User talk:SHB2000/Archive 2021



Hello, this is just an archive of my talk page. New threads get archived after 14 days of inactivity. Due to my username change in April, all threads here with my old username have been modified to have my new one. Any remaining ones will be deliberately left, either since the username is the topic issue. FYI, my old username can be deciphered by reading. So now most messages will have "SHB2000" in it, and not my old one to prevent confusion. This thread also contains messages from my IP talk page as well.

Welcome!
Hello, SHB2000! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Also I have blocked ThePikerWorm. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask! Gizza ( roam ) 03:59, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your kind message and blocking User:ThePikerWorm. I'll try and create as many Australian Articles as possible. SHB2000 (talk) 04:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I add a map to Grand Pacific Drive? Thanks, SHB2000 (talk) 04:26, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Crop tool
Welcome, and thank you for your contributions. I've cropped the banner for Golden Highway. It is actually quite easy to use the Crop Tool, so you might want to try it yourself. You copy the filename of your picture from the commons, set the ratio to 7:1, then re-size the box to select the part of the picture you want to use. A new filename is created, which you can copy before hitting the Upload button. Best regards, Ground Zero (talk) 14:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Stubs
Thank you for starting the Australian Tourist Drive articles. Are you planning to expand these articles? The Grand Pacific Drive article is pretty good, but the other articles don't really provide very much information for travellers. For example, they don't explain why you'd want to drive those routes. They also don't identify what there is to see along the way. I'm not not sure what these articles really do for the reader. I am hoping to see more, as I plan to do a driving trip in Australia in the coming years, and these articles, if they are expanded could be very useful to me. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 03:03, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes I am, when I get a little more time. Hope you have a good time here. SHB2000 (talk) 03:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Just did a run through of Tourist Drive 33, so it's probably the next one going to be written. SHB2000 (talk) 00:44, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello. Having looked at your articles, I would recommend filling out the ones you've already started before starting any more. Even the Grand Pacific Drive article doesn't have the route description, which is the most important part of an itinerary. Just look at it this way - the more time you spend on creating new stubs, the less time you've got to improve the articles you've already created. All the best, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:09, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks TravelAroundOz. I've added a map to Grand Pacific Drive. If you've added the wikidata links to destinations in your article, the map is generated automatically when you put this in the article:


 * You can zoom in with a bigger number or zoom out with a smaller number. Keep up the good work. Ground Zero (talk) 13:05, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey Ground Zero, would Tourist Drive 33 still be a stub now? SHB2000 (talk) 08:42, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Template

 * Yep, thanks. Off topic, but I've just created a template called similar to the one on en wiki. Make for people like User:ThePikerWorm (no it's for vandals not just him). Does it need approval?
 * If I may: I recommend not using it. Wikivoyage policy is deny recognition. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:41, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I see. Definitely, not like en.wiki or commons SHB2000 (talk) 10:48, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Nope. Although "deny recognition" is a Wikipedia guideline, too, it's not at all universally observed there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:00, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * TAO: With fewer active editors and fewer administrators, the Wikivoyage community has found it necessary to take much faster action with vandals. The Wikipedia approach of being gentle and encouraging them to become constructive editors doesn't work here: we usually move very quickly to shut them down. We have had to deal with several very persistent vandals who are clever at exploiting the system, so we block very quickly, and hide their vandalism from view to discourage them. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 12:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I see. Definitely different from en wiki. SHB2000 (talk) 06:05, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

[Outdent] Further on templates: Before you make loads and loads of templates, please read Using MediaWiki templates:

''Before a new MediaWiki template is put into general use it needs to be discussed and accepted as good or preferably best practice. Until such acceptance, new templates will be tagged, and should not be added to more than one low-visibility article—so not Paris. (If other editors object to that addition, though, expect it to be removed until a consensus is reached.) If new templates fail to gain community support, they will eventually be deleted.''[etc.]

And what are you doing, redirecting your user talk page? I've never seen this done before, and it strikes me as hostile to all other users and smacks of vandalism to me. I would urge you to put this back into your standard user talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:05, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Formatting
Hey TAO, I restored my edits on this article. Wikivoyage, like other travel guides, tries to use a consistent style for formatting times and dates, phone numbers, prices, and do on. It makes it easier for the reader to find information quickly. Using a variety of styles, as the article did before I cleaned it up, makes it looks sloppy and unreliable. Wv:tdf sets out one style for countries that use the 24-hour clock (e.g., 09:00-17:00), and one style for countries that use the 12-hour clock (e.g., 9AM-5PM). A destination article should never use both formats, as this one did — it's more confusing for the reader. The talk page for each country article identifies the style we use for that country's articles in a box at the top of the page.

If you disagree with Wikivoyage style, or with the style selected for any country, you can propose changes on the appropriate talk page.

Also, the edits you undid included a bunch of capitalisation, grammar, punctuation and formatting corrections. I have restored the lot of them. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 01:59, 7 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Whoops, sorry about that. But which page do I go to? SHB2000 (talk) 02:05, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * As well as that, would Tourist Drive 33 still be a stub now or an outline. SHB2000 (talk) 02:06, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You restored a mix of formatting styles, so I'm not really clear what it is you are trying to do. If you disagree with Wikivoyage time formatting, raise it at Wikivoyage talk:Time and date formats. If you think we should use the 24-hour format in Aus articles, raise it at Talk:Australia. Ground Zero (talk) 03:05, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm saying we should use 24hr time in Aussie articles. But would TD33 be a stub now? SHB2000 (talk) 03:07, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I have upgraded Torist Drive 33 to "outline". I think it would be "usable" if each of the places under "Drive" had a short description. Ground Zero (talk) 03:09, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Cheers mate, I'll do it in the next 3 days. SHB2000 (talk) 03:11, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * All of the places under "drive" now have a description and as such, would it now be usable. SHB2000 (talk) 08:33, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Welcoming
Hi again.

Thanks for your efforts with sending welcome messages, but would you mind leaving that to other users until you get more experience editing? Part of the purpose of such messages is for the new user to have someone to contact if they need any help but don't know how to use or aren't aware other resources like article talk pages, the Pub, Arrivals lounge etc. In this event, it's best for the person who helps them to have at least a few months' experience, otherwise it's likely they won't know the best way to help. There's also no point welcoming users with no editing history on Wikivoyage; we normally wait until either a person has made several edits or until one of their edits requires discussion. You can see a user's contributions by looking in the left sidebar on their user page, or else by searching Special/Contribution:username.

Finally, remember that whenever you post on a talk page, it's important to sign your post by typing four tildes in a row like this: ~. You'd think after 20 years, the Wikimedia Foundation would have devised a way for talk page posts to sign automatically on desktop mode, but unfortunately they haven't.

Any questions, don't hesitate to ask. The tourist drives are coming together nicely.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:21, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Sure mate SHB2000 (talk) 11:24, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Also hard to believe 20 years. SHB2000 (talk) 11:28, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Ikr. I don't think I was aware of Wikipedia till about 2006.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:32, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Also, I'm a bit confused on what to name Alternate Tourist Drive 24. Should I put "(Queensland)" in brackets or not? Not many people will know where it is, unlike 33.


 * If there's another road called Alternate Tourist Drive 24 somewhere else in the world, then yes add "(Queensland)". But if not, it doesn't matter how obscure the route is, it doesn't need disambiguating.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The thing is, I don't know. Tourist Drives are so poorly maintained in all states except NSW, QLD and WA. One thing for sure is that all WA tourist drives are covered on enwiki. Nothing about NSW or QLD. I also don't know about anything in Victoria as it's so poorly maintained that even the signs lead to nowhere there. SHB2000 (talk) 12:05, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. In that case, maybe just assume there isn't another one, as it's quite a specific name. If in the future someone wants to create an article for another unknown "Alternate Tourist Drive 24", a disambiguation can be created then.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Aggressive archiving
Why are you archiving a 7-day-old post in Talk:Sydney? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:38, 14 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Well Ikan, it isn't a post to question but to just tell you guys about the change. SHB2000 (talk) 07:50, 15 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Didn't I reply to this? 7 days is way too short to even expect people to see a post. I urge you to wait at least 2-3 months before archiving anything. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

G'day
Thanks for the Aussie barn compass. Australia is high on my list of places to visit when the world gets back to normal. If you haven't seen this already, I think it would be useful for you: Itinerary status shows the criteria for upgrading itinerary articles from stub to outline to usable to guide. Happy editing. Ground Zero (talk) 14:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate. I'll just have to wait till we get the Traveloca thing sorted out. SHB2000 (talk)02:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Additionally, are there too much images on Tourist Drive 33 or is it just fine. SHB2000 (talk) 04:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Image policy says:
 * "Short articles (less than 3,000 bytes) should usually have no more than 1–2 images, including a map. For longer articles, 1 image per screen (1,000–2,000 bytes) is generally adequate."
 * You're easily within that guideline. I think it looks fine. Ground Zero (talk) 13:03, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I guess I can have 18ish images since the article is 18k+ bytes. Cheers though, SHB2000 (talk) 11:27, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd read that as 9-18, but 18 sounds like a lot of images. I don't think that would get advisable. We don't want our articles to burn through readers' mobile data. Ground Zero (talk) 12:17, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think I even have 12 images. SHB2000 (talk) 20:18, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

There are 9 including the banner 82.3.185.12 08:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Might add a tenth one. SHB2000 (talk) - 10:02, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Name change
Note: ''This section has my old username for those that are curious. It has been deliberately been left, as the topic is about the username.''

Hey, TravelAroundOz (or SHB2000 now). Was just checking w:WP:PERM over at Wikipedia and a little surprised to see you there instead of here. I just noticed the name change -- any particular reason? Just friendly curiosity, hope you're doing well and it wasn't about anything bad. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 07:54, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * So it doesn't get confused with this person, in this case who I amn't. SHB2000 (talk) 08:33, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * And now I edit both WP and WV. SHB2000 (talk) 08:33, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you ever planning to change your name back? 82.3.185.12 09:04, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Nope. SHB2000 (talk) 09:06, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

April Fools suggestions page
Hi, I pinged you to this page, however since you changed your name literally less than an hour ago, I don't know if the ping reached you. 82.3.185.12 08:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, I did receive the ping but I was editing Tourist Drive 30 at the time SHB2000 (talk) 08:45, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Tourist Drive 1
Hi, SHB2000. It looks like I created a problem, since I didn't wait long enough to hear from you about whether you were going to create more Tourist Drive 1 articles and moved the one in Central New South Wales to just Tourist Drive 1. There are a bunch of roads with the same name in different Australian states, then? It looks like I need to revert that name change and just spell out New South Wales because we don't use abbreviations for states on this site as a matter of style and because we don't expect people from outside a given country to know such abbreviations. Sorry about that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I see you fixed the problem. Thanks, and sorry again for ignorantly changing the name. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:51, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Though thanks for alerting me about the name issue. By the way, there are 5 Tourist Drive 1's I know of, with three in New South Wales SHB2000 (talk)  06:53, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I guess that's somewhat similar to how we could have the same numbering for an interstate highway, a federal road, a state road and a county road in any given U.S. state. We don't have roads specifically called tourist roads, though, as far as I know. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:58, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * No, that's an Aussie thing. Infact, Australia still has 8 different numbering systems similar to the US system

i.e.


 * National Highway
 * National Route
 * State Route
 * Metroads (even though there are only two remaining)
 * Alphanumeric (similar to Europe)
 * National Highway Alphanumeric
 * Tourist Drive/Ways
 * Detour route (note that whoever edited Highways in Australia must've assumed its an alphanumeric even though it really isn't.

But surely there'd be strategic tourist routes in the US (unsigned, just information maps) SHB2000 (talk)  09:35, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * There are scenic routes, though they're usually numbered like any other and just marked with extra dotted lines on paper maps, for anyone who still uses those. I can think of one private road that has beautiful scenery and charges a toll, though. It's called the 17-Mile Drive and it's in Carmel, California. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:45, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Why charge a toll on a scenic road??? SHB2000 (talk)  10:10, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Because they can. :-) But I mentioned it because that's exceptional. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:07, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Man, I should stop complaining about the toll in Toowoomba, a regional city. This is just a road while that's a motorway ;) SHB2000 (talk)  20:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

An award for you

 * Cheers mate, and yes I am hoping to create an article for every major tourist drive in Australia. Just passed my 1000th edit :) SHB2000 (talk)  20:13, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Road travel between Adelaide/Melbourne -- itinerary potential?
Dropping in a word on your talk page, because you definitely have a lot more experience with the road articles than me. Do you think there's any solid potential for an article on overland travel (possibly including the bus and train routes as well as driving) between Adelaide-Melbourne, and would you be interested in helping out on one? I know it's a bit outside your usual geographic remit, but it's a trip I make regularly and I've been floating the idea of writing on it. Some of the closer-together capital cities, especially for ones outside the southeast bubble, so in my experience road trips and train/bus travel is fairly common. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 05:39, 19 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Sure.


 * On a side note I'm actually terrible with roads, and my knowledge to contributing is past experience on those roads on those guides or travel guides/brochures. But Yes, we could make Adelaide-Melbourne by car. SHB2000 (talk)  05:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Also a reason why I rarely edit WA/NT/Tas related itinerary articles SHB2000 (talk)  05:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

also note I'm happy to edit outside of NSW like with Strzelecki Track. SHB2000 (talk)  11:22, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

"Do not be an irresponsible person"
I don't think we should include that scolding tone in any warnings. IMO, let's just give readers information and trust that they won't be idiots, or that if they are, scolding all readers will if anything produce the opposite effect in them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:50, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure, will fix it up. SHB2000 (talk)  05:18, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:25, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Re:Floods
G'day SHB, thankfully we haven't been hit that hard. But I appreciate you asking. There have been a few small leaks of water that have gotten inside the home and the back and frontyards are drenched. Hope you are staying safe and dry. What a crazy time the last couple of years have been. First the bushfires/drought, then Covid and now the floods (and of course Covid still isn't over yet). Gizza ( roam ) 07:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Oy! I didn't realize you were in Australia. I wish you the best. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Agree. First the strawberries, then the drought, then bushfires, then COVID now floods. SHB2000 (talk)  07:19, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I was fortunate enough to get this, this and this SHB2000 (talk)  07:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * , Yes, DaGizza is the only other editor I know who lives in Sydney. SHB2000 (talk)  08:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-12
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Problems
 * You will be able to read but not edit twelve wikis for a short period of time on at 06:00 (UTC). This can also affect password changes, logging in to new wikis, global renames and changing or confirming emails. This could take 30 minutes but will probably be much faster.

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An award for you

 * Thanks so much. I wish the same for Stratford (Victoria) as well. SHB2000 (talk)  05:16, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Outline vs. stub
Hi. Outlines have a template, regardless of whether they have content. Stubs don't have a template. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:47, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll take that for next time as I was unaware of that. It's rather weird how it works as generally outlines are meant to give more information to the reader but it's weird when it comes to Great Alpine Road (incomplete) and these useless articles written by User:EnglishEP (translated) haven't even been modified. Anyway, have a good day and stay safe. Thanks, SHB2000 (talk)  08:34, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You too. How's the flooding now? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * All gone, was a 32˚ day yesterday. SHB2000 (talk)  20:14, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-13
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 * Some very old web browsers don’t work well with the Wikimedia wikis. Some old code for browsers that used to be supported is being removed. This could cause issues in those browsers.
 * Octicons-tools.svg IRC recent changes feeds have been moved to a new server. Make sure all tools automatically reconnect to  and not to the name of any specific server. Users should also consider switching to the more modern EventStreams.

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17:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Usernames followed by 2-3 numbers
These are socks of the Telstra guy at least 80% of the time, so best not to waste time posting to their user talk pages. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:26, 31 March 2021 (UTC)


 * That Brendon John Williams guy? Out of curiosity, how'd you find out his real name? SHB2000 (talk)  10:28, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Wait never mind, his original usernane was it. SHB2000 (talk)  10:31, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

, would Slimmil689 be one? SHB2000 (talk)  10:48, 31 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Yep. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:43, 31 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I see it's a vandalism only account. SHB2000 (talk)  03:32, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Your revert
You reverted my edit to Innamincka with the edit comment "exception. see the pub for discussion". I don't see it over there. Please explain. --FredTC (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * See SHB2000 (talk)   05:29, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #462
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 


 * Events
 * Past : "InChI and InChIKey in Wikidata and Scholia", https://zenodo.org/record/4633789
 * Ongoing: 30 Lexic-o-days, events and projects around lexicographical data, continues until April 14th. (full schedule, details and links here)
 * April 5-11: Climate Lexeme Week
 * April 7: Data import for Lexemes: how to add a lot of content in your language
 * April 8: Documentation Q&A
 * April 8: Leveraging text corpora for curating lexicographical data
 * April 10: Lingua Libre, how you can record words in your language and use them on Wikidata
 * Upcoming: Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: Cliff Landis (Digital Initiatives Librarian, Atlanta University Center Robert W. Woodruff Library) on “GaNCH: Using Wikidata for Georgia's Natural, Cultural, and Historic Organizations' Disaster Response.” April 6th.
 * Upcoming: LIVE Wikidata editing #39 - YouTube, Facebook, April 10
 * Upcoming: Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #57, April 11
 * Upcoming: OSM TW x Wikidata Taiwan Meetup 2021-04-12
 * Upcoming: Wikidata Lab XXVII: WikiProject Brazilian Laws (English), supported by WikiCite, April 13
 * Upcoming: Wikidata Bug Triage Hour about Entity Schemas / shape expressions, April 19
 * Upcoming: Wikidata Lab XXVIII: Aplicativos de metadados (Portuguese), on metadata apps, April 29


 * Press, articles, blog posts, videos
 * Blogs
 * Adicionando cientistas ao sistema Wikidata/Scholia (Portuguese)
 * Papers
 * Mining Wikidata for Name Resources for African Languages "fostering development of technology for the languages of Africa with a Wikidata-derived resource of lists of 1.9M names across 28 African languages".
 * Videos
 * SPARQL queries around lexemes, words, lexicography (in French) by VIGNERON - YouTube
 * Editing lexemes on Wikidata (in Swedish) by Ainali - YouTube
 * WikiActivate sessions introduction to Wikidata - YouTube 1, 2
 * LIVE Wikidata editing #38 - YouTube, Facebook
 * Launch of Climate Lexeme Week (Youtube, Facebook)
 * Launch of Climate Lexeme Week (Youtube, Facebook)


 * Tool of the week
 * QRank is a tool providing a rank for Wikidata entities based on page view statistics from several Wikimedia projects.


