There is a NE, but, there is only a small residential community that falls under it and no major roads as of yet.  The vast majority of the city is under NW though, because we didn't have it as Calgary, we didn't have quadrants for such a long time, then we started developing land past 1 St and 1 Ave so the other quadrants needed to be placed, that is why the majority of the city is NW because it is all the land in the city that is from the original road plans.  Keep Smiling, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 16:22, 25 November 2008 (EST).
 * Re the QE2 highway, that image has copyright issues. If there's one floating around that is public domain or compliant with WT licensing standards, I'll use it. - Shaund


 * 3 - how do you get those colour things with matching the map for the district. Eg Central is purple so under its descr there is a purple thing.  An example is Copenhagen.
 * It's the region list template. I was going to do it the next time I revised the map, but you can jump in and set it up now if you want. (WT-en) Shaund 23:49, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Thanks for the work, I really do appreciate it!

Keep smiling,

(WT-en) ee talk 20:45, 11 November 2008 (EST).

Some more edits I noticed are: 76 Street is actually 75 St. You should label Sherwood Park Freeway (the part of Whyte Ave that is yellow road). Put in Groat Road (the part of St Albert Trail south of Yellowhead, labell that). Also label 82nd St. and extend it to around 137 Ave. Also 170 St between Whitemud and St Alb Trail should be yellow, as it is a small freeway. You might want to label it with the "2" also as that section is apart of Highway Two ... although it kind of is a bit iffy in exact markers but basically it's that so you should label it that. Also the "2" Highway south of Whitemud (Calgary Trail) should have the QEII logo I showed you all others are the regular 2. Other than that, just the other points I've said and good job!

Thank you! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 13:54, 13 November 2008 (EST).


 * Hey EE, thanks. Other than QEII logo, I'll try to work those in. Just so you know - the QEII logo isn't compatable with our licensing (i.e., it's not Creative Commons Attribution Share-alike) so I can't include on the map (it would be a possible copyright violation). Cheers. (WT-en) Shaund 00:00, 14 November 2008 (EST)
 * Aiiight! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee  talk 00:41, 14 November 2008 (EST).

just because roads are named doesnt mean they donet get NW. also, you will need to rename east central highlands per me renaming, thanks. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 11:49, 26 November 2008 (EST).

Thanks for the update. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 17:46, 17 December 2008 (EST).

VCR
Hi there, I saw you said that Vancouver article isn't good to look up. You said it's messy and stuff, I don't get it, it seems like a pretty darn good article(S) to me. Very well done. I definitely look up to it (for Edmonton, Calgary). Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 20:50, 12 November 2008 (EST).


 * Vancouver is definitely a good article and it's cool that you look up to it for Edmonton and Calgary. I believe I was referring to something specific -- the See and Do sections. The main article isn't supposed to have all those listings since Vancouver is a huge city, and sometime in the near future I'll be replacing them with a summary like Chicago has.
 * And thanks for the links to the pictures of Vancouver and Edmonton. There's some very cool shots of the two cities (and pretty much everywhere I guess) on Flickr. Although I strongly suspect some of them have seen time in Photoshop (like mine do occasionally :) ) (WT-en) Shaund 01:04, 13 November 2008 (EST)


 * Oh, alright I get it. Do you like the colour thing I did?  Glad you like the pictures!  They do look nice!  Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee  talk 10:32, 13 November 2008 (EST).


 * Yes, thanks for adding the region template! (WT-en) Shaund 00:01, 14 November 2008 (EST)
 * Hey no problem! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee  talk 00:41, 14 November 2008 (EST).

SHAUND!
Heya mate! I'm guessing you are Shaun D., right, I'm just guessing! Anyways, I want to give you a barnstar! Why? Well you've done a lot of work to Vancouver, and it is a good job, you've done a fabulous district overview map for Edmonton, you've done small stuff for Edmonton, your very friendly and helpful to me! So YOU DESERVE IT:)!  Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee  talk 17:14, 14 November 2008 (EST).



photo
photo link to your vacation travels thing doesn't come up fro myour UserPg. Keep smiling ,(WT-en) ee talk 22:18, 14 November 2008 (EST).

admin
I've nominated you for admin-you deserve it! Check this page for your nom! Let us know if you'd accept! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 23:15, 14 November 2008 (EST).

Edmonton Wikivoyage Press
Hey Shaund, I am discussing with Jpatokal over doing a book for Edmonton on Wikivoyage Press, I thought you might be interested in helping me with it. Would you be? Lemme know. Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 12:52, 15 November 2008 (EST).


 * Also you'd need to convert the district map to fit the book, please? It may be a bit difficult, BUT Peter can probably help you.  KEep smiling, (WT-en) ee  talk 14:22, 15 November 2008 (EST).


 * I saw Peter's comments, that shouldn't be a problem. (WT-en) Shaund 14:38, 15 November 2008 (EST)


 * Awesome, Shaund, you're great! Thank you so much for everything!  Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee  talk 14:40, 15 November 2008 (EST).

edm, ab dotm
I recently nominated Edmonton for Destination of the Month. I KNOW...another Edmonton thing...I think it does have good chances. I'd love your thoughts. Keep smiling, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">ee <font color="#8848d7">talk 23:51, 16 November 2008 (EST).

Also, you'd be interested in this, macsya fall in love with Vancouver! Keep smiling, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 19:06, 17 November 2008 (EST).

Oh and there some small things for the Edmonton map to change (some are in my talk pages). Here i modifyed this and the green areas you need to add more parks, check google to make sure they are place correctly, or, if you can Open Street (but don't count on it:)). Keep smiling, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee]  <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 19:15, 19 November 2008 (EST).

Image:Murparks.PNG Silly moi, I forgot the link.


 * Ah, your comment makes more sense now. I was wondering what you had modified :-) (WT-en) Shaund 01:41, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Thanks for your kind words on Edmonton DotM. Keep smiling, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 09:58, 20 November 2008 (EST).

LOL. --ee.

I was wondering if you knew where Jim was? He hasn't been around since last month! Keep Smiling, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 17:23, 22 November 2008 (EST).


 * Yeah, I don't know. Probably just busy or on vacation. (WT-en) Shaund 10:17, 23 November 2008 (EST)
 * Maybe, don't see why he wouldn't give a message. Keep Smiling, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee]  <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 11:51, 23 November 2008 (EST).

Thanks for Istanbul
Thank you for moving the 'see' listings of Istanbul into appropriate district articles.--(WT-en) Vidimian 07:18, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Yaletown
I was wondering if you had some images of Yaletown, Vancouver? If you do, I'd like to see them as I have no images of it myself despite me really liking it and you have awesome images. It'd be cool too if you added one in the Vancouver articles as Yaletown is a major area in central Van. Keep Smiling, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 18:49, 24 November 2008 (EST).
 * Actually, come to think of it, I don't. I could add it to the itinerary the next time I do a photography trip around the city. :-) (WT-en) Shaund 02:20, 25 November 2008 (EST)


 * COol! Keep Smiling, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee]  <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 10:35, 25 November 2008 (EST).

AB
I think Alberta is ready for its schnnazzy new map/regions! (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 23:05, 25 November 2008 (EST).


 * I agree, but let's give it until Sunday. That way the message about the district boundaries on the main page will have been up for a week. (WT-en) Shaund 23:13, 25 November 2008 (EST)

qs & comments
If you could, please, give your opinion on Talk:Edmonton/Central about Edmonton having a "skyline guide", although Vancouver could have one. Thanks for your kind words about my photographs.

Hey, also I have some qs about Vancouver!

1) What is the best time, weather wise?

2) What is the best time, stuff to do wise?

3) Is there a lot of festivals, from your experience, that are any good?

4) Any interesting parks besides Spanish Banks and beaches and Stanley?

5) Why is your aquarium so good :P?