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * The final version of the Wikibase Yearly Summary 2020 has been published.
 * Wikidata Lexeme Forms now supports additional Breton templates (Source)
 * User:Nikki/LexemeAddIPA.js userscript adds a link in the header for forms on lexeme pages which opens a dialog for adding IPA statements to forms that do not have any yet.
 * LexSAOB adds Svenska Akademiens ordbok (SAOB) identifiers to Swedish lexemes in Wikidata.


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 * External identifiers: CNN contributor ID, Our Campaigns race ID, Proveana ID, Storybook ID, Wissens-Aggregator Mittelalter und Frühe Neuzeit (WIAG) ID, National Association of Teachers of Singing member ID, The World Factbook country ID, SonyLIV show ID, EGID, Letecká badatelna accident ID, Camptocamp ID, National Inventory of Dams ID, PeakVisor ID, PeakVisor range ID, PeakVisor area ID, PeakVisor park ID, Urban Archive ID, bridgesport.ru player ID, Catalogue of the General State Archives ID, Podchaser Creator Id, La Réunion des Livres ID, vindskyddskartan.se ID, naturkartan.se ID, ANPI place numeric ID, Russians of Latvia ID, Virginia House of Delegates ID, Generals of World War II ID, DCinemaToday Organization ID, Swedish Bioguiden Movie Theater ID, bio.se Movie Theater ID, Encyclopedia of Jewish Women ID, Terras Indígenas ID, Personnel de l'administration préfectorale ID, Europalexikon ID, Politiklexikon ID, Encyklopedie antropologie ID


 * Query examples:
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 * Women whose article on English Wikipedia has the featured article badge (source)
 * Map of males and females after which streets are named (Leiden, NL) (source)
 * Map of birthplaces of trans women and men with articles in the Basque Wikipedia (source)
 * Map of institutions where UNR faculty got their academic degrees (source)
 * Map of location of sense usage (P6084) by language
 * Botanists with image of signature and optional IPNI author ID (source)
 * Subclasses of musical instrument with the most individual instances (source, result starts with: bell, organ)
 * list of U.S. state songs, anthems, marches, hymns, cantatas, or missing (source)
 * [https://query.wikidata.org/embed.html#%23defaultView%3AMap%7B%22hide%22%3A%5B%22%3Fcoords%22%2C%20%22%3Fline%22%2C%20%22%3Frgb%22%2C%20%22%3Flayer%22%5D%7D%0ASELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fimg%20%3Fgeoref%20%3Fproportion%20%3Fcoords%20%3Fline%20%3Frgb%20%3Flayer%0A%0AWITH%20%7B%0A%20%20SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3Fimg%20%3Fgeoref%20%3Fcoords%20%3Flat%20%3Flon%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP195%20wd%3AQ7100888%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP5140%20%3Fcoord_stmt%20.%0A%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP9361%20%3Fgeoref%7D%20.%0A%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP18%20%3Fimg%7D%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fcoord_stmt%20ps%3AP5140%20%3Fcoords%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fcoord_stmt%20psv%3AP5140%20%2F%20wikibase%3AgeoLatitude%20%3Flat%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fcoord_stmt%20psv%3AP5140%20%2F%20wikibase%3AgeoLongitude%20%3Flon%20.%0A%20%20%7D%20%0A%7D%20AS%20%25points%0A%0AWITH%20%7B%0A%20%20SELECT%20%3Fline%20%3Flayer%20%3Frgb%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20INCLUDE%20%25points%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP47%20%3Fitem2%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fitem2%20p%3AP5140%20%3Fcoord2_stmt%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fcoord2_stmt%20psv%3AP5140%20%2F%20wikibase%3AgeoLatitude%20%3Flat2%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fcoord2_stmt%20psv%3AP5140%20%2F%20wikibase%3AgeoLongitude%20%3Flon2%20.%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28CONCAT%28%27LINESTRING%20%28%27%2C%20STR%28%3Flon%29%2C%20%27%20%27%2C%20STR%28%3Flat%29%2C%20%27%2C%27%2C%20STR%28%3Flon2%29%2C%20%27%20%27%2C%20STR%28%3Flat2%29%2C%20%27%29%27%29%20AS%20%3Fstr%29%20.%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28STRDT%28%3Fstr%2C%20geo%3AwktLiteral%29%20AS%20%3Fline%29%20.%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28%27adjacent%27%20AS%20%3Flayer%29%20.%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28%27FF0000%27%20AS%20%3Frgb%29%20.%0A%20%20%7D%0A%7D%20AS%20%25lines%0A%0AWITH%20%7B%0A%20%20SELECT%20%3Fline%20%3Flayer%20%3Frgb%20%3Fproportion%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20INCLUDE%20%25points%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP3179%20%3Fstmt%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fstmt%20ps%3AP3179%20%3Fitem2%20.%0A%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%3Fstmt%20pq%3AP1107%20%3Fprop1%7D%20.%0A%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%3Fitem2%20p%3AP3179%20%3Fstmt2%20.%20%3Fstmt2%20ps%3AP3179%20%3Fitem%20.%20%3Fstmt2%20pq%3AP1107%20%3Fprop2%7D%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28IF%28bound%28%3Fprop2%29%20%26%26%20bound%28%3Fprop1%29%20%26%26%20%28%3Fprop2%20%3E%20%3Fprop1%29%2C%20%3Fprop2%2C%20%3Fprop1%29%20AS%20%3Fprop%29%20.%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28COALESCE%28%3Fprop%2C%20%3Fprop1%2C%20%3Fprop2%29%20AS%20%3Fproportion%29%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fitem2%20p%3AP5140%20%3Fcoord2_stmt%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fcoord2_stmt%20psv%3AP5140%20%2F%20wikibase%3AgeoLatitude%20%3Flat2%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fcoord2_stmt%20psv%3AP5140%20%2F%20wikibase%3AgeoLongitude%20%3Flon2%20.%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28CONCAT%28%27LINESTRING%20%28%27%2C%20STR%28%3Flon%29%2C%20%27%20%27%2C%20STR%28%3Flat%29%2C%20%27%2C%27%2C%20STR%28%3Flon2%29%2C%20%27%20%27%2C%20STR%28%3Flat2%29%2C%20%27%29%27%29%20AS%20%3Fstr%29%20.%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28STRDT%28%3Fstr%2C%20geo%3AwktLiteral%29%20AS%20%3Fline%29%20.%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28%27overlap%27%20AS%20%3Flayer%29%20%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28%270000AA%27%20AS%20%3Frgb%29%20.%0A%20%20%7D%0A%7D%20AS%20%25lines2%0A%0A%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%7B%20INCLUDE%20%25lines%20%7D%20%0A%20%20UNION%0A%20%20%7B%20INCLUDE%20%25lines2%20%7D%20%0A%20%20UNION%0A%20%20%7B%20INCLUDE%20%25points%20.%20BIND%28%27points%27%20AS%20%3Flayer%29%20.%20BIND%28%27FF0000%27%20AS%20%3Frgb%29%7D%20.%0A%20%20%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%7D%0A%0A Adjacency map of Ordnance Survey Old Series preparatory drawings] (source)
 * Ordinals in all languages/notations: 0th to 100th (source)
 * locked-room mysteries (source)


 * Development
 * We continued to make improvements to the Query builder. We worked on adding a footer to the Query Builder (T268643) and showing all relevant columns in the query result (T277646) as well as querying for dates (T272697)
 * Fixed a bug where Item pages scrolls back to "In more languages" block after every change of DOM (T277999, being deployed to Wikidata later this week)
 * Continued working on a new grafana graph to track editor numbers split by namespace (T275999)
 * Finished a small tool to get the ORES quality score for a list of Items. Waiting for deployment to toolforge for broader use now.
 * Defined remaining work for redirect sitelink exceptions (T278962)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Mohammed Sadat (WMDE) 13:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Welcoming new users again
Again, thanks for participating in this. However, Rodolfo2083‎‎ has no contributions, and that username suggests a likelihood of possibly being another sockpuppet of the Telstra guy. I'd suggest waiting a least a couple of posts before welcoming anyone. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:02, 8 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late response, I've been out since Tuesday and now have my space key fixed. Thought the telstra guy's sock's are only 2-3 digits. Though I suppose he'd slowly start to change his editing habits/usernames. SHB2000 (talk)  09:53, 9 April 2021 (UTC)


 * But in any case, there's generally no point in welcoming someone who hasn't even made a single edit. The only time I do that is when their username suggests they are tour agency owners or something, and even then, preemptive advice not to tout or violate other Wikivoyage guidelines is almost never successful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Vaucluse
Hi there. Naming_conventions states that "one place is so much more famous than others with the same name" shouldn't be disambiguated. I would say this is probably the case with Vaucluse (France), especially since Vaucluse (New South Wales) doesn't even have an article, and possibly never will, given that it's covered by Sydney/Eastern Suburbs. I'd therefore like to revert your page move.

If there's a chance that the Vaucluse in NSW will get an article one day, or if you're planning to make one, then the disambig page can be transferred to Vaucluse (disambiguation). What do you think? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Sure. Vaucluse (New South Wales) is unlikely to get its own page for the next four years. Feel free to revert the move. SHB2000 (talk)  12:43, 9 April 2021 (UTC)


 * , somethings preventing me from moving Vaucluse (France) to Vaucluse. SHB2000 (talk)  12:48, 9 April 2021 (UTC)


 * No worries, I've done it. The Vaucluse page needed to be deleted in order to overwrite it.
 * Is there some significance to "the next four years" with regard to Vaucluse, NSW?--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:54, 9 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The Eastern Suburbs will probably be too big for its own article and need to be broken down into smaller sections. La Perouse (can NSW have more french names) is sort of an exception as you can't fit all of what's there into the Eastern Suburbs article. SHB2000 (talk)  12:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Looking at a Greater Sydney rail map (yes, I collect train maps of places I'll probably never visit, don't judge me), I'm always struck by the number of place names borrowed seemingly at random from unremarkable towns in and around London - Bexley, Stanmore, Croydon, Lewisham, Richmond... - and wonder how they stack up against the originals.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:26, 9 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Agree, it's only the last 20 years where names have been changing to indigenous names. Some hard to pronounce ones as well like Oodnadatta, Kununurra, Wooloomooloo, Kiwirakurra. There's also a bunch of other UK names in NSW like Liverpool, Cardiff (yes, when someone says cardiff, i think of cardiff, nsw and not cardiff, wales), Gloucester, Forster, Goulburn, Griffith, Camden (the origin of our Griffith is from Burley Griffin and not from the UK Griffith), Bathurst, Windsor and to say, there's a lot more than what I've mentioned. SHB2000 (talk)  21:45, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-14
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Editors can collapse part of an article so you have to click on it to see it. When you click a link to a section inside collapsed content it will now expand to show the section. The browser will scroll down to the section. Previously such links didn't work unless you manually expanded the content first.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-tools.svg The citoid API will use for example  instead of   for dates with a month but no days. This is because   could be confused with   instead of  . This is called level 1 instead of level 0 in the Extended Date/Time Format.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg PAWS can now connect to the new Wiki Replicas. Cross-database  will no longer work from 28 April. There is a new way to connect to the databases. Until 28 April both ways to connect to the databases will work. If you think this affects you and you need help you can post on Phabricator or on Wikitech.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe. 

19:41, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

- Re. the pub and the dates, The tech update that I received a week ago. SHB2000 (talk) 23:17, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * That’s not what I meant. What I meant was whenever I update a template, it replaces subst:#time:Y-m-d with 2021-04-11 or whatever the date is. 82.3.185.12 16:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: March 2021
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A barncompass for you!

 * You gave me one so I thought I’d return the favour. :) 82.3.185.12 11:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks at lot. Really appreciate this. My third barncompass. SHB2000 (talk) 11:48, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


 * You’re welcome! Enjoy the rest of your day! 82.3.185.12 11:51, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I better go and sleep soon. It's currently 21.53 here. SHB2000 (talk) 11:53, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok. Goodnight then! 82.3.185.12 11:56, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


 * And good afternoon to you. Been waiting 3 mins to post this :) SHB2000 (talk) 12:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Until I realised just now that daylight savings has begun. SHB2000 (talk) 12:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it’s 13:05 now. 82.3.185.12 12:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Our clocks have just gone back an hour now :) SHB2000 (talk) 12:06, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I thought you were going to bed now. 82.3.185.12 13:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm a person who doesn't go to bed til 2300h. SHB2000 (talk) 00:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I see. 82.3.185.12 07:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * or even 2330h. SHB2000 (talk) 07:49, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Date
You forgot to change the date. I changed it for you. 82.3.185.12 13:18, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I’m not used to editing on mobile so it’s easy to forget. Take care SHB2000 (talk) 13:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you! 82.3.185.12 07:46, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #463
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 


 * Discussions
 * New request for comments: Is it worth to import labels from interlanguage links of other wikipedia projects to wikidata


 * Events
 * Upcoming: Wikidata Lab XXVII - Gathering and modelling of metadata pertaining to all Brazilian laws. April 13, 14-18 (UTC-3). register
 * Upcoming: closing of d:Wikidata:Events/30 lexic-o-days 2021, April 14. If you participated in the contribution month, please drop a line about your work on the outcomes page.
 * Upcoming: LIVE Wikidata editing #40 - YouTube, Facebook, April 17
 * Upcoming: Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #58, April 18
 * Upcoming: Wikidata Bug Triage Hour about Entity Schemas / shape expressions, April 19


 * Press, articles, blog posts, videos
 * Papers
 * Much more than a mere technology: A systematic review of Wikidata in libraries, by Karim Tharani
 * Videos
 * LIVE Wikidata editing #39 - YouTube, Facebook
 * Data imports for Wikidata Lexemes (panel discussion 30 Lexicodays) (Youtube, Commons)
 * Leveraging text corpora for curating lexicographical data (30 Lexicodays) (Youtube, Commons)
 * Wiki2Prop: A Multi-Modal Approach for Predicting Wikidata Properties from Wikipedia - YouTube
 * Wiki World Heritage User Group: Capacity Building Wikidata Training - YouTube


 * Tool of the week
 * EditSum, a user script which allows to attach custom summary text to any label/statement/sitelink/etc. modification.


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * A simple portal of women that study metabolomics powered by Wikidata
 * Do you have any cool Wikidata tips and tricks that you use? Share them with everyone on Twitter under the hashtag #WikidataTips
 * Entitree is a graph generator that can display family trees, but also other graphs like taxa or company subsidiaries.
 * Royal Trees, powered by Wikidata is an interactive website that shows royal family trees, for all royal families worldwide. See an example of Philip Duke of Edinburgh.


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: personal library at
 * External identifiers: ScoreStorybook company ID, Camptocamp ID, Biblio.com ID, CNN contributor ID, IFVPF ID, Musikasten ID, OregonFlora taxon ID, Demozoo group ID, Image Comics creator ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: Commons-Kategorie für Portraits, pH, taxonomic treatment, Degrees day, NBM identifier, size of unit under command, Archdiocese of Liverpool identifier
 * External identifiers: HistoryLink essay number, National Provider Identifier, Singers.com ID, Oregon State Parks ID, Washington State Parks ID, Wikiroute ID, ID v Databázi periodického tisku pro veřejnost, GLEI RAL, OpenCorporates register id, OpenCorporates register jurisdiction, hPSCreg ID, Den Danske Ordbog article ID, Den Danske Ordbog idiom ID, Biographia Benedictina ID, Gyldendals Teaterleksikon ID, Trap Danmark ID


 * Query examples:
 * Danish lexemes matched to sentences (Source)
 * Twitter usernames and number of subscribers (Source)
 * Latin American musicians without a Wikipedia article in Spanish but with an article in another language (Source)


 * Development
 * Started research and collecting material for the work on improvements to the Lexeme UI and prepared the first interviews
 * Finishing up the work on the first version of the Query Builder. We still need to get the security review before we can deploy it properly. Current state can be tested on the test system.
 * Finalized the dashboard to see the number of (active/very active) editors split by namespace. See the graphs at the bottom of this dashboard.
 * Continued working on the remaining pieces needed to fully support editing statements on Senses of a Lexeme (T199896)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Mohammed Sadat (WMDE) 16:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

2 maps in an article?
Hi everyone,

This might seem very odd but am I allowed to have two maps in Innamincka. One's for the 1.5km long town centre and the other is for the vast Innamincka. The problem is, they're either too close to each other or too far. Solution: A controversial request for two maps.

Is it okay?

Thanks, SHB2000 (talk)  04:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Since these are dynamic maps, that's probably not necessary. You can pick a kind of compromise zoom level and let readers click the map to zoom in or out for more location info. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:18, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * @SHB2000, have you considered a rectangular map? WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)


 * , how do you do that? SHB2000 (talk)  05:28, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Like this, if you want the default/auto-zoom approach. Since you have one marker in a different town, you may want to put a location and/or zoom level back in. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:48, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I feel like in this case a "compromise" in zoom level would leave both purposes unsatisfied. I use two maps where necessary; see, for example, Niagara Falls (New York). Powers (talk) 02:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I would probably add the latitude, longitude and zoom parameters for the mapframe to center map and zoom in on the main area. You can use the width and height parameters to make the dynamic map into a rectangle if so desired. Two maps are probably acceptable but I think one map would suffice. Best wishes! -- Matroc (talk) 05:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks guys, I've decided to remove the second map and incorporate both Ikan Kekek's and WhatamIdoing's ideas. Considering that for it to be a proper guide, it'll need 4 maps. (Town centre, greater Innamincka, Birdsville and Moomba) SHB2000 (talk)  09:09, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Facebook pages
I agree with your edit here, but only because the hotel has its own website. If a business has no website but has its own Facebook page, we link it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:38, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I've done that before. Can't remember which article though. By the way, done wikivoyage have it's own insta page? SHB2000 (talk) 05:46, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I doubt it. Commons is the Wiki with the photos, but I'm guessing there's no Wiki with an Instagram page. I could be wrong, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:42, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Checking it, there's only bn and ru pages. Plus wikitravel. SHB2000 (talk) 06:44, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Unilateral policy changes
Making a policy change without discussion and implementing it across a bunch of articles is always a bad idea. I'm sure that you believe you're right — and you very well may be right — but the approach you've taken does kind of say to everyone else that any views they may have on the subject are irrelevant, which leaves a bad taste.

I know you mean well, and you are a very constructive contributor. That is why I am addressing this to you on your talk page. Ground Zero (talk) 00:14, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Attribution
When using text from Wikipedia, I've been following the advice at Cooperating with Wikipedia, I.d.,
 * "When copying text from Wikipedia (or any other CC-SA site) you must provide attribution to the original authors. Attribution is generally provided by pasting the URL for the source article version (see below) into the "edit summary" box, and/or you can use the Wikipedia template."

I've been pasting the URL into the edit summary box. The way I read the passage above, this is sufficient. Also using the Wikipedia template is fine to do, but I don't think it is necessary under the policy. Do you disagree? Ground Zero (talk) 01:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Just incase. I mean, there's no harm in not doing it but I'll do it otherwise what's the purpose of the template. SHB2000 (talk) 05:09, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Admins' watchlists
What do you mean by "'I would expect admins, at least, to monitor this page.' - But no, only a non admin is monitoring this page"? The page is on the list of pages admins are explicitly asked to monitor, and several admins have commented on the thread above your comment. I haven't commented in the thread as I have little to say for the moment. (Except that: You can disable e-mail from named users, if that's any help.) –LPfi (talk) 06:18, 16 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Very sorry about ignoring the rest of all the admins. As User:Ikan Kekek said, it's frustrating being constantly attacked. Btw, thanks for the suggestion. I only haven't disabled it incase if User:82.3.185.12 chooses to create an account one day. SHB2000 (talk) 06:45, 16 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I think there is a value in being able to send and receive e-mail. The preferences item I suggested allows disabling e-mail from a certain user (or a list of users). It does not help against somebody creating new accounts all the time, and non-logged in users cannot send wikimail anyhow. –LPfi (talk) 05:50, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Additionally, I'm not going to disable it because for the 98% of good faith users, I'm not going to ruin it for them because of the 2% minority that ruins and destroys Wikimedia Projects. By disabling it, I'm just letting the vandal/harasser win. SHB2000 (talk) 12:43, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Edit summary
I think your edit summary here was a bit careless, as you shouldn't want everybody watching latest changes reading that. No problem this time, and I see you changed it for the next test. –LPfi (talk) 08:21, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I didn't want someone to think that it was someone impersonating me. SHB2000 (talk) 08:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, but telling what you were testing, when what is in there is a secret, is problematic. –LPfi (talk) 08:31, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay. But why is it a secret? SHB2000 (talk) 08:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * If it weren't, they wouldn't be hidden for non-admins. They are never perfect, and if you know what they catch, they are easier to evade. –LPfi (talk) 08:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I see. And re reading this, I don't know how I'd've reacted when I saw this in RC. SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 08:58, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * And out of curiosity, do you know what 41.44.242.207 had wrote on my talk page? SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 09:00, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * This was also careless and not very kind. Please remember that everyone deserves respect. If everything Antandrus claimed is true, then through no fault of their own mental illness has completely ruined that person's life and has also caused them to inflict a lot of pain on other people.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:06, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes. That was the prime concern of a friend of mine when I told about the situation. She was worried that he doesn't get the support he would need from the local society – which probably is true, but something we cannot do much about. There are things we have to do here for our readers and to protect ourselves, but let's try not to make it any worse than needed.


 * SHB2000: I can read what he wrote, at least one message. I suppose you got more or less the same message by e-mail.


 * –LPfi (talk) 18:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Well, in his emails, he said he doesn't have mental health issues, (email me for a copy of that email) and the revision got deleted so I can't access it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 22:07, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Plus, "to have no life" is a common Australian slang used for someone who frequently does stupid things. I should reduce my use of slangs. SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 22:09, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #464
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 


 * Events
 * Past: Wikidata - HackaLOD Online sessions (replay in Dutch)
 * Upcoming: SPARQL queries live on Twitch and in French by Vigneron, April 20 at 18:00 CEST
 * Upcoming: Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: Alexandra Wong on experiences and workflows for linking archival collections to Wikidata. There will also be a recap of insights from the recent Canadian archivists’ panel on Wikidata by the University and College Archives Special Interest Section (UCASIS) of the Association of Canadian Archivists (ACA). Agenda, April 20
 * Upcoming: Wikipedia Weekley Network - Biodiversity edition: iNaturalist place ID YouTube, Facebook, April 23
 * Upcoming: LIVE Wikidata editing #41 - YouTube, Facebook, April 24
 * Upcoming: 25 April - WikidataDays Sessions II, an online editing session dedicated to democracy and political parties, coinciding with the celebration of Freedom Day.
 * Upcoming: Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #59, April 25


 * Press, articles, blog posts, videos
 * Blogs
 * Wikibase: the Software for Open Data projects
 * Videos
 * Structured Data on Commons explained, with Andrew Lih, John Cummings and Pharos (Youtube)
 * Discovering history's notable people (audio). Using Wikidata and Wikipedia as the backbone, this project "construct[s] a new dataset of more than seven million notable individuals across recorded human history".
 * LIVE Wikidata editing #40 - YouTube, Facebook
 * Adding information through EntitySchemas to Wikidata Andra Waagmeester and Jose Labra
 * SPARQL query requests around lexicography mapping] by VIGNERON - YouTube
 * Fast Linking of Mathematical Wikidata Entities in Wikipedia Articles Using Annotation Recommendation - YouTube
 * Wiki2Prop: A Multimodal Approach for Predicting Wikidata Properties from Wikipedia - YouTube
 * Wikidata Lab XXVII: WikiProject Brazilian Laws - YouTube
 * Librarians and Wikidata. A short tour - YouTube


 * Tool of the week
 * User:So9q/Gadget-CreateNewEntity.js is a userscript to add a "create new item" link in the dropdown menu for when you want to * add an item to a property, but the item does not exist. (recently modified to support lexemes).


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Humaniki March Update: Public Launch of Alpha Release
 * Another history of Denelezh
 * Wikidata Lexeme Forms no longer automatically redirects you to login, so you can now use edit mode to view the forms of a lexeme in the “right” order. Here is an example.


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: pH value, introduced on, ALA-LC romanization for Ukrainian
 * External identifiers: Generals of World War II ID, La Réunion des Livres ID, Humanitāro zinātņu virtuālā enciklopēdija concept ID, Humanitāro zinātņu virtuālā enciklopēdija person ID, Encyclopedia of Jewish Women ID, Urban Archive ID, GCD publisher ID, Letecká badatelna accident ID, Proveana ID, KATOTTH ID, La Fenice Theatre in Venice person ID, Politiklexikon ID, Europalexikon ID, National Inventory of Dams ID, Wissens-Aggregator Mittelalter und Frühe Neuzeit ID, Indigenous Lands in Brazil ID, Virginia House of Delegates ID, CAOI person ID, Encyklopedie antropologie ID, Our Campaigns race ID, Olympedia affiliations ID, ANPI place numeric ID, National Provider Identifier, Dicionário Histórico-Biográfico Brasileiro ID, Brapci author ID, Wikiroute ID, Biographia Benedictina ID, Periodical ID in a database of the Ministry of Culture of the Czech Republic, National Database of Laws and Regulations ID, Russians of Latvia ID, Rekhta author ID, Washington Rare Plant Field Guide ID, DzygaMDB film ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: translator name string, scope note, LIMA media artist ID, CofE archives ID, CofE archives name ID, CofE archives place ID, has artist file in, term in higher taxon, accessibility statement URL, Hotel des Causses
 * External identifiers: Dialnet thesis ID, IAU member ID, MileSplit ID, Australian Thesaurus of Education Descriptors ID, Malaysian school code, synonymer.se Swedish synonym ID, Prague City Gallery inventory number in Art for the City, Yukon Archives authority record ID, Cimiterium ID, Encyclopedia of Korean Culture ID, HERO-tunniste, Smithsonian Ark ID, Oregon Poetic Voices poet ID, J! Archive player ID, Gender Glossar ID, Beirut Arab University's Libraries Title ID, music austria ID, identifiant Localisation - Joconde du Service des musées de France, identifiant techniques - Joconde du Service des musées de France, identifiant utilisation - Joconde du Service des musées de France, identifiant représentation - Joconde du Service des musées de France, NC Highway Historical Marker Program ID


 * Query examples:
 * Artists on Spotify that lack a Spotify Artist ID (P1902) on Wikidata (Source)
 * Timeline of the discovery of elements in the periodic table (Source)
 * 19th-century depictions of sunflowers (Source)
 * Czech art collections by size (Source)
 * Newest WikiProjects: Cyprus


 * Development
 * Finished work on the support for editing statements on Senses on Lexemes via the API (T199896)
 * Got all feature work done on the first version of the Query Builder. It is now awaiting security review.
 * Statements linking to deleted Lexemes now indicate this similar to statements linking to deleted Items (T277089)
 * Fixing a bug with misaligned grammatical features after an OOUI update (T278522)
 * Finished work on the small tools to get the number of constraints violations and ORES scores for a list of Items. Will publish soon.
 * Did interviews with a few people about how they work around lexicographical data
 * Selected focus languages for continued work on lexicographical data and Abstract Wikipedia together with Abstract Wikipedia team. The selected ones are Hausa, Igbo, Bengali, Malayalam and Dagbani. You can read more about it in the Abstract Wikipedia newsletter.
 * Gave input to WMF search platform team for a survey draft around the query service in order to better understand how to move forward with improvements

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

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Is it okay if I create two armchair travel articles?
Hi everyone,

Just wanted to ask your opinion on creating two armchair articles. Strzelecki Track and Birdsville Track. They can be physically accessed but with one vehicle every 2-3 days. Just wanting to ask whether I should create it based on if a traveller goes and explores it or for armchair travel?

Cheers, SHB2000 (talk) 11:34, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I'd say cover these as itineraries, but what would be the difference in your coverage if it was meant solely for vicarious reading, which is what I think you mean by armchair travel, than if you simply cover it as a practical itinerary? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:57, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I'd generally put a lot of humour in armchair travel and be a bit more serious in practical itineraries. SHB2000 (talk)  05:18, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * You mean kind of like a joke article? A bit of humor is fine, but if the trip is doable, I'd say don't make a joke of it. You might look at some of the articles linked in Next-to-impossible destinations. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:22, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I might use Ashmore and Cartier Islands as a guide. It is doable, it's just that I don't think anyone will actually use this alone. SHB2000 (talk)  10:57, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I think your article is looking good so far. Maybe the Ashmore and Cartier Island article reads like a joke because it's not written very well and has no information about why someone might want to visit, talks about what isn't there instead of what is, and is even a bit fuzzy on basic accessibility (It would really benefit from adding information provided by the Australian government. I'd suggest not trying to emulate that article. The Track and the few locations along it seem to have some history, so it shouldn't be too fill out as a legitimate travel article. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 14:41, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-16
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Page protection
I've semi-protected your page (autoconfirmed only) for one week. Please let me know if you'd like it to be lifted before the week has expired, but I'd be reluctant to do so for the remainder of today.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:25, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for protecting my talk page. Hopefully this guy shall stop (changed my email address as well) but this doesn't seem like its going to stop for another week. I really don't see why a non autoconfirmed user would have a reason to post here apart from User:82.3.185.12. May also want to protect Vat's talk page as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:28, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

 * Thanks a lot. This makes my day :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , just did my autumn clean (but cleared the same amount of stuff as a spring clean). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:34, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Is it called "autumn cleaning" in Australia? I've only ever heard "spring cleaning", and I didn't know whether the concept translated.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:16, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, it's autumn here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:05, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Your comment
See User talk:SHB2000/Archive 2021 about discussing certain ideas. –LPfi (talk) 09:55, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand you'd like to be part of the solution, but certain things lose their magic when called by name. –LPfi (talk) 09:56, 21 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Anyway, I'll be stepping back from janitorial work for another 2 weeks. (Have other things - non wiki related to do) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:50, 21 April 2021 (UTC)


 * OK. Thanks for what you have been (and hopefully will be) doing. Just best to keep some things to oneself, or trusted channels. The less those whose edits we don't want know about how we find them, the better. And some of them may be following any on-wiki discussion. –LPfi (talk) 12:47, 21 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Also, I'll be adding a button similar to the trout button on wikipedia for my overuse of slangs (and other stuff too). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:49, 21 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Please don't talk in public about how our abuse filters work. The less trolls, vandals etc. know about them, the better, and whenever you say anything about the filters in public, some of them may be listening. I think this is the third time I am trying to tell this to you. If there is something unclear about it, do ask, but i don't want to have to keep saying this. –LPfi (talk) 22:08, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #465
<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; -webkit-column-width: 400px; -moz-column-width: 400px; column-width: 400px;">
 * Discussions
 * Other: Scientific papers' labels in other languages than English
 * Events
 * Upcoming: Wikidata/Wikibase office hour, 16:00 UTC on Wednesday 28th April 2021 (18:00 Berlin time), on the Wikidata Telegram channel.
 * Upcoming: The next Wikibase live session is 16:00 UTC on Thursday 29th April 2021 (18:00 Berlin time). Everyone is welcome to come and share out about your project or what you're working on around Wikibase.
 * Upcoming: OpenStreetMap TW x Wikidata Taiwan Meetup 2021-05-10
 * COSCUP 2021 CFP is now open
 * Upcoming: LIVE Wikidata editing #42 - YouTube, Facebook, May 1
 * Upcoming: Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #60, May 2


 * Press, articles, blog posts, videos
 * User:Lucas Werkmeister/P642 considered harmful
 * New extension: Wikibase EDTF by Professional.Wiki (Demo video)
 * Videos
 * OpenStreetMap x Wikidata Meetup #27 - Wikidata Lexeme Teaching - LBRY, Odysee
 * (Workshop) Introduction to Wikidata by Lucie Aimée Kaffee
 * Graphic Possibilities Comics Wikidata Tutorial
 * SPARQL tutorial (in Portuguese)
 * An Introduction to Wikidata (in Malayalam)
 * Wikidata tutorials in Albanian (1, 2, 3, 4)
 * SPARQL #Wikidata back to basics (in French)
 * (Workshop) #1Lib1Ref​ on Wikidata
 * Adding an article to Wikidata by DOI (in Portuguese) - YouTube
 * LIVE Wikidata editing #41 - YouTube, Facebook
 * Working with Zotero on WiKidata (in Italian) - YouTube


 * Tool of the week
 * User:So9q/AddNewLexemeMenu.js is a userscript that adds a section to the sidebar with links for creating new lexemes.