6) What area in Central Van (incl Broadway and Kits) is your favourite (Ie yaletown, west end, coal harbour, 4th ave, broadway, the beaches, gastown, cbd, stnly park, etc.) is your favourite personally?

7) What is the best hotels for under 150$/nigh in Downtown/south central Vancouver that is good quality? Thanks-remember to upd the Edmonton map! (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee]  <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 18:56, 26 November 2008 (EST).


 * Hey, just to let you know, I see the questions, but I'm going to answer them (and the ones in Edm) later. It's been a looong day, and I need some sleep! (WT-en) Shaund 01:52, 27 November 2008 (EST)


 * OK, after much delay, here are my answers... (WT-en) Shaund 01:31, 2 December 2008 (EST)
 * 1) Best time weather-wise is typically July-Sept, although Oct and surprisingly, Feb, can also have good weather. Unless you're into rain and the wall of grey cloud, then Nov-Apr is your time (although as I said, Feb can sometimes have surprisingly good weather).
 * 2) Best time stuff-to-do-wise depends on what you want to do. If you want to do snow sports, Jan-Mar is best. Festivals and beach stuff is best July-Aug. Sept-Oct is also good since the crowds are less, although the weather can be a bit cooler.
 * 3) There are lots of festivals in Vancouver, but I'm not up on them (too lazy to cross the harbour to go). I have some friends that rave about Folk Fest in Kits. The Fringe Festival always has interesting fare. I've heard good things about some of the local festivals, but haven't been there so I don't have first hand experience.
 * 4) Wreck Beach can be interesting :) But in terms of real parks, QE Park is nice to wander around (old quarry turned into gardens) and it's the highest point in the city so it gives some views. My favourite park is Lynn Canyon, over in North Van -- it has a free suspension bridge, nice hiking trails and Twin Falls, a pretty spot to look at and the swimming is great on a warm summer day.
 * 5) Not sure why people rave about the Aquarium. I guess it's pretty good, I don't recall seeing too many cities with an aquarium that size. The sea otters are cute. I'm just a bit jaded when it comes to aquariums because one of the first ones I saw with the one in Sydney, which (I think) is way better than Vancouver's.
 * 6) I can't really say which area is my favourite, none of them really stand out in my mind. English Bay/Davie & Denman is interesting because it's got lots of restaurants nearby, it has the beach and lots of people. I always like beaches, so Kits is good too, especially once you get past the really busy beach. 4th Ave is good because it has a number of snowboard shops. But, as I think I mentioned before, I mostly hang out on the North Shore.
 * 7) I'll have to do research on that one.

Thanks. I like your responses. Also in shopping, is there any unique independant urban areas or do they all have like brands/megachains like Robson (roots, le chateau, lululemon, the bay, mc donalds, arbys, etc.). I am guessing 4th? (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 23:25, 2 December 2008 (EST).

also, can ya give yo opinion in my talk about the recent stuff[youlla get it from peoople wantin me to lleave]. why? you are polite, seem to like mea &are always calm. if youi can. keep smiling, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 23:44, 26 November 2008 (EST).

No problem Shaund! (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 09:59, 27 November 2008 (EST).

Image:JasperEdmonton.JPG

What do you think oF this one? The picture is it any good? (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 23:14, 27 November 2008 (EST).


 * The picture looks fine, although it would help if the weather cooperated and you had a nice blue sky in the background. What are you thinking of using it for? (WT-en) Shaund 01:29, 28 November 2008 (EST)

I used it in the Edmonton article. Glad you like it. I am using it as transportation as Jasper is a major road. (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 13:03, 28 November 2008 (EST).

lemme know whatcha think of these: Image:EdmontonGallagher.JPG

Image:ManuComm.JPG

Image:EdmontonLove.JPG

Image:Hilltop.JPG

Image:Whyte.JPG

Have you started the update to the map? Sorry for all the questions but you are very helpful for me and I love your opinion. (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 18:18, 28 November 2008 (EST).