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * WMDE built two tools to help editors get a better understanding of the quality of Wikidata's data in a specific area of interest. Try them out and let us know what you think.
 * Item Quality Evaluator
 * Constraint Violation Checker
 * Collaborative translation of Cita is now available on translatewiki.net. Cita is a Wikidata addon that adds citations metadata support to Zotero, using cites work (P2860) information from Wikidata, and enabling users to easily contribute missing data. Cita is currently under development with a WikiCite grant from the Wikimedia Foundation, and presentation workshops will be held on May 27th (Spanish) and May 31st (English). More info and pre-registration here.
 * RaiseWikibase is a tool for speeding up multilingual knowledge graph construction with Wikibase. Among other features, it can be utilized to create a mini Wikibase instance with Wikidata properties in a few minutes.
 * SPARQL-Blockly is a tool to visualise and construct SPARQL queries as visual blocks ([https://langsamu.github.io/sparql-blockly/#%23%20See%20https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fwiki%2FWikidata%3ASPARQL_query_service%2Fqueries%2Fexamples%23Number_of_handed_out_academy_awards_per_award_type%0D%0A%0D%0ABASE%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2F%3E%0D%0APREFIX%20p%3A%20%3Cprop%2F%3E%0D%0APREFIX%20pq%3A%20%3Cprop%2Fqualifier%2F%3E%0D%0APREFIX%20ps%3A%20%3Cprop%2Fstatement%2F%3E%0D%0APREFIX%20wdt%3A%20%3Cprop%2Fdirect%2F%3E%0D%0APREFIX%20wd%3A%20%3Centity%2F%3E%0D%0APREFIX%20bd%3A%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigdata.com%2Frdf%23%3E%0D%0APREFIX%20wikibase%3A%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwikiba.se%2Fontology%23%3E%0D%0A%0D%0ASELECT%20%3FawardCount%20%3Faward%20%3FawardLabel%0D%0AWHERE%20%7B%0D%0A%09%7B%0D%0A%09%09SELECT%20(COUNT(%3Faward)%20AS%20%3FawardCount)%20%3Faward%0D%0A%09%09WHERE%20%7B%0D%0A%09%09%09%7B%0D%0A%09%09%09%09SELECT%20(SAMPLE(%3Fhuman)%20AS%20%3Fhuman)%20%3Faward%20%3FawardWork%20(SAMPLE(%3Fdirector)%20AS%20%3Fdirector)%20(SAMPLE(%3FawardEdition)%20AS%20%3FawardEdition)%20(SAMPLE(%3Ftime)%20AS%20%3Ftime)%0D%0A%09%09%09%09WHERE%20%7B%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%3Faward%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ19020%20.%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%7B%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%3Fhuman%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09p%3AP166%20%3FawardStat%20%3B%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ5%20.%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%3FawardStat%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09ps%3AP166%20%3Faward%20%3B%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09pq%3AP805%20%3FawardEdition%20%3B%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09pq%3AP1686%20%3FawardWork%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%7D%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09UNION%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%7B%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%3FawardWork%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ11424%20%3B%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09p%3AP166%20%3FawardStat%20.%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%3FawardStat%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09ps%3AP166%20%3Faward%20%3B%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09pq%3AP805%20%3FawardEdition%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%7D%20.%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09OPTIONAL%20%7B%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%3FawardEdition%20wdt%3AP585%20%3Ftime%20.%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%3FawardWork%20wdt%3AP57%20%3Fdirector%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%09%7D%0D%0A%09%09%09%09%7D%0D%0A%09%09%09%09GROUP%20BY%20%3FawardWork%20%3Faward%0D%0A%09%09%09%7D%0D%0A%09%09%7D%0D%0A%09%09GROUP%20BY%20%3Faward%0D%0A%09%09ORDER%20BY%20%3FawardCount%0D%0A%09%7D%20.%0D%0A%09SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%0D%0A%09%09bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20'%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen'%0D%0A%09%7D%0D%0A%7D Wikidata example])
 * Wikibase/FAQ is a living document of a list of frequently asked questions about Wikibase. Community members are welcome to contribute to it.
 * RIP Liz Marley
 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: ALA-LC romanization for Ukrainian
 * External identifiers: ANPI place numeric ID, National Provider Identifier, Dicionário Histórico-Biográfico Brasileiro ID, Brapci author ID, Wikiroute ID, Biographia Benedictina ID, Periodical ID in a database of the Ministry of Culture of the Czech Republic, National Database of Laws and Regulations ID, Russians of Latvia ID, Rekhta author ID, Washington Rare Plant Field Guide ID, DzygaMDB film ID, Bioguiden movie theater ID, MovieMeter person ID, Biblioteca Digital Curt Nimuendajú ID, SonyLIV show ID, Gyldendals Teaterleksikon ID, IAU member ID, LIMA media artist ID, Singers.com ID, HistoryLink essay number, inventory number of a work of art in the Art for the City database, Cimiterium ID, Smithsonian Ark ID, Oregon Poetic Voices poet ID, Encyclopedia of Korean Culture ID, Malaysian school code, Trap Danmark ID, Finna ID, Berliner Bezirkslexikon: Mitte ID, Berliner Bezirkslexikon: Charlottenburg-Wilmersdorf ID, Berliner Bezirkslexikon: Friedrichshain-Kreuzberg ID, Catalogue of the General State Archives ID, CofE archives ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: accessibility statement URL, symbol represents, main upper course, Political Graveyard geography ID, diel cycle, Taxon holotype location, Smithsonian trinomial prefix, Digital Atlas of Idaho taxon ID, hardware threading standard
 * External identifiers: music austria ID, identifiant Localisation - Joconde du Service des musées de France, identifiant utilisation - Joconde du Service des musées de France, identifiant représentation - Joconde du Service des musées de France, NC Highway Historical Marker Program ID, Forbes (Russia) profile ID, Indiana State Historical Marker Program ID, Digital DISCI ID, The Draft Review ID 2, Reallexikon zur Deutschen Kunstgeschichte ID, Enzyklopädie des europäischen Ostens ID, National Historical Museums of Sweden agent ID, IUCN Green List ID, Gardens of the Roman Empire ID, Historic Hawai‘i Foundation ID, UNITER Award person ID, ID právnické osoby vedené Ministerstvem kultury ČR, CEV Team-ID, Anime Filler List show id, CEV Coach-ID, memento.wien person ID, MyBIS ID, Ultime lettere di condannati a morte e di deportati della Resistenza italiana person ID, am.hayazg.info ID, The Criterion Collection film ID, Digital Library of Armenian Literature author ID, Kielitoimiston sanakirja ID, Gopo Award ID, Director Identification Number, TheTVDB character ID, JECFA number, Norges Fotballforbund klubb ID, representatives1821.gr ID, Parliament of Romania person ID, Apple TV movie ID


 * Query examples:
 * Timeline of road vehicles crashing into Montague Street Bridge, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
 * Coal-fired power plants in Germany (Source)
 * Average lifespan by profession (Select the desired columns and get labels) (Source)
 * The number of natural disasters in various countries since 1970 (Source)
 * Heads of states/governments whose cause of death was a military casualty (Source)
 * List of French stations sorted by number of tracks (Source)
 * Relationship of the different Corona viruses (Source)
 * Map of about one third of the ancient trees in Bulgaria (Source)
 * Lexemes without statements or senses by language
 * Newest database reports: Doctor Who companions


 * Development
 * wbeditentity now supports editing statements on Senses (T199896)
 * We added syntax highlighting for viewing Entity Schema pages. There is not syntax highlighting for editing of Entity Schemas yet. (T238831)
 * Improved the way Lua deals with redirects (T238831)
 * Worked on making it possible to add a title to the top of a query visualization via a comment in the SPARQL code (T225883)
 * Discussed how to get persistent storage of constraint violations unstuck as this is a prerequisite to making it easier to analyze and query constraint violations (T214362)
 * Discussed a high-level plan for how to move forward with checking Wikidata's data against 3rd-party databases
 * Finished work on version 1 of the Query Builder. Not it is awaiting security review before we can deploy it.

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Take a list of cities in your country, add in the talk page and have fun looking at people born in this place ordered by number of sitelinks. You may have some surprises!
 * Help write the next summary!

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Tech News: 2021-17
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Recent changes
 * Templates have parameters that can have specific values. It is possible to suggest values for editors with TemplateData. You can soon see them as a drop-down list in the visual editor. This is to help template users find the right values faster.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

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21:25, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Hey
I hope your break goes well. I look forward to seeing you again later in May. Ground Zero (talk) 11:04, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for the message. While I did look at this message before I left, I didn't have time to respond to it. I'm now back, a few days early, seeing the internet almost after a week. Almost forgot how to use my computer and it certainly feels different using it again. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:13, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Towns vs. Cities in the UK
The definition of a city is weird in the UK. It is a large town, sometimes with a cathedral. However there is also the City of London, built on the site of the Roman town Londinium. So it is normally one of three things:
 * A town with a large cathedral
 * An old Roman town
 * A large town

Hope this helps 82.3.185.12 13:19, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


 * It aye confusin'. The definition of town is weird here (i.e. Adelaide being called a country town) but those have now been only used colloquially. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:21, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming "it aye confusin" is Aussie slang. :) 82.3.185.12 13:23, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-18
<section begin="tech-newsletter-content"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Twinkle is a gadget on English Wikipedia. It can help with maintenance and patrolling. It can now be used on other wikis. You can get Twinkle on your wiki using the twinkle-starter GitHub repository.

Problems
 * The content translation tool did not work for many articles for a little while. This was because of a bug.
 * Some things will not work for about a minute on 5 May. This will happen around 06:00 UTC. This will affect the content translation tool and notifications among other things. This is because of an upgrade to avoid crashes.

Changes later this week
 * Reference Previews will become a default feature on a number of wikis on 5 May. This is later than planned because of some changes. You can use it without using Page Previews if you want to. The earlier plan was to have the preference to use both or none.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg The CSS classes,   and   do not work for mobile readers if they have not been specifically defined on your wiki. From June they will not work for desktop readers. This can affect gadgets and templates. The classes can be defined in MediaWiki:Common.css or template styles instead.

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15:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #466
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 * Events
 * Past: Wikidata+Wikibase office hour happened on April 28th. See notes here (English).
 * Upcoming: International Museum Day, May 3-18, including a Wikidata competition
 * Upcoming: Basics about SPARQL queries live on Twitch and in French by Vigneron, May 4 at 18:00 CEST
 * Upcoming: Scholia - Open Bibliometrics for Researchers webinar on Zoom, May 5 at 10h30 UTC (free, but registration needed)
 * Upcoming: LIVE Wikidata editing #42 - YouTube, Facebook, May 8
 * Upcoming: Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #61, May 9
 * Upcoming: the next Wikidata bug triage hour will take place on May 17th on the topic of quality constraints
 * Upcoming: Wikimedia Hackathon, May 22-23. The call for proposals for the program is now open until May 9th for the main track (May 19th for the open rooms) More information


 * Press, articles, blog posts, videos
 * Blogs
 * WBStack Infrastructure - current deployment and architecture of wbstack.com
 * Videos
 * Mix'n'match workshop in (Italian) - YouTube
 * SPARQL #Wikidata back to basics (in French) - YouTube
 * Wikidata Lab XXVIII: Metadata applications (a technical training on the process of metadata applications development) - YouTube
 * Upload workshop (in Dutch) - datacleaning, reconciliation, upload, embed metadata with exiftool & Upload images with Pattypan and link with Wikidata.
 * LIVE Wikidata editing #42 - YouTube, Facebook
 * Overview of all LIVE Wikidata editing episodes including topics and tools used to make search easier


 * Tool of the week
 * Wikinegata is a platform for browsing interesting negations about Wikidata entities. (Overview video)


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Template:Item classification and Template:Item documentation now include more generic queries for classes: it include the number of subclasses, the number of instances, the number of instances by class, the list of instances and the list of most frequent properties for items of this class.
 * TP organization now includes generic queries for items of class school.
 * Over 3,000,000 usages of taxon name (P225)


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: field of usage, artist files at, accessibility statement URL, degrees day, Beirut Arab University's Libraries title ID
 * External identifiers: J! Archive player ID, CofE archives name ID, HERO ID, GLEI RAL, Archdiocese of Liverpool parish ID, Yukon Archives authority record ID, CofE archives place ID, NC Highway Historical Marker Program ID, National Historical Museums of Sweden agent ID, Australian Thesaurus of Education Descriptors ID, Enzyklopädie des europäischen Ostens ID, Reallexikon zur Deutschen Kunstgeschichte ID, Oregon Flora Image Project ID, Digital DISCI ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: Clubhouse account, Danmarks Tekniske Kulturarv book ID, hat Gedenkort, Secondary Archive artist ID, date of probate
 * External identifiers: LMIC musician ID, DC Books store book ID, ctext data entity ID, SAIA authority ID, AdServio school ID, Apple Music label ID, MacArthur Fellows Program ID, Encyclopedia of China Online Database ID, DHLE, APA Dictionary of Psychology entry, Scholarpedia article ID, Biology Online Biology Dictionary entry, Biblioteca di Santa Sabina ID, Biblioteche della Custodia di Terra Santa a Gerusalemme ID, Universal equine life number, Auschwitz Prisoners Database ID, Nevada SHPO marker ID, Sigla ID, Bing Entity ID, light characteristic, Lexikon der österreichischen Provenienzforschung ID, Identificativo Polo bibliografico della Ricerca, LTit person ID


 * Query examples:
 * List number of albums (Q482994) by language (P407) in descending order (Source)
 * Map of Scottish council areas (Source)
 * Databases with a SPARQL endpoint, sorted by number of ids known by Wikidata (Source)
 * List of actors and actresses who died during 2020 (Source)
 * Newest database reports: new screenwriters


 * Development
 * Entity Schemas now have syntax highlighting for viewing (T238831, example)
 * Reviewing a patch that will make it possible to use templates on d:MediaWiki:Wikibase-SortedProperties. This will for example make it possible to show labels automatically for each Property ID. Thanks, Luca! (T280787)
 * Evaluated the interviews and other research we did around improvements for lexicographical data
 * Worked on/fixed small remaining bugs in the Query Builder (T280505, T279928, T279945)
 * Continuing to work on evaluating and addressing scaling issues of the Query Service
 * Provided input to a research team working on a potential new and improved Property Suggester
 * Wikibase: we are completing the final tasks necessary to prepare the Wikibase Spring release and expect to publish new versions of the tarball and Docker images on or before May 15, 2021

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

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 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

Thank you for ...
...nominating me for administrator. I just looked around for a place to leave some kind of closing statement, but maybe there isn't one? Maybe here. I promise not to break anything. :) I have a hunch there may be a bit less trouble now; the obsessed individual tends to go where he is less likely to be recognized. But I will help with any tasks where I can assist. -- Anyway, I just got back from a hiking trip and am about to go on another one. Will look at adminny stuff in a bit. All the best -- Antandrus (talk) 14:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks like Ikan Kekek changed your status. Congratulations, and welcome aboard. Ground Zero (talk) 15:23, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, welcome! –LPfi (talk) 20:07, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Wikivoyage will greatly benefit. And I can tell our californian articles will improve. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:23, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * By the way, do you hike out at Arizona or the US east coast or somewhere not in North America? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * And finally, enjoy your time being an admin here. Could you also protect my enwiki talk page? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)


 * , and while now GRP will start calling me a sockpuppet, it's all worth it. You definitely deserve to be an admin, and I hope everything's going good for you in California. Is mandatory masks a thing there? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:26, 6 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Indoors, yes - but it's now pretty much optional outdoors. I've been climbing in the mountains a lot and people aren't wearing masks much. Most of us are vaccinated now. I just bought my first plane tickets since before the pandemic. Time to get out again.
 * FYI, there's another LTA active - w:WP:LTA/Wikinger - he imitates GRP all the time. Often when GRP is being disruptive, Wikinger shows up to make it worse if he can. There are a couple reliable ways to tell them apart that I won't divulge publicly, but it doesn't really matter since they're both WMF-banned. "All vandals are the same vandal" can be kind of a useful philosophy. Antandrus (talk) 14:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm well aware of Wikinger, although he's not on WV from what I can tell. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:16, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Wearing pink pants
Huh? I'm guessing this is one of those dead letters that's still on the books but never enforced. If so, we shouldn't include it in a serious article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:34, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree. If it's is intended as an amusing side note, it should be identified as such, or left out. Ground Zero (talk) 22:01, 9 May 2021 (UTC)


 * It was an old law but yes it was enforced, I learnt it when I was studying law. Still a law that's still in force today but no one really pings or is nitpicky on this law anymore. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-19
<section begin="tech-newsletter-content"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Future changes
 * You can see what participants plan to work on at the online Wikimedia hackathon 22–23 May.

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15:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: April 2021
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Travel Rant..
Thanks for the additions..

You plan to look over some of the pre-existing ones as well? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:05, 12 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Already looked at them. A few quotes that my mates have said when going to the outback. Classic Aussie - especially with the unnecessary f bombs in them. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:07, 12 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I've also been told by some Australian visitors in London to NEVER order certain 'export' brands of alcoholic beverage if I ever visit Sydney. Perhaps this is something that could be looked into as advice for some articles? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:24, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * No one in my family drinks so I don't know about alcoholic beverages. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:26, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "I've also been told by some Australian visitors in London to NEVER order certain 'export' brands of alcoholic beverage if I ever visit Sydney" -- would that be Foster's? Sounds like it might be. It's what the rest of the world thinks Australians drink, not what we actually do. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 08:42, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * possibly, although everyone in sydney (that i know) drinks vittoria beer, corona, or a champagne (more females) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:45, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Star Wars tourism
Why did you revert my edit. By doing so, information that was correct is now incorrect. The edit was not done by Brendan John Williams, but it was the only edit on Wikivoyage by Folley5851.

Asked by: FredTC (talk) 06:52, 14 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Brendo creates sock accounts - and 99% of the accounts ending in 2-4 numbers are his. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:53, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * By the way, Brendan John Williams is just Telstra - which I call brendo. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:54, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * But why do you make correct information incorrect??? --FredTC (talk) 06:57, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Block evasion is block evasion: but this is more ban evasion SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:00, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * A bit of discretion is needed when dealing with the Telstra guy. Most of his edits are very poor quality or factually incorrect and should be reverted on sight, but on the odd occasion he contributes something positive to an article, it's better to keep it, particularly when a third user (in this case FredTC) has confirmed the edit was good. Whether we revert or not has no effect on Telstra's behaviour, so we might as well benefit from his occasional moments of brilliance.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:05, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The easy way I use to identify his edits non-username related is it almost certainly is just an added listing. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:13, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-20
<section begin="tech-newsletter-content"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * There is a new toolbar in the Reply tool. It works in the wikitext source mode. You can enable it in your preferences.
 * Wikimedia mailing lists are being moved to Mailman 3. This is a newer version. For the character encoding to work it will change from  to.
 * Octicons-tools.svg An earlier issue of Tech News said that the citoid API would handle dates with a month but no days in a new way. This has been reverted for now. There needs to be more discussion of how it affects different wikis first.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-tools.svg  will be renamed  . The list can be copied to the new name. It will happen on 19 May for some wikis and 20 May for some wikis. Most wikis don't use it. It lists images that should never be used as thumbnails for articles.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

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13:50, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Growth Newsletter #18
Welcome to the eighteenth newsletter from the Growth team!