 * Hi EE, I like the first and third pictures best. Fairly crisp images and good colours. Something about Hilltop doesn't work for me -- I think I just don't find it a very exciting picture to look it -- there's not much colour variation and it doesn't look quite centered. I think Whyte could do with fewer people in it, it overwhelms the streetscape (which is what I assume you're trying to capture).
 * Regarding the map, sorry, it's been a crappy week at work so I haven't done any map work at all. (WT-en) Shaund 01:05, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Hey shaund, thanks for the comments. thats fine you havent started the map i was just asking. I hope you have a better weekend. any special plans? thank you for the comments on the photos. So you think the Whyte Avenue, Oliver, and Skyline ones are the best? What about Manulife and commerc one ? (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 12:29, 29 November 2008 (EST).


 * Hey I'd love your expertise in Talk:Edmonton, I got some new photos! I am sorry I do this everytime I think I have good photos, it's just, I don't know really how good they are so I like feedback.  (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee]  <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 22:00, 29 November 2008 (EST).

Hey hope you had a good weekend. Did you take any pictures when you were in Edmonton? I was wondering, in addition to other stuff. Since my work in Edmonton, does Edmonton seem appealing? Would you go sometime soon? Thansk! (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 16:58, 1 December 2008 (EST).


 * Thanks, weekend wasn't too bad. Mostly taking it easy and staying away from work and the computer.
 * Unfortunately, I think I only have one picture of Edmonton -- it's one of those river valley shots where I was trying to capture the downtown skyline. It's not a good shot, I had no zoom, in fact I think the camera wasn't even a 35 mm point and click. I wasn't much interested in photography back then, and probably focused more on sulking because I was being dragged to the West Edm Mall by my parents. So, yeah, no photos. :) Not sure when I'll be back there next. Your photos and enthusiasm for Edmonton have definitely made it more appealing. (WT-en) Shaund 01:31, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Hooray, glad to hear really!!! What did you see when you were here last? Did you see any festivals? Was the river valley appealing? (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 11:09, 2 December 2008 (EST).

Anyways, the city is changing a lot. Even between 2007 and 2008, it is night and day. 2009 will be better. More LRT, new art gallery, more retail, restaurants, more fests, new shopping centres completed, etc. Edmonton is in a turning corner. Now it is not as interesting as Vancouver but it is double the size (van). Anyways, I think you'd like it. Lotta up and coming areas. The urban Sobey's (IGA Marketplace but bigger a little) this year created such a buzz. City Centre Mall I remember was so dull and dead so empty and belch, now I went there quickly this weekend 2 empty storefrontsd and thats it-1 is getting a new retail and the other is still empty. It is such a dramatic change and although it has just chains overall it really is a good mall except it is hard to find enterances/exits so if you go, best to remember where you got in, lol. Have you been to Whyte? (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 11:21, 2 December 2008 (EST).

also, you need to change east and mill woods and merge into one, southeast, on the map, thanks. you are a huge help hun. (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 22:36, 2 December 2008 (EST).


 * It's a good thing I haven't started then! :-) (WT-en) Shaund 23:14, 2 December 2008 (EST)

LOL-sorry for all the qeustions iim just rly interested. (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 23:21, 2 December 2008 (EST).

Okay I am wondering if any of these should be used in an article: Image:Cityhallcntowner copy.jpg Image:104th-marketnew.JPG Image:Mmhmmed.jpg Thansk! (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 19:26, 4 December 2008 (EST).

Good work with Alberta.(WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 23:06, 10 December 2008 (EST).

Do you guys in Van usually get snow like you have been? I know you usually get rain, but do you have a week of s now? It's odd, North America is snowing everywhere, yet Edmonton is just barely below average -  LOL. Sorry I ask so many questions on Vancity I just like the city and am plannin on going there next year. Also, where would be some nice gritty areas to look at? Is there any historical neighbourhoods from your opinion that are any good besides Gastown? Any neighbourhoods beside Yaletown that clash the new condos with old warehouses? Sorry I just like places like that generally. I don't remember seeing anything in the articles - maybe we should add it. (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 22:03, 19 December 2008 (EST).


 * We don't get snow like that every year, but we usually see a week or two of snow every couple of years. It's definitely colder than normal though (but nothing compared to what I used to see in Ontario).
 * As for historical neighbourhoods, Gastown is the oldest part of Vancouver, so nothing is going to be older. I'm not sure if there are any complete neighbourhoods left in New West from the 1800s, there are some individual buildings though. The street I live on in North Van has 12 heritage houses, but there isn't a complete neighbourhood like Gastown.
 * I'm not sure what other Yaletown-like neighbourhoods are around. They've put a bunch of new condos up near the bus/train station, around Quebec St, Main St and Terminal Ave, that mixes with the rundown buildings in the area. They've been building alot of new condo towers along the Millenium Skytrain line in old semi-industrial areas (but not necessarily warehouses). The Olympic Village that is being built south of False Creek is reclaimed industrial land as well. (WT-en) Shaund 02:10, 20 December 2008 (EST)
 * Thanks Shaund! Isn't the Woodward's area kind of YT ish cause of the new woodwards condos plus all the historic buildigns.  Then again - that area has a lot of crime - and I like gritty areas but not alway high crime.  Anyways, I remember they were putting lots of condos up by science world last time i was there.  How come the Storyeum closed?  That was my favourite attraction!I find it odd how Edmonton is older than Van but Van has more preserved neighbourhoods and older buildings - I mean we only have a handful of 1800 buildings - like 5 i believe.  As for the snow, Edmonton is quite seasonable - but my my LAS VEGAS had snow - lol.  Something funny, when I heard Yaletown in 2006, I thought Yale was in Vancouver!!!  Anyways I hope you are beating the snow well.  What do you like doing on vacations besides skiing?  (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee]  <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 13:11, 21 December 2008 (EST).
 * Woodwards is sort of an extension of what they've done around Scienceworld (those condos are pretty much complete now). They're gradually redeveloping northwards along Main St -- it looks alot better than it did 10 years ago when I first came out here, but I'm not sure it helps solve the crime/homelessness problem in the area.
 * I don't know the story behind Storyeum. My guess is it was very expensive to run and they simply didn't get enough people in to make a profit. They only had a couple of shows, so it's hard to keep people coming back. It's too bad because it was a very interesting way to present history.
 * What do I like to do on vacations? Travel, take pictures, relax and enjoy the sunshine. Usually it's a mix of doing some outdoors stuff, looking at some of the historical stuff or other things that are unique about the area, and trying some local food. Unless it's a ski weekend or I'm visiting family, it'll usually be somewhere I haven't been before. (WT-en) Shaund 15:26, 21 December 2008 (EST)
 * Hey cool! Thanks very much for the input and you are prob right about Storyeum.  What has taken the spot of that?  Oh you like photography!  That's why your input is so great.  There is quite a few phootgenic areas in Edmonton.  The best would be the river with towers popping out or if you can get into one of the office towers and look out.  Hey, would you go to a spa?  Heeheheheeh ... I mean to relax... just joking.  Edmonton is Canada's sunniest city - is it sunny a lot around the year in Van?  I know that the City of Nanaimo has lots of sunshine.  You would probably like Fort Edmonton here in Edmonton, as well as the gritty Boyle area because it was actually the original downtown and has a lot of preserved buildings - guess kind of like Gastown but on a smaller scale and there isn't really any shopping.  Edmonton has some great Chinese food and Burger bars.  We also got some authentic Italian places.  Sounds like you'd like places like China or the Carribean or Africa with all kinds of different foods that aren't typical to Canada.  You would have a ball out in our river valley.  It's a nice place to walk the trails, or bike, plus you can do some stops to take skyline photos.  One of Edmonton's best kept secrets is going in summer and having a picnic in Gallagher Park.  Beautiful outdoors with the best view of the skyline.  You'd also probably like the Whyte Ave stretch - its a well preserved historic area but still very very vibrant.  Shopping, looking at art, trying out neat restaurants, seeing a wide range of people, photogenicness of the pedestrians against the beautiful low rise buildings.  If you like food, you would like the Heritage Days and Taste of Edmonton festivals because they have a lot of different food from so many cultures.  I was wondering, do you like Victoria?  I mean, last time I was there I was soooo bored, but that's mostly cause I really didn't know what to do.  What about you?  What stuff seems most of interest to you in Edmonton?  Have you ever been to Jasper, nice skiing up there ! Also, this may sound odd, but it's not really, do you have an account on OSM?  (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee]  <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 15:43, 21 December 2008 (EST).
 * No, no OSM account. I've been to Jasper a couple of times, but not for skiing (both times were in the summer). Not a big fan of Victoria... it's a nice enough city, but not lots to do that interests me there. Vancouver isn't all that sunny - we're well known for our rain and grey skies for a reason! (WT-en) Shaund 17:09, 23 December 2008 (EST)
 * Too bad you have never been to Jasper outside Summer, nor have I. I hear Marmot and other ski places are realll good.  I like the IMAX in Victoria and some of it's history - plus the people at the hotel were real nice, but yeah, it wasn't that interesting.  Too bad Van isnt that sunny, but not surprised, like you said rain.  Thanks for taking the time to reply to my questions, really, and I hope they aren't getting anoying.  Hey, outa curiousity, do you like Calgary et all?  Very outdoorsie city, akin to Edmonton.  The difference is that Edmontonians do outdoor stuff in the city, and Calgary people go just a little west :).  Have a good day ,(WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee]  <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 17:25, 23 December 2008 (EST).