The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in mid-size Wikimedia projects.

Structured tasks


"Add a link" is now being tested in production and is nearing release on our four pilot wikis (Arabic, Czech, Vietnamese, and Bengali Wikipedias). We'll be doing final tests this week and next week, and then plan to deploy to the four wikis either during May 24 week, or May 31 week. After two weeks, we will analyze the initial data to identify any problems or trends. We expect that this feature will engage new kinds of newcomers in easy and successful edits. If things are going well after four weeks, we'll progressively deploy it to the wikis with Growth features.

News for mentors

 * We are currently working on a Mentor dashboard. This special page aims to help mentors be more proactive and be more successful at their role. The first iteration will include a table that shows an overview of the mentors current mentees, a module with their own settings, and a module that will allow them to store their best replies to their mentees questions.
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Welcoming
I am not too enthusiastic over your welcoming Frigley after one edit about Sharpeville, which in lights of the Sharpeville massacre seems rather, uhm, biased. I think one should wait with welcoming until a user has made clearly good faith edits. –LPfi (talk) 12:35, 18 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll keep that in mind. Forgot NPOV isn't a thing here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)




 * You mean with NPOV we would mention the convicted people, ignoring the well-known massacre? One could argue that from the point of History of Justice the conviction process was more important than the event, but the user did nothing to put the listing in such context. Also, I suppose the edit was by a long time acquaintance of ours, using a throw-away account as usual.


 * –LPfi (talk) 13:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Whack!

 * - I changed it as:


 * 1. That's what comes up in their ads
 * 2. Locals tend to always say woolies, and saying woolworths just makes you a target, especially in the not so safe city of Casino.


 * SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

East Antarctica flights
I hope you could elaborate on this. "A bunch of" is not really helpful, and could be misinterpreted. Several planes every now and then? I doubt. While we want lively writing, information on getting in should be to the point. What I can see there is no information on these planes in Antarctica or East Antarctica (which refers to the former). –LPfi (talk) 10:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I know certain airlines have flights from Hobart. can't remember which ones though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:54, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you please try to find some information, or reword not to promise too much. –LPfi (talk) 10:55, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * First thing tomorrow morning. (ACST) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:57, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! –LPfi (talk) 12:11, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * See ya' tomorrow (click the slang button if you think this is slang). Will need to get some sleep in me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:14, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , oops, I was meant to respond to this last week, but I totally forgot. Sorry about that. But there are some Qantas flights, although not many. Most are chartered but some are not. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Sigh
I think Ikan Kekek was referring to me there. I was going back in to soften my comment anyway. I don't wish to squabble with him (or anyone). Responding to a comment like that immediately is not a good idea. I should have take more time to consider my response. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 10:53, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I thought it was me, as a similar comment on Talk:Frankenstein but towards me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:04, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * You mean the idea that no travel topics are legitimate articles? That was my reading of SHB2000's comments, not yours. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:02, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarifying. Ground Zero (talk) 21:05, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * When did I say it's not a legit article? Yes, they are, but I was referring to real destinations, which have a lot more meaning. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:15, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Outing
Please don't use real names of other people. User names and designations used on Meta or en-wp, such as "GRP" are OK if you need to clarify. Often that clarification is indeed not needed. Real names should be treated as confidential unless a user has added it to their user page themselves (and not removed it later), or it is in clearly widespread friendly use (such as some calling names used among regulars). Sometimes a connection might have to be called out, but it seldom needs to be done publicly.

In a general discussion about how to handle LTA, and what tools would help in that context, there is usually no need to specify individuals. Those participating in the discussion usually have enough experience to know the patterns, either from elsewhere or because they have dealt with them here lately. In most discussions among regulars, we very well know whom we are talking about without mentioning any names.

–LPfi (talk) 11:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * So would BJW be an example of not outing, since it was Telstra's original username.


 * Also with GRP, one, in one of his harassment emails, he sent his name, and two, have a look at this edit on Wikisource. I've had a look at Antandrus' contributions in all english wikimedia projects, except Wikispecies. Since he's also bad-mouthed me on a couple of websites, attacking me, and continually spams my old email, which I don't use anymore. In some of his vandalistic edits, (cant find any revs) he's even outed his own name. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * You can remove this comment and rev del this if you want, but here's some revisions that may give you an idea of how his name is public. . While GRP hasn't been vandalising Wikivoyage for a month now, I doubt this will be the case when the protection expires tomorrow. But can you remove the protection a day earlier, I'm sort of sick and tired of trying to maintain two talk pages, if only 82 creates an account. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * BJW would probably be OK. A user name is not confidential information, unless you have outed yourself with one name (such as many do for their photos on Commons) while keeping your identity secret with another. I do think Antandrus says too much. Telling ones name to you is not making the information public. If I tell you mine, it's confidential information, and although he might not have a plan on what to say and not to say, we should treat any personal details that weren't common knowledge from before as privileged. This includes things that can be dug up from public logs and page histories.


 * I am sorry that you get all this harassment, but we need to be professional in not bawling out or unveiling privileged information.


 * –LPfi (talk) 07:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info! I will archive this early in 2 days as this exact thread is a target for GRP. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Go ahead, as soon as you wish. –LPfi (talk) 09:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I might wait for 5, as if anyone else might come up with something. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * "I do think Antandrus says too much" -- you are right, and I know it too. We should probably change our overall approach and not use his name at all. Just quietly remove his sputter and point people to the LTA page when necessary. Antandrus (talk) 16:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * "This includes things that can be dug up from public logs and page histories." - no. Anything public is public and can be referenced and reused under the WMF ToS. I had to tell the same thing to User:ThunderingTyphoons! who complained about my linking that anon user with their actual account and called it "outing". Seems to be a project-specific thing. Overall, I do not believe that SHB2000 made a mistake. Leaderboard (talk) 17:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * You may be right in terms of ToS and law, but that is only part of the picture.


 * I strongly believe in respecting people's privacy. Especially in this time, everything about anybody can be deduced from non-secret information, and I think collecting, sorting and publishing the information is not something to do. When I speak with my friends in the bus, or in the street, even in my yard, I know that people around can hear what I say, but I'd be disappointed if they told what they heard on Facebook next day, coupled to my identity, which they recognised or found out by an image search. I like the rule on the communication radio: anybody listening on the channel can hear what you say, but they may not tell anybody.


 * There are things that must be said, that fellow administrators (and perhaps other trusted fellows) must know to fight vandalism effectively, but about such things one should tell only what is useful for others to know, and they should understand that they got the information in confidence.


 * –LPfi (talk) 20:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I'll openly admit that I'm a person who prefers names, over usernames, but I myself do not like to reveal my name, even in emails. While some people openly reveal their name in their usernames (e.g. User:Ikan Kekek, User:Anirban Kolkata or User:KevRobbAU/SCO) while others reveal their first names on their userpages.


 * And to say, I do know User:ThunderingTyphoons!', User:LivelyRatification's and User:Ground Zero's full names, but I still use TT and GZ due to privacy.


 * I could've had my name outed, after an edit war with someone on enwp, after continual edit warring due to w:WP:NOR, but instead he chose to out me on instagram instead of wikipedia. And I do certainly agree with LPfi here with the radio rule.


 * And, and for outing 82's old ID, tbh, I also did not think it was outing as if you follow a set of certain pages, you could find the old username. I know it was not a mistake, but I believe this was done upon 82's request.


 * --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 23:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I do not reveal my name to people I don't trust and don't want it broadcast. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:31, 30 May 2021 (UTC)


 * So is Ikan not your first name? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)


 * After reading your userpage, I see what Ikan Kekek means: "Ikan Kekek is the name of a Malaysian fish and a children's song" That makes sense. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:51, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Barncompass indexation
Hiya, should it not be clear, this is a response to your pitch in the pub. I'm much in favour of the idea I'm hearing, but I feel like there's some vague spots in the pitch that allow people to misinterpret your intentions. The concept as I understand it largely comes down to making barncompasses somewhat like Rint, in which standard transit lines are made more easily accessible through a template, aside from the fact that this one would, of course, print barncompasses rather than tram and metro lines :)

Since I did a lot of work on RINT myself, and felt like a mock-up of the idea might help your cause, I've gone ahead and made a mock-up based off of what I think you're trying to achieve. I don't want to deviate the discussion in the pub, so hence why I'm notifying you directly. Right now, there's two templates, and that's all it would need:


 * BC. This would be a customisable version of Barncompass, making it modular and thus removing the need for a 1:1 ratio of templates and barncompasses where every type of barncompass has a template for itself. It allows for customisation of not only the text, but also allowing one to easily pick the image, scale it and add a different title.
 * BCindex then uses that modular template to recreate existing barncompasses, and allow for indexation of future barncompasses. Ideally, it would replace Barncompass as it stands now. I can assure you that it wouldn't break any existing barncompasses using that template. For now, all that works is the silver, gold, sysop and default variations. When a barncompass isn't found, it defaults to display the entered parameter (or in other words, everything after ) as plain text in a default barncompass, thus not breaking any of the existing barncompasses should this be moved into Barncompass itself.

As a very brief how-to:  is the template you use. Follow this by the code, for example, and follow this with your text, separated by a pipe. You can omit the compass code (silver, in this example) and it will print a default barncompass with anything else specified after the template name printed as the accompanying text. Both of them print as follows:

I'm not trying to steal the idea from you, should that not be obvious. Unless you honestly want me to, I won't work this out further to become a proper usable template set, since you asked whether it is something that you should do or not, and I don't intend to rob you of your projects - I have plenty of my own. If you go for it though, might I suggest you use ISO 3166-1, Alpha 3 codes for countries and regions as well as the names of countries for their indexation? In any case, let me know whether this is what you meant or how else I should interpret your pitch, and I can alter the mock-up accordingly if you want me to. I honestly think it's a great idea, and I'd like to see it succeed. If you need the help, just let me know. I'd be more than happy to help you with developing this idea :) -- Wauteurz (talk) 14:00, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much. I'd love a mate to work this alongside me. So if I put, that's the way to avoid confusion with the original Barncompass? I'm not that great with coding (apart from html), so any help will be greatly appreciated. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:09, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


 * No worries! The templates I linked above are both still in my userspace, so you'll have to use  as the template name to call it correctly for the time being. I've added a few Barnstars of National Merit (BoNM) from Wikipedia as placeholders for barncompasses, and they can be accessed through either the ISO 3166-1 α3 code I linked above (i.e., the three-letter code assigned to that country), or the full name of the country, removing any spaces. The current options are:
 * Australia:  or
 * New Zealand:  or
 * Papua New Guinea:  or
 * Vanuatu:  or
 * And for clarity, BC is the bare barncompass, and does not know how to make any other barncompass than the default by itself. Using BC, the Australian BoNM would have to be called by specifying what it looks like: . BCindex is the index of pre-configured barncompasses, and for that you can simply define   instead. BCindex is the template that the compass-gifter would see. BC is the template the compass-maker would use to create new or custom barncompasses. In an ideal world, I would move BCindex into what is now Barncompass (it won't break existing barncompasses unless they're defined in a weird way), and BC would become something along the lines of Barncompass base, ideally with a redirect from BC so that the codes in BCindex can be kept a bit shorter. I've done this with RINT as well - RINT calls Routebox entry, which is abbreviated as RbE (and RINT itself is an abbreviation of Rail-interchange), but I digress.
 * Also note that the parameters used in BCindex do not have to be defined. In other words, you don't have to tell it what parameter you're trying to define ( and   in your example). It checks what parameter you're defining by its order. Therefore, the Barncompass's code has to be defined first, followed by the message. See this as the organisation you also use on your PC. You would generally put images in the folder for images, so you have to open that before you can view any images. Here you have to tell BCindex that you're wanting to access the Australian BoNM, and then tell it the text you want it to print within that. This could be expanded to include subregions, such as the US states. Those could be put on a 'folder' within the USA 'folder', so that California is accessed through  . This would then remove the need to use three-letter codes, and we could switch to the two-letter codes instead, which tend to be better known because they largely match the top level domains for these countries. I haven't made a real look-up page for it, but if you want to check the current codes, jump into the source code of BCindex and see for yourself. The template is somewhat annotated with.
 * I hope that answers your questions :) -- Wauteurz (talk) 12:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


 * And sorry for stealing your template, but I did do some experimenting with it. Might do a bit more to see how it turns out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:12, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


 * No problem whatsoever. Feel free. I don't know if you want me to, but I can add some extra options for customisation to the barncompass base template (User:Wauteurz/BC). Think of things like definable colours for the border and background. Also, the template you copied uses the switch-function. If you aren't familiar with it, you'll find some documentation and examples on MediaWiki and Wikipedia. I would suggest that you put some of the subregions of Australia that you added under Australia itself as a switch-function on the second parameter. I'll copy your additions into the version on my userspace with that structure, should you want it as reference. I'll leave the one in your own userspace for you to play around with. If there's anything that you can't manage to change or fix, then please shoot me a message! I'm happy to help out. -- Wauteurz (talk) 13:45, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Tip
Reaction on your last edit. With 4x "-" you get a long line in the full width of the page. With many "_" you get a page that can have a horizontal scrolling bar. So, "" makes:

--FredTC (talk) 09:49, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks Fred. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Your revert on my edit on Australia
By reverting my edit you restored the quite messy situation of having 3 different formats for times in just one article: 21:00, 4PM and 6pm. They are even all 3 in the same section of the article. In the heading of the talk page it says "please use the 12-hour clock", and on the same talk page it says "We have a general policy of using only one time format in an article". --FredTC (talk) 12:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh whoops, that was my mistake. The time format in Australia is quite an unusual one with older generations using 12 hr time while younger generations using 24. Hence why you see me preferring 24 over 12. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:16, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

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My article status templates
Hi, I am changing my article status templates to try to show the article status boxes at the bottom on an article, and I realised that this messed up your userpage. The new template is located at User:82.3.185.12/Article status. Thanks, 82.3.185.12 18:34, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. On a little bit of a side note, I suggest adding a documentation. Since any user might want to add this, this might as well help. Could also help with other things as well SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:36, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I tried to do that, but it made the documentation template appear underneath the article status templates when I tested it on my userpage. 82.3.185.12 15:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * @82.3.185.12, sorry for the late response, but you're meant to include the code around the documentation.

Like this:


 * Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! 82.3.185.12 14:22, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries mate. Remember, you can always ask me if you need anything. Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:43, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I redirected User:82.3.185.12/Starnom to User:82.3.185.12/Star, and I realised that this left a blank gap in your userpage.  should produce Featured_article_candidate.svg 'Starnom', which is what was on your userpage before. Thanks, 82.3.185.12 12:31, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know mate. I'll fix it right now. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:35, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I have finished with User talk:SHB2000/nonsende and User talk:SHB2000/nonsende2. 82.3.185.12 14:53, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Question
When I type ; it does this. Do you know why it is not centred like the actual template?


 * Thanks, 82.3.185.12 16:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * @82, I'll take a look into it right now, at the time of this comment. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Had a look at it, I'm not too sure why., do you have any idea why 82's template is doing this? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Took me a bit to find this one. This problem occurs because the image and the text share the same cell in the table that makes up the structure of this template. Because the first line of text prints at the same height as the image, the second line will force itself to fit below the image. I'd suggest making a left and right column. Left for the image, right for the text, and that should resolve the issue. It's easy to miss, but if you look at the template for the current star boxes, Stbox, you'll find the following code on lines 9 and 10:
 * The pipes used at the start of each line indicate that the two elements (the image on line 9 and the text, which starts at line 10) are in separate columns from each other. They have no further modifications through CSS attributes, so you should be fine with just splitting the elements across two columns. Other than that, the templates look more or less identical, aside from 82's version having a decentralised structure (which I should add is a bit annoying when trying to troubleshoot it). -- Wauteurz (talk) 09:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I have tried splitting it across two columns, however this now makes the star appear on top of the words. Do you have any ideas on how to fix this? 82.3.185.12 17:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The pipes used at the start of each line indicate that the two elements (the image on line 9 and the text, which starts at line 10) are in separate columns from each other. They have no further modifications through CSS attributes, so you should be fine with just splitting the elements across two columns. Other than that, the templates look more or less identical, aside from 82's version having a decentralised structure (which I should add is a bit annoying when trying to troubleshoot it). -- Wauteurz (talk) 09:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I have tried splitting it across two columns, however this now makes the star appear on top of the words. Do you have any ideas on how to fix this? 82.3.185.12 17:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't see this edit back in the template? If I look at the edits, there's the insertion of a new line for the text, but that's not how tables work. All this does is force the text onto a new line, whereas you need a separation on the horizontal axis. A new line only does something on the vertical axis. You'd have to add a column into /Starborder's code on line four, with that column only containing a parameter named "2". ( . "1" would contain the image, "2" would contain the text, and this would require /Star to be edited accordingly . In other words, the enters in /Star need to be replaced with a pipe, and that should have the entire thing resolved.
 * You might need a bit of fiddling with the HTML/CSS on /Starborder if the width of the columns needs tweaking, or if there are instances where no image is displayed, you'd want to hide the column in /Starborder under an #if-module, which would check for an "image" parameter and whether it is present or not. In that case, the "image" parameter replaces "1", and "2" becomes the new "1", and that should be everything done. -- Wauteurz (talk) 20:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * That works now. Thank you! 82.3.185.12 18:36, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


 * No worries! -- Wauteurz (talk) 20:19, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

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Did you check Talk:Smögen before making this reversion? I would have left it alone. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:24, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops, didn't check it. Sorry. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Also Ikan, feel free to revert me anytime if I've made a mistake. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Brendan
Hi. I always appreciate your hard work on this site, but you don't know how to recognize that guy's edits yet. I'd suggest, therefore, that for the time being, you ignore edits by people with usernames that could be him and leave the determination to others, unless you are sure the edits are useless. Also, it's totally useless to post any message to the talk page of any of that guy's innumerable socks, because he'll never read or pay attention to it. I post a user talk message only when I think it's him but I'm not completely sure (and even I and some other admins make mistakes at times).