Welcome to the admin club
Your switch has been flipped. Take a look at Project:Administrator's handbook and start unclogging the toilets! (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:35, 3 December 2008 (EST)


 * Congradulations! You deserve it Shaund, and I hope you take great pride with it.  (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee]  <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 10:20, 3 December 2008 (EST).

Routebox
Hey, I was wondering if you wanted to work with me once we get the whole Canadian routebox settled, did you want to work together to try and get a bunch in BC/AB? I would help in BC. It is fine if you don't want to. Anyways, thanks for everything - haven't heard from you in a while. (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 13:00, 14 December 2008 (EST).

We would need:


 * TransCanada
 * Queen Elizabeth Highway Two
 * The Pentagony symbol you used for Hwy 2 in the Edmonton map

And whatever logos you need for sure that I didn't see. It doesn't look too hard as it looks to be mostly 3 different symbols, then different numbers. What do you say? (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 14:17, 14 December 2008 (EST).

Also, where did you get the symbols already used in the maps of Vancouver/Edmonton? I cannot find them. (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 14:39, 14 December 2008 (EST).

I found a free Alberta highway one,, but I couldnt find a BC one - i looked. I still dont get how you smuggled a TransCanada one! Looks as though wed need QEII, BC Highway, and TransCanada logos still. (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 15:19, 14 December 2008 (EST).

Check my user talk, please, I made a reply. (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 12:46, 15 December 2008 (EST).

Lemme know which symbols you need for the places you wanna do, and I can get them for you. Have a good day,(WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 18:24, 19 December 2008 (EST).

How?
Sorry for all the questions. How do you create symbols that looks similarr but are still different so they arent copyright for highwaysymbols. I might want to do some. Well, you said that there was someone doing int on wikipedia, canni have a link? (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 13:01, 15 December 2008 (EST).

cotm
Hey Shaund, I was wondering if in January, you could help me with Edmonton CotM? I need organisation, maps if you feel like, additional information, grammar, little stuff. Would you be at all interested? (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 12:56, 15 December 2008 (EST).

Districts revise
I'd love your opinion in Talk:Edmonton at the bottom because you are heavily involved in this. (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 14:25, 21 December 2008 (EST).
 * If we go by the new districts, would you be able to rework the map by Mid Jan? I don't think itd take long, just reconfiguring where the colours go and the names, most of it is already done.  (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee]  <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 18:08, 22 December 2008 (EST).

Powell RVR
Good work on Powell River, looks like a nice article now. (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 20:45, 22 December 2008 (EST).

The New Edmonton Districts
Seeing as I don't really see much change in opinion over the districts for Edmonton, you can start the new map. Here is a OSM map of it: Image:Edmonton-New-Districts.PNG. If you need the actual stret borders, lemme know :). I dont expect you to finish tomorrow or anything, unless you want, I mean it's the holidays.  Anyways, could you gimme roughly when this new format will be done. Also, I missed the Southeast or Southwest districts, so the SW is west of 91th Street and the Southeast is E of 91th St, both of which have 91th the border until Old Strathcona district.  Thankyou.  I should be implenting the new districts tomorrow.  Happy holidays, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee]  <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 19:32, 23 December 2008 (EST).
 * OK, so there's no "Southside" district, it's still two districts: SE and SW? (WT-en) Shaund 14:06, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * Totally! Does it make sense?  When do you think you shall get it done?  I really want to thank you for this Shaund, also, I gave a message above.  (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee]  <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 18:49, 24 December 2008 (EST).

Hi Shaund, looked at the new map - and it looks like you've got it all down right, thank you. In the near future, I'd like to ask you to add in a few more roads (you won't need to label). But don't worry about that now - enjoy your holidays :). (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee]  <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 21:22, 28 December 2008 (EST).

Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas Shaund! I just want to thank you for everything. You have been so helpful to me, with the maps, editing Edmonton, questionaire, helping me out, your opinion, Vancouver information and more. I really appreciate that. I am sorry if I seem to stick onta ya like a leech and I hope my questions aren't too much. Anyways, I really appreciate that. I hope you and your family (both close and relative) have a great Christmas. Have a great New Year. Happy holidays, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 12:48, 25 December 2008 (EST).

Jasper NP
Hey there.. Noticed the way you routeboxed Jasper NP and just wanted to mention-- if a NP has destination articles inside it, I think we should consider it to be just like a region: we routebox only the lowest level destinations, i.e. towns. In an in-line scheme it would be impossible to routebox the NP article at its borders in both directions. (WT-en) Texugo 02:27, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Botswana map
Nice effort! though, I think we should mark passenger carrying rail roads on our African country maps, since that is pretty significant for travellers in Africa, and there aren't that many of them. In case you just missed it -there is a railway between J'burg, Gaborone and Francistown (continuing into Zimbabwe, but passenger traffic across the border is halted atm). --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 12:57, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Malta page
Hi Shaund. Although I understand a logical choice of a general website link for the country Malta is visitmalta.com, may I point out the website is government funded and may provide commercial and biased info? As an alternative, or addition, perhaps www.guidetomalta.net is an option. I don't endorse the site, I just think visitmalta is overrated and not recognised for what it is, rather than the quickest site to link to.

Thanks for your work in the Wikivoyage community!

Malta
Hi Shaund. Although I understand a logical choice of a general website link for the country Malta is visitmalta.com, may I point out the website is government funded and may provide commercial and biased info? As an alternative, or addition, perhaps www.guidetomalta.net is an option. I don't endorse the site, I just think visitmalta is overrated and not recognised for what it is, rather than the quickest site to link to.

Thanks for your work in the Wikivoyage community! --preceeding comment was posted by (WT-en) Dwardumt, 19:59 30 March 2009

Vancouver CC districts
Happy to provide the second opinion, then ;) The sleep sections in the new articles seem perfectly fine to me. CBD-Yaletown's is a little longer than usual, but that seems appropriate (if difficult to map). Speaking of maps, I'd recommend choosing relatively bright, more high-contrast colors for the city center districts on the districts map&mdash;it's hard to see the breakdown at thumbnail size.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:39, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

Vancouver maps
Hey, I've been meaning to apologize for not doing the OSM map imports for Vancouver I had signed up for on the CotM! I wound up way more busy with my little D.C. project that I really wanted to just get finished. I'm still interested in doing those, although I suppose I can't give any firm commitments as to how quickly I'll get to them ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:25, 30 November 2009 (EST)