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message. Yes, I do agree with you that I'm not fully able to recognise Brendo's edits yet, I am well aware his target pages: Usually Sydney districts, random towns along NSW and Queensland, Aboriginal culture, WWI and WWII, some ancient medieval culture and Star Wars pages. Usually those edits are just an added listing, poor quality. However, I was just extremely tired and exhausted, and possibly my 2100h self is just who I am not.


 * Also unrelated to this, but should I remove the cyclone warning in Kolkata. User:Anirban Kolkata has said it's over, but I do want to check with an experienced user, rather than removing it myself.


 * Take care,


 * SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I would trust local knowledge on that kind of thing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:03, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

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Spambots
Hello, BeatriceH35 is just a spambot, a script that runs to add a massive number of spam links. Spambots usually have a particular pattern and should be (b)locked on sight, as well as their stuff should be deleted. See also their abuse log. I would like to ask you to kindly reconsider your revert. Best, &mdash;Hasley (talk) 02:39, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Hastley, thanks for the clarification. Wasn't aware of the other types of spambot accounts, but usually on Wikivoyage, they are just self-promotion or a tour agency advertising tours on their userpage. I've rollbacked my edits, and sorry about the revert. Take care, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 03:28, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems it would be handy to have a link to global contributions on the page you land on when you are patrolling new user pages with external links. Wouldn't that catch spambots? –LPfi (talk) 10:13, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Not too sure. I've only started to use SWViewer today, so I'm not too sure on how this works. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:15, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Wow! 7500 edits!
Much appreciated. I had a period of reduced activity from February to May (unfortunately) and therefore for me you’re a relatively new contributor to WV. It’s great to see your enthusiasm for the project, so keep up the good work.

We like to use only four digits after the decimal point in coordinates (a minor technical point) just because it’s easier to use while still being accurate.

Thanks again! --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 13:52, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. While I've just reached this milestone. The one mistake I wished I hadn't made was editing under an IP for 9 months on en.wikipedia. And yes, while I'm an admin on another project in a language that I barely know, I still prefer wikivoyage more, than the other WMF projects.


 * And to a coincidence, I just happened to get autopatrolled status on meta, (not a big thing though), but the timing did intrigue me.


 * Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:55, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah, keep up the good work, your contributions are really helping out with the travel guide. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 22:10, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Kainji National Park
@SHB2000 thanks for your edit on Kainji National Park. It was really helpful. But Was struggling to get the stub off the article.
 * No worries mate. You can always leave me a message here if you need help with anything. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:24, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

You are absolutely right here,
But as they say in Wikipedia, "don't bite the newbies". There is a group of new editors in Nigeria who don't know much about Wikivoyage, but they are helping to build articles that our existing pool of editors can't do much with. Let's be sure to encourage them. Ground Zero (talk) 15:30, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry there, that was my tired 23:50 self. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:33, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It happens. ;-) Ground Zero (talk) 22:23, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with you guys, but I think we also ought to check that these types of edits aren’t copied from somewhere. I like the work these Nigerian contributors are doing but it needs supervision, and if you’re not familiar with copyright/copyleft (as most people aren’t), it’s easy to copy a paragraph or article from a WP or non-wiki source without attribution and without realizing such action is not allowed. The information about schools is an example of what I’d suspect as copyvio because it doesn’t make sense why someone would write this content on a travel guide. I’m not saying we should admonish these “newbies” but we should put our resources into helping them learn how to contribute best to this wiki. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 22:11, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I've been trying to coach them, with some success. It would help to have other experienced editors doing this too so that it doesn't seem like just me and one or two others nagging them. Ground Zero (talk) 22:23, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Sure, I’ll chip in when I can. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 23:32, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I've just tagged two pages for deletion. Anything over 75%, is not traveloca.org, and is less than 15 days old is almost certainly a violation. Could either one of you, delete those pages? Thanks, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I have raised the question of Murtala Muhammed International Airport on the user's talk page, and want to give him a couple of days to respond. Where is Kainji National Park copied from? There are parts that look like they are from Wikipedia, in which case I would just do the accreditation and remind the user to do so going forward. Is there text from another site? Ground Zero (talk) 12:38, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * KNP is copied from here SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:40, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, i found the text on another site. I have notified the user. Let's wait a couple ofdays for a response. Ground Zero (talk) 12:43, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 3 is reasonable, isn't it? Considering that copyright is a legal issue here, I'm not all that comfortable waiting more than that. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:47, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There's also the point that most of these airports clearly fall outside our criteria for which airports get their own article. All of them probably do, but the only one that would seem possible is Murtala Muhammed, since that's the airport for Lagos. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Probably best to just leave a message on the talk pages of the editors who have created out of criteria. After all, even users who've been here for months can make mistakes about Airports too. I did make that mitsake when drafting an article for Darwin International Airport. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:26, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I did post to his user talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm well aware of that. But my point is that there's nothing much else we could do. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:43, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure there is. We can delete them as copyright violation and/or make them redirects. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:11, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm not sure what to do with AmyCutie who keeps creating a uni page. Could you pp it permanently for temp editors and admins only? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You will have seen by now that I blocked her for a day to try to get her attention. It's best not to assume I'm always available, though. The only reason I was available this much last night is that I slept really poorly. If you'd like something to be done. contacting individual admins may not be the most effective means. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:24, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Noticed that. Yeah I only contacted you because you seemed to be the most active admin that hour. Anyway, this will be my final edit for today, as it's 0026 in Sydney here. Take care, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 14:26, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sleep well, and thanks for caring. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:19, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, thank you for guiding these new editors. As far as I can tell, some of these users will possibly become long term users at Wikivoyage, and to say, most have had a rough start, but eventually have got the hang of Wikivoyage. And also, slightly off topic, a correction to my earlier comment "this will be my final edit for today, as it's 0026", actually, it's one of my first edits for the day. I obviously can't think properly ;). Anyway, thanks again! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:50, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I always consider the day to end when I go to sleep or the sun rises, whichever comes first. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:50, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Same here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:13, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

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20:03, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Lime scooters
You reverted IP edits in Turku and Tampere, on Lime scooters, with no comment. I suppose the comment on their talk page was related to these. Was it because the IP added "(cheapest)". I'd have simply removed that comment – as there is no guarantee that is true after a year, and the prices are not posted publicly. Was there some other reason to revert the edits?

I haven't yet seen any Lime scooters since they were removed (because of the pandemic, I suppose, it might have happened earlier), but I suppose the IP editor knows they are back.

I don't see any reason to treat the IP editor as a tout. For all I know they could be a local or a traveller, who just has been using scooters over here.

–LPfi (talk) 12:14, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * It's unusual to see an IP user to add a link to these electric scooters, in two different articles, along with the word "cheapest", which very much looks like a tout to me. Let's say, if I were a traveller, and I hired a bike (for examples sake) somewhere. I would write about the entire place I've been, and not just about bike hiring service, in two different spots. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Vkem redid the edits as logged-in. I suspect it was him also the first time. He is Finnish and adds a lot of Get in and Get around information (sometimes too much for my taste, but that's a different issue).


 * I can imagine myself seeing a Lime scooter in the street, and checking whether they are back in other places also. I haven't done it for scooters, but indeed for things like ferries or coaches.


 * –LPfi (talk) 19:02, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * If it were Vkem but logged in in the first place, I wouldn't have reverted it in the first place. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:46, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Also, if I had not said that these edits were me but logged out, you'd think it's not me or an imposter.   SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 22:31, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

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"By air"
Hi. That is not a standard section header. The standard is "By plane". Just FYI. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:52, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I didn't actually check the content when fixing the headers. I'll check next time. Thanks, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:01, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:04, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, could you help Zend2020 with get in and get around listings. I've just sort of explained it, but I'm not sure if it looks particularly helpful. Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:10, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

It did --Zend2020 (talk) 05:00, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Default banners
I am not used to the default banners (read: haven't been paying attention), so did not realise that the banner was indeed the African one. I supposed that syntax just did not work, so replaced it with the filename listed at Banner Expedition. The page doesn't tell about the keywords (or automatically choosing the right banner), and neither does the template page. –LPfi (talk) 13:23, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's just a tip:

would produce the default African one
 * Here's just a full list


 * Europe - none
 * North America - none


 * Middle East - Mena Asia
 * North Africa - Mena Asia
 * Asia - Mena Asia


 * Caribbean - Caribbean
 * Australia - Australia
 * and so on. I'm planning to make some documentation for the parameters, so hopefully this should help, since I noticed that there weren't none.


 * Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:30, 12 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I added the keywords to the template documentation after writing here – but I had to look at the template code to find them. –LPfi (talk) 15:36, 12 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 22:16, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Adding Images + Wikipedia
I need help both on wikicommons and Wikipedia and again sir How do I request for grant if I have a project here in Nigeria. —The preceding comment was added by Favourdare123 (talk • contribs)


 * Hey, here's just how it works:


 * So in this case, if I wanted to add File:Sydney Harbour NP board.png, 500px and on the right side of the page, then I'd be using


 * and it'll turn out like this:




 * To upload images, go to c:Special:UploadWizard and follow the steps from there, it's pretty guided, and if you want, you could upload certain images from Flickr (depends on copyright license).


 * To create articles on Wikipedia, you have to go to w:Wikipedia:Article_wizard and follow the steps there. I've only made three articles on Wikipedia, and they're all stubs. If you want, you could also go to the Simple Wikipedia, which is where I make my Wikipedia articles (with my best one being Aircalin). You might also want to ask, since he's a sysop on Wikipedia.


 * Also, there's no need to call me sir, I'm a lot younger than most people on this site, and I'm not an admin either. Hope this helps. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * These directions are for editing the wikitext. If you use the visual editor (where the article is shown mostly the same regardless of whether you are editing) you have "easy to use" icons for doing the same things. There may be some third option on mobile. But if you get to the wikitext you can copy any code from any article, and if it doesn't contain too "smart" templates, it should work.


 * The upload wizard on Commons may feel daunting, but it is mostly quite straight forward and you will get used to it. You could look at some similar images to see what categories and descriptions usually look like. Here on Wikivoyage, you mostly have to first click the image, and then the "view on Wikimedia Commons" or "description page there" links to get to the true description page. If you get to the image viewer, the link is called something like "more information".


 * If you still have problems, please tell exactly what you have been doing and what did not work.


 * –LPfi (talk) 11:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

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20:26, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Highland Cinema
Hi there - I see that you removed the listing I recently tried to add for Highland Cinema in Fort William, as being an attempt to advertise or promote a business or service. Fair comment - it's my first time editing a Wiki, so was not too aware of the requirements. Can you advise how I can make a second attempt at this with impartial, factual language, or are you able to edit my original text to make it acceptable? I feel we should definitely be listed as something to either see or do in the town, though not even sure which! As we have a café bar too, we could also be included under the eat and drink sections. Any guidance you can provide gratefully received.

Thanks, Hamish —The preceding comment was added by HighlandCinema (talk • contribs)


 * Hello and welcome. Did you read the links posted to your talk page? Read the welcome, business owners page and the don't tout guidelines, and then if you have more questions, feel free to ask them in a reply below. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:10, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for replying Ikan Kekek. Sorry for not responding Hamish, as it was 03:27 in my local timezone so I haven't had a chance. I don't have anything much to add onto that, apart from the advice Ikan has given you. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Emptying user pages
I think we should not blank user pages even if the user is globally locked. Adding the template is reasonable, so people know what happened, but users who have contributed constructively should have right to present themselves also after having been locked (given their presentation isn't vandalism in itself).

Removing the presentation by a user may also legally infringe on their right to be attributed, based on moral rights and the "by" clause of the licence: their contributions are attributed to the user name, which is coupled to their real life or pseudonymous identity mostly through the user page. Especially if the user name is non-descriptive, it might be deemed like changing the attributions not longer to point to themselves.

–LPfi (talk) 08:25, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry for a late response. I read this response yesterday while bludging a meeting (which had really nothing to do with me) but was too tired to respond. While I get what you're trying to say, locked users' userpages almost always have the template locked on it. While I haven't seen much people from meta adding it here, I've seen it a lot on commons. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:04, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the fingerslip rollback. Have good weekend. Ground Zero (talk) 12:16, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries, and no need to be sorry. I've made this mistake a lot (especially when I first got rollback - only on this wiki though), but once I disabled one touch click, I haven't made that mistake ever since. Enjoy your Friday. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:19, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * SHB, are you a patroller then on this wiki? We can make you one if not; no one will mind in your case. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 13:07, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, GZ made me a patroller and a temp editor in April. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:08, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Great! --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 13:10, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:11, 18 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I have seen blanking of user pages elsewhere, but I have not seen any convincing arguments for doing so. If the page is blatant touting or the user has contributed nothing that wasn't reverted, then I think blanking is OK, but if we are to attribute the user, then we should attribute them by linking to a user page in the form they chose themselves (with possible templates or manual explanations). –LPfi (talk) 13:36, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's just a commons thing. But check User:Naledi Mathatho or User:Nale Mathatho. They had userpages, and yet they have the locked template. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Those are unproblematic, as the accounts haven't contributed significantly. User:CatDog1234539 has lots of unreverted edits (I didn't check how much remains, but I suppose they haven't been edited away). –LPfi (talk) 15:18, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Guide status
I've reverted Lagos back to usable status for now because Lagos had some improperly formatted listings without enough information, IMO. City article status states that a guide status article should "closely match the manual of style" and I can't see that the article is there yet. I've instead upgraded Ibadan to guide status. Even though it has less information, it is consistently formatted, uses coordinates in almost all listings and includes detail for all listings. Let me know if you disagree or noticed something I missed. Thanks. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 14:22, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I was definitely too rewarding I see. I thought I might upgrade some of these to encourage some editors here to keep up the good work. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 23:25, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure. I don’t mind upgrading a little early for these editors, but that one just didn’t have what was necessary for status in my opinion. Thanks for your help with these contributors, though, and hopefully soon Lagos will be a guide status article. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 00:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hopefully... and I think they will. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 03:51, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Tbh, hopefully Old Oyo National Park is almost there as well. Just needs a custom pagebanner... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 04:00, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If there are pictures in Commons I could do that one. By the way as you mentioned traveling on rural routes have you ever thought about writing itineraries or travel topics to Australian roads? Could be very interesting, particularly in the Outback. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 10:22, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I've started to do some really outback ones like Strzelecki Track, National Route 83 and some really far outback towns such as Innamincka, Lyndhurst (South Australia), Menindee, Bedourie and Tibooburra. I'm still in the process of doing Stuart Highway and A32 (still need to create A32, but I've only been on 47% of the route.
 * And for OONP, I looked onto commons and flickr, sadly there were none. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow, sounds good. Thanks for writing this. All we need now is a Wittenoom article... --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 11:15, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If I only get to go to WA ;) Fun fact, Like most people who live on the east coast, I've never been to the west coast, but I've been to both the east and west coast of the US numerous times :). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:19, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow, you’ve traveled quite internationally. Australia is definitely a place I’d like to visit in the long run. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 12:18, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:21, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Editting on WikiVoyage
SHB2000Thank you for kind words.I will surely do that.Thank you so much.--Zend2020 (talk) 04:28, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries. You can come and ask me anytime if you need help. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 04:32, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Number of edits
Hey SHB2000, do you have a list of editors by their number of edits? I'm aware of such a list on Wikipedia but don't know of any here. Just curious because you seem to be aware of how many edits everyone has. Gizza ( roam ) 11:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately not. I just so happen to know everyone's edits since I have this tool enabled. It's a pretty useful tool to know whether someone wants to referred to as he or she or them. But there is a website here that has the "most active editors" which you can see here. All the best! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:01, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah thanks. The only list of sorts I know is this but it's out of date (31 Jan 2019). Search for "50 recently active wikivoyagers" and you will find two tables of Wikivoyagers by their total edit count along with other information like number of articles created and date of first edit. Gizza ( roam ) 12:33, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * On mobile, if you go to any diff, I believe it states the number of contributions by the user who made the change, if that helps. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 12:43, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It does something like this. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC) Mobile edit count.png

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Silversand
Why did you revert this edit as "Possible touting? (TwinkleGlobal)". I see nothing touty about the listing. Did you just trust Twinkle or is there something I don't see? –LPfi (talk) 12:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It's most likely just a business owner just trying to add their business here. That's obviously banned here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:32, 27 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I could be wrong, but I'm not sure a business adding itself as a listing is banned (although it may well be discouraged). I'm also don't see any indication this user is associated with the business. Therefore, in this case I have to agree with User:LPfi. I would support restoring the listing. This edit may stand out because not many business listings have been added of late due to the pandemic, but as some places re-open, we may see more users adding business listings for places they have visited. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 13:04, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Touting is banned, and Welcome business owners clearly indicate that a business may contribute to Wikivoyage, but aren't allowed to list their own business. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't see where it says that businesses can't list their own business. I see in that page the following: "The key guideline is: "Don't tout." Save the sales pitch and just tell it like it is." That seems to tolerate business owners adding their own business listing. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 13:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, wrong page. In Don't tout, there's a section in here that states the following:

"Because there is an inherent conflict of interest when someone is being paid for their edits, if you are working for a hotel chain, a marketing agency, or a similar organization then you may not add listings for that business to Wikivoyage articles."


 * Since this user added a campsite onto the Silversand, would that count as touting? I could be wrong, but if I am, feel free to revert me, although I would like to know what User:Ikan Kekek would call this (has dealt with touts all the time). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:22, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * But I'll revert myself for now, until Ikan says something about this. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:24, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Looking at the wording specifically, maybe too specifically, it refers to "hotel chain" and "marketing agency." This isn't a chain, which is covered at Boring. It's also not a marketing agency for an organization similar to either of these. That's my take, but definitely Ikan Kekek is the expert in the area of touting and might have a different opinion. --Comment by  Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 13:26, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * That's very true. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:28, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. And I think that wording is intentionally telling about those two categories and not individual business owners. For a place like Rishikesh, we might not want the umpteenth company listing themselves with little useful information, so I understand if we are a bit harsh there. But for Hanko we had one sole hotel and no campsite before the edit. I believe there are more than a few accommodations there (it's a resort town, beside an industry and port one), but probably not more campsites than what will fit nicely (I'd guess three or so). For such an article I'd just detout even an obviously touty listing. –LPfi (talk) 13:53, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * This listing, which started this discussion, is not that informative but contains no touting whatsoever. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:52, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

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16:32, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Nice work on the Nigeria cafe
I'm starting to come around to the idea that you should be an admin. ;-) Ground Zero (talk) 17:16, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:39, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Awesome work @SHB2000 I totally agree with Ground Zero it is nice to have so much help .We are truly overwhelmed with the kindness and great spirit of collaboration.--Zend2020 (talk) 18:20, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you Zend2020! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:46, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Sydney Harbour
This page is linked the lede of the new article. It’s called a disambiguation page but doesn’t resemble one. Any ideas for what to do with it? Should it be redirected to the Sydney Harbour Park article? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 03:26, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Probably. But it could also mean Sydney/Harbour Islands. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 03:28, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Itinerary time
You might want to check your "time taken" entry in Nigeria café and specify means of transport, road quality etc: "by helicopter, without stops"? :-) –LPfi (talk) 09:29, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:32, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Done that, but not sure what else to add. Also by all means, if you want to, you can edit my post. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * You still say 240 km in 2 hr. That is quite som speed. Are there 240 km stretches of motorways in Nigeria? I don't think we have any in Finland. –LPfi (talk) 09:41, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Okay, so I as usual, have chosen a terrible example (I was thinking of average speeds in the US and Australia.) Apparently it looks like a good A route's speed limit is only around 70km/h based on this. I was also having the same mentality that expressways have the same speed limit as rural roads, but it's not (Australia is just an exception). After doing some research though, there's no chance of going 120km/h on an expressway like this. I'll change the example to 240km in 4 hrs. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:51, 1 July 2021 (UTC)




 * I did some edits. Feel free to improve. The 60 km/h of your research is better than my 80 km/h, based on our country roads (I knew they would't match, but I had no better estimate).


 * On the Do/Sleep/...: I did include a Sleep section in Understand of Nordkalottleden, and I think a similar section could be used in some Nigerian itineraries; although most of that should go into Nigeria, itineraries through a national park or similar could have enough of special considerations.


 * –LPfi (talk) 10:23, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the edits. Mostly Australian rural roads are 100-130km/h on flat roads, and around 80-100km/h on alpine roads. At least your example of 80km/h is better than my 120.  SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:15, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * In Florida the limit is 120km/h but 140 km/h isn’t unheard of and some go even faster (urban areas included). You avoid motorways when possible! --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 14:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * While in NSW the max is only 110, it seems to be quite controversial (as the government is thought to just claim money off fines). But there's 130 in other parts of the country (and there was once no speed limit, but that came to an end when Labor took over). But like most people, we just go 120 on highways where there's no police, and a car only comes once an hour (so approx 24 cars per day) including some like this. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * 100 km/h requires good roads, much better than what I suppose most country roads are in Nigeria. Over here in Finland we have forest), and in 100 km/h you'd have no chance to avoid wildlife stepping out on the road (except with very wide shoulders, such as in Lapland and by motorways: highways have wildlife fences, but you need to let the animals through somewhere). Environmentally, I've heard that (certain?) small birds, eating insects above the road, can avoid cars coming in 80 km/h, but not those driving 90 km/h. Moreover, in highway speeds air resistance dominates the fuel consumption equation, and air resistance doubles from 90 km/h to 130 km/h. –LPfi (talk) 13:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I have been traumatised from going 100km/h these days at dusk, as I was in a car that almost hit a kangaroo last Saturday (was as a passenger), but that was at dusk in the Snowy Mountains. But there's also roads like this that it's quite hard to believe there's a 100km/h limit. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:44, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Hi SHB2000. I appreciate that dealing with some new users is difficult, but we need to avoid edit summaries such as this one as representatives of a community. Thanks. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 13:36, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I was just annoyed at this user because doing SWViewer Patrolling would ideally mean you'd get a fair share of problems with all wikis but there was an excess of WV problems, and I suspect I've seen a user like this before. Hopefully, I'll change my attitude for dealing with users like this better next time. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Understandable, no worries just wanted to make clear policy on the matter. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 02:13, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I shouldn't make this mistake at all after Friday. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 02:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

You said you didn’t understand why I got TPA revoked on Wikipedia.
I think the reason why I got TPA revoked on Wikipedia was because Wolfson didn’t think I was ready to be on Wikipedia yet due to that scandal I was involved in that lead to the block, and the fact that I breached his restrictions in the first place. I pledged never to make stupid mistakes like that again during my unblock request (which the TPA unrevoked just for), but instead got TPA re-revoked for insolence. We’ll see what happens in November. The only mistake I made in Wikivoyage however was that pointless discussion Ikan Kekek was talking about, in presidents of the United States.

Anyways, how’s life? JTZegers (talk) 18:52, 3 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Makes sense to me, lets see how that goes in November. Anyway life's good for me, only without Covid. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:48, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

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17:33, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Organised crime
Just so you know, we have an Organized crime article. I did mention Ned Kelly in that article, though I don't know if you think it's appropriate. But in any case, if you know about any tourist sites connected to organised crime in Australia, please feel free to expand. The dog2 (talk) 22:22, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link. Wasn't aware of the article. Apart from Ned Kelly sites, I'm not sure on any other place. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:58, 6 July 2021 (UTC)


 * You could expand to include other Australian cities like Sydney and Perth, if you are familiar with them. The dog2 (talk) 00:01, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Not sure about any organized crime in Syd or Perth. I've only studied about the Kellys before, but I could expand on more Kelly sites there. I could also add things about Harry Powers, but I'm not too familiar with that. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:27, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * You already created the Ned Kelly article, so it makes sense to put things related to Ned Kelly in that article you created instead of the organised crime article. Just wondering if you knew more. The dog2 (talk) 01:09, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Sadly not. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:13, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * A little late reply, but this came to mind. Maybe either Vaticidalprophet would know more about SA, LivelyRatification may know more about Victoria, and Graham87 would be more familiar with WA. Unfortunately, in the two states I've lived in, having just done some research, none so famous in NSW or Qld. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:19, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Admin
Congratulations, you have joined the mop and pail crew! You will see some new tools, which you're probably familiar with from your work on other Wikis. Always feel free to lean on me and other admins, but also remember that we gave you a vote of confidence and trust you to use these tools wisely.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:01, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. Would you have any advice for me, on top of the advice about dealing with vandals and Brendan? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:16, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Nothing more than what I said in the nomination thread about not worrying much about Brendan and not getting burnt out. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:34, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * also, if you didn't know. a lot of his accounts from the last 21 days were CU confirmed and thus, now locked. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:36, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter much. His vandalism is easily reverted, he uses one account for 1-2 edits, and he doesn't do real damage other than through copyvio if it isn't reverted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:35, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

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Template talk:Yy and the protection of your user talk page
A talk page about a deleted template, crediting a Wikipedia article. We normally don't delete any talk pages of articles that legitimately existed before, but maybe we should in this case.

On a more important matter, I think that the edit protection of your user talk page should have been lifted when you became an administrator. I don't think administrators are supposed to limit access to their user talk pages. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:18, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * For the template, I deleted it because the code wouldn't work, so I chose to use a table instead for portraying userboxes.


 * Unfortunately, you'd think that after three months, I'd be free from Ljupco harassment, but unfortunately I am still not. While no vandalism on my user and talk pages for a while, I still get email threats on my old email which I no longer use. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I get email notifications, too. Goes with the territory. I suggest you end the limited access to your user talk page. If not, I think we'll have to discuss at Wikivoyage talk:User rights nominations why it's OK for you as an administrator to limit access to your user talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:36, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ will be removed in one hour. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sorry to be so assertive about this. You understand why an IP user might legitimately want to discuss stuff with you, I think. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:58, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * True. I'll still leave my IP talk page open though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Long blocks of Brendan IPs or usernames
What's the point in that? I never block his accounts anymore, as he uses an account once or twice and then creates another. Only when I'm really in doubt that it's him do I post a user talk page message. I fear you may be too obsessed with him. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:31, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Unblocked. Also it seems like he's moved from Sydney to the Sunshine Coast in the past month, which may also explain the lack of reverts we've done in the last week or two. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:04, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

userbox
I'll check it out later. Thank u very much! Azmi1995 (talk) 11:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:20, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

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Good wishes to you
I hope that you are able to get on top of your health issues quickly. It must be difficult dealing with the health care system when its focus is on the pandemic. Ground Zero (talk) 12:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the wishes. I do certainly agree with the focus on the pandemic, and I wish I could get vaccinated, but yet the government here is still in their "over 40s" rollout, with the vaccine rollout quite mixed up with Pfizer and AstraZeneca here. How's it like up there? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:14, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Our government realized that there was no point in relying on Trump's US for vaccines, so it made deals with European manufacturers, because the Europeans would trade fairly, wouldn't they? They didn't. Europe was blocking exports for a while, so we got started after the US, UK and Europe, but we caught up quickly. Now almost 80% of people 12 and up have had at least one shot, and 50% are fully vaxxed, so new cases have fallen in Ontario (13.5 million people) from almost 4000/day to 150. Hospitals are working on the backlog of non-Covid treatments. Restaurants, shops and gyms are reopening, but some services are still not available. Most people I know are fully vaccinated now, so we are starting to see friends in person, in small groups, outside if possible. I'm still being careful, but looking forward to starting a big road trip in about a month from now, and hoping that the Northwest Territories will be open by the time I get there. I'll still go on the trip though even if NWT is closed. My first shot was AstraZeneca, with some side effects, and the second was Pfizer, with none. I know no-one who had anything other than temporary side effects. I have one friend who got covid after his first shot, and it was bad, but he was not hospitalized, and made a full recovery. We know other people who lost family members. Stay safe. Ground Zero (talk) 12:28, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That seems a lot better than the Australian government did. Ours did the same as well, and relied on Europe. But they were also blocking exports here, so we only started three months after the US. Now, there's only 10% of the population fully vaccinated with 28% having received a jab (includes the 10% as well). Government had too much hope on AZ and so they only ordered about 10 million Pfizer doses, until there was a survey after someone had died after taking AZ, showing that a majority of under 50 wanted Pfizer, which led to a large disruption of vaccines. Later it was said that only over 60's were able to take AZ but over 40's can take it if they want, but Pfizer was coming soon. And then a hotel quarantine breach (Delta strain) led to our premier not putting a lockdown and now it's gone to a disaster with about 100 cases a day, needing contact tracers from interstate/interterritory (if interterritory is a thing). It also spread to neighbouring Victoria as well, so now they're also in lockdown with us. So still most people I know are unvaccinated, or only on their first dose.


 * Hope I can go to my trip back up to the skifields when lockdown is over, even though I'm probably not going to get my vaccine for at least another three months, and maybe into neighbouring South Australia or at least the western part of New South Wales. But until then, I'll probably only be drafting articles on fr.wikivoyage where there was only one article for the entirety of New South Wales (Now there's four).


 * But enjoy your road trip in a months time to the north west, and stay safe. Covid has really made people explore their own backyards (not in Europe though) :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:44, 18 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I hope you recover soon and are able to get vaccinated. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:45, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

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15:32, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Please avoid loose talk
Especially now that you're an admin yourself, I would appreciate if you wouldn't make statements like this. The fact that you weren't there in 2018 doesn't mean it's OK for you to cast any whiff of aspersions on those of us who were. I think you've read through the userban threads about this individual in full. If you haven't, please do so before you give any kind of acknowledgement of his outrageously self-entitled bullshit claims again. Thanks.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:17, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll try not to do that again and I apologize, but next time, could you please leave the message on commons since I made this loose statement on commons. (It's just for my record keeping so it's on the relevant wiki that I made the mistake it.) Sorry again and yes, I have read all the userban threads. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:26, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * For some extra clarification, I meant that AC may have felt that way, but not that we actually didn't follow policies (everything was to policy for extra clarification). But the second time was well clear, and there was no AC complains that we weren't following policies when we did the UBN the second time. I just said that so AC can stop blabbering about "but it was against policies". SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:34, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, they may feel that way, but acknowledging their feelings in the way you did was acknowledging that they might have been in their right. The forum was wrong for venting that discontent and for the acknowledgement. Discussing in public one needs to think about how one's statements can be interpreted and how they may affect the reputation of the project. –LPfi (talk) 09:46, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, the way how AC just went up to ANU on commons and just randomly said that, I tried my best to just calm AC down. Not acknowledging someone's feelings (including the George Reeves Person), is just plain disrespect and everyone deserves respect, don't they? But in no way was I meaning to acknowledge that AC was right about that, I just wanted to acknowledge their feelings and how they may feel. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:55, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, I can buy that. Just try to be very careful. –LPfi (talk) 10:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:04, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I just struck the comment so there's no further misinterpretations. I apologize for that comment, and I'll try my best to not do that again. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Appreciated. I posted here because I don't want to discuss this with the banned individual. And I don't think his feelings deserve respect, sorry. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:05, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I see. That makes sense and on third thought it seems like it's better to post it here so AC can't comment. Also, there's no need to be sorry to me, as I completely understand his racist words have caused harm on many, including almost, if not all user's feelings who participated in the UBN #1, and while if you compare AC with the George Reeves Person, AC's content was more intolerable, but with GRP you could just rollback his edits (unless you're one of his hated few people, and yes, to this day, I still get email threats from him), so maybe as usual, I've chosen something in the terrible examples department (including one that diverted attention from a lot of people on Wikivoyage talk:Measurements). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:14, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This person has a (worsening) tendency to write veiled threats at the Wikivoyage community and claim feelings (falsely). The way s/he added offending content disguised as district reorganization is an example of his or her sneaky behavior. Indefinite ban was the right decision on WV’s part, and I wouldn’t trust any of AC’s claimed “feelings” because these were always a motive to be allowed back into the website to write more objectionable content. If AC enters a discussion across wiki, apart from clarifying to others that this user’s comments ought to be ignored, probably best not to dignify with a response. However I do wonder if we should seek a global ban on AC, since this pattern of trolling is disruptive and represents his objectionable behavior carrying over multiple wikis. And the anti-Semitic statements he slipped into articles during district reorganization to avoid being noticed would certainly be enough to convince the Wikimedia community to enact a ban. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 10:39, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Is a global ban even a thing (there's locks, but that isn't the same)? But the only good thing in my opinion about AC is their work on nl.voy, which is cleaning up Luchy04's copyvios. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:42, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

See Global bans. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 10:46, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * AC would fail the criteria in this case, but if they do get blocked on another WMF project, he may as well pass. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:49, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * True. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 10:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

User:Melody (actress)
Why did you block her indefinitely? I would ask what she wants to upload a photo of and why, but I don't see any evidence yet that she's a spambot. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:42, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Look at their contributions on other wikis as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:50, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Also they are locked. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * OK. And thanks for taking care of the unblacklisting. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:19, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:21, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

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21:11, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Philosophy
You might be interested in reading about immediatism and eventualism. Most contributors fall somewhere between the extremes, but if you tend towards the one, you may find yourself frustrated with people who naturally tend towards the other. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:48, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the articles. Definitely good articles to read :). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. There are a number of interesting pages tucked away over at Meta-Wiki.  One of my favorites is The Wrong Version.    WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * tbh these are even better than those on Meatball wiki in my opinion :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:00, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * My favorite there is meatball:GoodBye. What's yours?  WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:50, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Nice. Mine is DefendEachOther, which has been quite relevant to me since April. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:40, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I like that one, too. We don't always do enough of it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:54, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree, but it was well used in 2013 (for Wrh2 and PeterFitzgerald). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:00, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

information reverted
Moved from User talk:SHB2000/IP talk page

the addition I just made is simply to expand the information to travel in buenos aires and the link I have put is only a directory of remises that I found when I went to argentia. —The preceding comment was added by Snakepet73 (talk • contribs)


 * Read What not to link to. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:13, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Redirect to userspace
I don't think redirects from the template space to user space are something we should have. There is a host of problem with those, in principle and in practice. I don't think that is a controversial standing.

s did not have community support, and I think there was consensus against it. You wanted it moved to user space, and that is OK. But leaving the redirect means in effect that the template remains, just that the community has lost control over it, which is kind of unacceptable.