Zimbabwe svg map
Hello, can you upload svg-version Zimbabwe's region map on Shared for localization on Russian language? Thank you. (WT-en) Digr 07:16, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
 * Ok, done. (WT-en) Digr 05:24, 22 March 2010 (EDT)

Have a drink in Vancouver?
Hi Shaund, I'm a French globe-trotter who stepped into Wikivoyage about two years ago. I became administrator of the French version and I'm currently translating all the English maps into French. Thanks for your work on this! I just moved from Québec to Vancouver three months ago. What about having a drink at some point? It'll be fun to meet a Wikivoyager in real for once. (WT-en) Joelf 22:38, 1 October 2011 (EDT)

Re: Cartes
Hi Shaun,

Wow, thanks a lot for the updated maps! I'll get and add them on French WT later (I'm doing East Asia now...).

Thanks also for the fr layer. That'll make my life easier. Usually other contributors organise sublayers like: - City Names -- en -- fr

- Region Names -- en -- fr but I like your way of grouping everything for one language. That's neater.

For the map file names, so far, they are usually named in English like the SVG with language in parenthesis eg "Prairies map (fr).png" instead of "Carte_prairies.png". I can rename yours easily but just let you know for the next ones to be consistent.

Thanks a lot for the explanations too. We keep in touch!

Cheers, (WT-en) Joelf 02:47, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

Right version of Quebec regions map.svg?
Hi Shaund,

I'm working on the SVG map of Quebec. It seems that you uploaded the SVG map of Ontario in place of. Could you check it or maybe I missed something? Thanks for your help! (WT-en) Joelf 02:35, 2 November 2011 (EDT)


 * Great! Thanks for your quick answer. Sure, if you have time and will to translate European maps, you're welcome; that would save time for me to check them afterwards. I haven't really focused my work on Europe so far since I'm more interested in "difficult" countries and would like to translate African ones now. But maps are a good catch for newcomers and it never hurts to have more. Cheers, (WT-en) Joelf 00:47, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

SVG maps of Alberta and British Columbia
Hi Shaund,

I've updated the French maps of Québec, Atlantic Provinces and North of Canada. Thanks for your work on this. I'll try and translate other provinces now.
 * I can't find the SVG version of your map of Alberta. Could you upload it?
 * Is this BC SVG map wts:Image:BC_regions_map.svg the latest version matching this PNG wts:Image:BC_regions_2010.png? (there is no direct link to the original SVG)
 * I don't know why but I always have trouble with the road signs on your maps. I'm using Inkscape from Linux Ubuntu and they are either invisible like for BC or shifted like for Saskatchewan. Are you using a special layer for them? Are you using the DejaVu Sans fonts?

Thanks for your help! Cheers (WT-en) Joelf 20:44, 4 December 2011 (EST)

AB and BC maps
Hey Shaund,

Happy New Year! Thanks for the maps ; I'll translate them soon and let you know if I still have problems with road signs. Cheers, (WT-en) Joelf 20:33, 14 January 2012 (EST)

Re:Vancouver
To be fair, I visited Vancouver only once and it was almost two years ago, but I recall getting quite a bit of use out of the Wikivoyage guide before I left. It was quite useful for helping me focus on what to see - I certainly wouldn't have gone to QE Park if there wasn't that stellar picture of it in the UBC-South article, and I'm glad I made the side trip to see it!

I do have photos from my trip, but most of them are...well, honestly just not that good. It was quite cloudy the few days I went, so I think they would look rather gloomy compared to the shots that are up now. Actually, a few of my shots are already up - the pics of the cruise ship, the SkyTrain, and the UBC clock tower on the main page, as well as the poutine shot in the CBD-Yaletown article (my god, that was delicious) and the anthropology museum shot in UBC are also mine. That said, I have a couple of really good ones of the skyline in Yaletown and Stanley Park which are a little sunnier, so I can share those if you like. (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 11:49, 14 April 2012 (EDT)