When I first changed the redirect, I supposed Support would work as support. When I noticed it don't (which is odd, but seemingly the original behaviour), I added a default handling that obvious use. I suppose that after my change (which I did 3 hr before your revert), your edit comment "[...] does not work on its own so it may cause disruption to wherever it's used" is no longer true.

Could you check that I am right and revert your revert.

–LPfi (talk) 11:31, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The reason I reverted your edit was because it has been used in some discussions. It may not have got community support, but deleting it or breaking the redirect would cause some issues on pages where it is used.


 * For starters, I'm usually OK with people editing my subpages, just not my userpage (hence the protection), my archives (also protected) and other protected pages. So maybe I should redirect it back to s meaning the community would have control over it.


 * So in conclusion, I wouldn't change the redirect target.


 * --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:48, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * You could move the template back, overwriting the redirect, pending the conclusion of the discussion – where is it? Was it in the Pub? I cannot find it right now. But if the solution was to move the template to your user space instead of deleting it outright, then it should be moved without redirect.


 * It is used in some discussions, which is why I redirected it to support, which should work well enough. Did you check before reverting me? Did you check as I asked you to now? Is there some issue left with using that template?


 * Of course, if also support should be deleted, then we need another solution. I don't think substituting the template call with &lt;nowiki> would be too bad: the template is used in archived discussions, and those who use an experimental template shouldn't be too surprised if it gets deleted. And indeed: using an experimental template cannot be a way to get it saved from deletion.


 * –LPfi (talk) 14:46, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll revert myself, but I'll try and get support fixed first. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * OK, fine. But please first tell me what's wrong with my version. –LPfi (talk) 08:48, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:50, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Do not change other users' comments
Do not change others users' comments. Your change to my comment completely changed the meaning, which is deceptive and absolutely inappropriate. Do not do that again. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:03, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * we do have a custom of deleting abusive comments. When I deleted the Pub discussion heading calling the work the SHB2000 and I do on skeleton articles a "Redirect Cult", that move was supported by several editors. The author of that attack later acknowledged the "it should have been left unsaid".
 * Was your comment abusive, or just hostile? That is a matter of opinion. But couldn't you find a less hostile way of making your point? The internet is full of toxic environments; let's not let Wikivoyage become one of them. One of the Nigeria Expedition participants told me that "Wikivoyage is much friendlier than Wikipedia". I think that is a strength we should preserve.
 * Everything SHB2000 has done here has been to improve Wikivoyage, so this type of comment makes when you lash out in the way you did, you make Wikivoyage less fun.
 * SHB2000 started the AfD discussion because he believes that discouraging the creation of redirects from search terms people never use will improve Wikivoyage. You are free to disagree with him, but I encourage you to do so in a friendlier way. If someone is criticized attacked for even starting a discussion in a collaborative project, they will be less likely to do so again, and less likely to contribute.
 * I have no doubt that I have made hostile remarks in the past, and I am going to do my best to avoid doing so again. Ground Zero (talk) 15:11, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I apologize for phrasing comments in an unkind way. I'll try to work on that, and on remembering that text doesn't convey tone of voice. I think it's reasonable to remove abusive comments, but it's inappropriate to modify another user's comment to change its meaning. —Granger (talk · contribs) 17:52, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Question: How did that change the meaning? And I believe has it all covered. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:51, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Let's remind ourselves what Granger's comment said. It said: "Can't we find better ways to improve Wikivoyage than debating whether or not to keep wordy but harmless redirects?". That's not "hostile" or "abusive". That doesn't look like someone "lashing out", nor does it look like an "attack", nor is it "toxic" (nor, for the record "unkind"). And it's not remotely comparable to the attention-seeking, bullying rubbish posted in the Pub about the "redirect cult". I completely understand that when nastiness is introduced to a project in that way, it can make us feel less secure about expressing ourselves freely and put us on guard in expectation of further attacks. But bear in mind that it can also make us more sensitive to disagreement, perceiving instances of such as criticism, and seeing attacks where there aren't any. And unfortunately, I think, the latter is what's happened here.

I'm sorry to say that I find your message above an inappropriate response to a polite suggestion that the community may have better ways to spend its time (not a suggestion I agreed with, by the way, but one which I found totally reasonable and well within the bounds of good faith, politeness, and decency). Without getting into specific examples, it's a type of comment I've seen you make numerous times when you perceive us to be wasting time on e.g. political content or historical background info. On such occasions, you suggest that we instead focus our efforts on writing travel content. Often, your perception is justified and the community agrees with you; other times it's not and we don't. But I don't believe you've ever been attacked or criticised for simply suggesting we move on to other things; if you have, you shouldn't have been.

The specific words of yours I quoted above (hostile, abusive, toxic, attack, lashing out) are so far from my reading of Granger's comment, that even though you believe them to be apt, I honestly don't even know where you got them from. And I feel that they've unfortunately injected a degree of unpleasantness into this discussion that didn't have to be. Genuine question: how would you go about making Granger's comment friendlier? I'm serious; please demonstrate how you would rephrase that comment to make it less abusive and more friendly, while still making the same point.

I also thought the censorship of Granger's comment was inappropriate. , if you found the comment offensive, you could have gone on Granger's talk page, said "Hey, I found your comment on VFD hurtful because of x and y" and it could have been sorted out between you. One of your key strengths I've observed of you, at least on WV, is your force of personality. You're honest and up front, but also charismatic and likeable; in short, you're more than capable of handling a disagreement directly instead of through censorship.

Perhaps we could all consider these (slightly modified) wise words: "If someone is attacked (and censored) for writing a polite opinion on a collaborative project, they will be less likely to do so again, and less likely to contribute."--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice tt!, I'll take that into note. To the question of

"Genuine question: how would you go about making Granger's comment friendlier? I'm serious; please demonstrate how you would rephrase that comment to make it less abusive and more friendly, while still making the same point."
 * The answer is that the comment was not needed in the first place. I don't know if it's just me overreacting, but I found that quite unnecessary. I could have handled it better though, and I'll take that into account next time. Specifically, I found

"Can't we find better ways to improve Wikivoyage"
 * quite offensive considering that if you take the context out of it, it'd mean that I do nothing constructive, which is what does not get the ball rolling. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I have made similar comments in the past. That is why I wrote "I have no doubt that I have made hostile remarks in the past, and I am going to do my best to avoid doing so again." In this case, we are talking about Granger criticizing SHB2000 for bringing something up for discussion, and SHB's proposal is supported by several other contributors. SHB2000 clearly found Granger's comment to be hostile. In the case of a particular contributor who I feel contributes relatively little travel content, but spends most of his time here writing on politics and history, sometimes very inaccurately, I feel the comment is warranted. When he stirs up unnecessary political debates, it diverts other contributors from the useful work they could be doing. SHB2000 has established a record of constructive contributions.
 * I agree that as Granger is a long-established constructive editor, raising the issue on their talk page would have been a better approach for SHB2000 to take than deleting the comment. Ground Zero (talk) 11:15, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have reviewed my comments as you suggested, and changed words that I agree I shouldn't have used. Thank you for calling me out on that. I, too, need to try to be more be civil. Ground Zero (talk) 12:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks both for the measured replies. I feared I was going upset people further, but am glad this has been avoided.
 * GZ, you've misinterpreted my point about your similar comments in the past. I wasn't suggesting those comments of yours have ever been hostile, or that you shouldn't have made them. Indeed they weren't hostile, you should have made them, and I expect and hope you will again. If/when you do, you shouldn't be criticised for doing so. But equally, when another user makes a similar suggestion to move onto other things, don't criticise them for it either! We should all be free to politely state whether or not we believe something is a good use of volunteers' time. Doing so isn't an act of hostility, nor is it abusive, unless it includes hostile or abusive language. And I reiterate my view that "Can't we find better ways to improve Wikivoyage than debating whether or not to keep wordy but harmless redirects?" was neither abusive nor hostile.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:49, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm shocked by this thread. SHB2000, you do a lot of good work, which is why we wanted you to be an admin and promoted you by unanimous acclamation, but we all need to have thicker skins than to take a remark like "Can't we find better ways to improve Wikivoyage than debating whether or not to keep wordy but harmless redirects?" as such a personal attack that we edit the remark when someone else has posted it! The remark is blunt but to my mind a good way to focus us on an issue, and I agreed with the point. I don't find anything about the remark a problem, though it's possible that if I were in your shoes, I might have, but I find the editing of the remark by you a big problem, indeed. I may have missed it, but have you promised in this thread to never edit other users' comments again except in extreme situations like doxxing and so forth? Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:39, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * My view on this lies somewhere between the opinions of TT and GZ. I think we have some work to do to make Wikivoyage fun. Negativity has survived in pockets of Wikivoyage for some time and while some of it and its opinions are justified, I think it's a good time to have a more "go with the flow" attitude when a contributor or policymaker has a different opinion. At Wikipedia, negativity wasn't stamped out, and it's damaged if not destroyed the website's collaborative value. There are likely other wikis as bad for this as WP, and while WV isn't one of those, the use of policy to put down others is an issue here and I'm glad a few people are finally taking that behavior to task.
 * But we have to balance that with the right to express one's opinion whether positive or negative. I didn't agree with Granger's sentiment, but the right to express that sentiment should be defended by everyone including SHB2000. What Granger said was directly relevant to the VFD nomination and caused no harm. It's not a personal attack as Granger didn't single out anyone, and even used the first person to avoid a condescending tone. Let's not overstep our administrative bounds and good faith by targeting anything seen as negative. Removing a comment has the same effect as cutting words out of a speech or written document that is attributed to someone. If I attributed a speech or written work to someone and then removed parts of the content with which I didn't agree, that would be seen as a misrepresentation of the beliefs of the author. I agree with Ikan Kekek on this, though I wouldn't go so far as to call it a "big problem," as long as it's resolved going forward.
 * Despite that strong opinion, fundamentally, my views are more in line with those of GZ and SHB than anyone else on this thread, although I think there's merit to all sides of the discussion. On a collaborative project, we need to act as though this is a collaborative project, and we should do what we can to promote positivity across-wiki. Positive thinking seems like the best way to expand our contributor base and, therefore, our travel content. To be inclusive we need to focus on the original goal of this wiki, which is travel content, rather than removing parts of the travel content with which we don't agree. I don't think the way to promote positivity is to single out Granger and anyone else and censor them for a lack of positivity. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 18:57, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Not censored
I am a bit puzzled by your edit summary "No WMF project is censored" in response to "Edited a few of the links as some were showing adult 18+ websites". I suppose the reverted edit itself was about something else (a link was replaced by another, by a one-edit user), but I don't think we have any reason to link porn sites (isn't that what "18+ website" means?). Editorial discretion and censorship are different things. –LPfi (talk) 04:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * True... OK you know what, on third thought, I'll revert the edit. Also to just a heads up, but GRP might come back here after three hours of edit warring with him on simple (have a look at this for some context). <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 10:52, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Very long page protections
The reason I came to your talk page was not to join in the above dispute, but actually to ask that you don't place unreasonably long protections on pages. Examples I'm referring to are:
 * Chess semi-protected indefinitely - I have lifted this protection. If we permanently stop unconfirmed users from editing a page on our guide, on account of an LTA's activities on another wiki, then we're unwittingly allowing that LTA to set the agenda.
 * Liverpool semi-protected for two years - I have reduced to one month, which can be increased gradually if the page is targetted again in September. Two years is far too long for new users to be unable to edit a popular page on "the travel guide that you can edit". Again, we mustn't allow the vandals to set the agenda.
 * Talk:Gori semi-protected for two years - Talk pages should be protected for just long enough to stop the vandalism; two years is an excessively long time, particularly if down the line the article Gori gets protected for one reason or another.

By contrast, the nonsense word Hjudfyrta being fully protected (until July 3022!) is a good use of the tool. There's no conceivable good-faith use of a page under that name, so protecting it forever was the best course of action. I doubt Wikivoyage will still be here in 1000 years, but if it is then a place called Hjudfyrta might have been built; it may even be a natural evolution of a modern city's name like Hertford!--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, so maybe I'm taking this Lupco's email threats too seriously. I'll try and not listen to those. And for the 3022 one, yes, I was just testing out whether the mw software allows it, and yes it does. But thanks for letting me know. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd advise you to not even read those emails, let alone act upon them. That's some cool software. I wonder how far into the future it goes? Can we give an indefbanned user a symbolic 100 consecutive life sentences? (8000 years) :D --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:06, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hjudfyrta does sound like Old Norse and could theoretically be some really small place in central Sweden or Norway... --Ypsilon (talk) 14:11, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I googled it for that reason just to make sure. It'll probably be a desk lamp sold by Ikea before too long.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * On the time: MediaWiki uses boring 31 December 9999 as upper bound. I thought it would use plain 64-bit Unix time, which extends quite a bit past the lifetime of the sun. I don't know the last estimates on the lifetime of the universe, though. –LPfi (talk) 16:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * On the time: MediaWiki uses boring 31 December 9999 as upper bound. I thought it would use plain 64-bit Unix time, which extends quite a bit past the lifetime of the sun. I don't know the last estimates on the lifetime of the universe, though. –LPfi (talk) 16:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I feel quite stupid here, but do Ikea sell table lights? I've only ever been to Ikea once and I got lost in the maze then (which was I think in 2012). I thought they were only a shop that sells all these types of small life hacks items plus some other random things? <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-31
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This Month in Education: July 2021
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New golden route
Ever since you updated the new golden route article it seems I can only edit source making it less comfortable to edit, was it caused by the upgrade or something else? Thank you


 * , I don't think it was because of the upgrade. That wouldn't cause it, and I don't think there's anything with the template. Perhaps, do you know why? Also, please remember to sign your comments with 4 tildes at the end. ( ~ ) <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:42, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Fixed it, it seems I bumped something that defaulted source as my preferred editing style. I'm incredibly sorry for bothering you. Tai123.123 (talk) 00:54, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * There's no need to be sorry. I'm here to help :) <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:00, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

One more that how do you attach links to the marker template like you did with the tokyo marker Tai123.123 (talk) 04:28, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Just add the markup around. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, sorry for bothering you again, I just realized I could create discussion on the New golden route page and will choose to post their instead of messaging you directly. Along with that I'm curious why you speak basic Nauruan and what your realationship with the country is ? (If this is too personal you don't have to answer) Tai123.123 (talk) 05:12, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I actually have nothing to do with Nauru at all (although it was once an Australian territory, it gained independence in the 70s, well before I was born). The scale comes where I and tried to revive the Nauruan wikipedia. The knowledge of Nauruan and how it worked was a great side effect. Nothing too personal. I can even speak a little bit of other indigenous Australian languages but I only really learned a little bit of two of them because I wanted to learn where I lived. Cheers, <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:18, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, I'll try to not bother you again —The preceding comment was added by Tai123.123 (talk • contribs)
 * There's no need to worry. If you notice at the top, I've even wrote that "Feeling bored and want to have a chat, I'm more than happy to do so." --<font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:51, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Abuse filter?
I noticed fhat https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/54784 was caught by the abuse filter. It seems like a good edit. Do you know why it was caught in this manner? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 10:18, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Because they legit copypasted it from Yas Island. That's not a good edit. --<font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Doing some further investigations, the string "building" was triggered. --<font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

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16:21, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Minimal use of templates
Hi. This rollback was a mistake, and then my internet helpfully dropped off a cliff, so I couldn't quickly undo. But now I think about it, the template you've employed needs approval by the community before deployment.

The introduction is Using MediaWiki templates is pretty clear that:


 * "In general, a template should be discussed prior to being created or modified."

and then under "New Mediawiki template proposals":


 * "Before a new MediaWiki template is put into general use it needs to be discussed and accepted as good or preferably best practice. Until such acceptance, new templates will be tagged , and should not be added to more than one low-visibility article—so not Paris. (If other editors object to that addition, though, expect it to be removed until a consensus is reached.) If new templates fail to gain community support, they will eventually be deleted."

It's been noted to you more than once to you by different people that the English Wikivoyage tries to minimise our use of templates. This being said again, I would appreciate it if you could slow down on new template creation, and particularly on their implementation. For those new template ideas that you really think are useful, please can you follow the correct procedure outlined in policy? I believe we also need to add approved new templates to the Template index, though this might be worth checking with someone else.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi TT. If you're aware of a little bit of the discussion, see User talk:Ground Zero for some background. While I must admit I make a lot of templates, probably being the second most person into templates, after Wauteurz, but I believe this one didn't need approval, since it was just turning an existing template, into a better one, and I would call formatbox more of an extension to infobox rather than a brand new one. This is also similar to exchange rates.


 * Regarding that en.voy doesn't use much templates, it rather seems discouraging shortcuts if you look at it from a technical perspective. From a non-technical perspective, it seems like an excessive load, and a bunch of new things to learn. In speaking of that, you know already how much templates fr.voy has (including some just for hours! but I'm not opposed to that). But I'll use a quick example of one of my recent templates Vline. It basically is just a quick way that produces images from commons, but without having to search for the file, instead just type for example  producing  and it takes about 10 seconds to do that. Probably the best used template is u, which provides a much cleaner layout than ping, when it's meant to be used anywhere but the start of the paragraph (or the end, which is what looking at LibMod's socks do per the EF)


 * Before I go on what I'm going to say next, I'll add this quote that mentioned

"If someone is criticized for even starting a discussion in a collaborative project, they will be less likely to do so again, and less likely to contribute."
 * To change that into this context, I'll change it to

"If someone is criticized for even creating new material in a collaborative project, they will be less likely to do so again, and less likely to contribute."
 * And I have to very much agree with that. Do I have to initiate approval for every single barncompass I create? The most logical answer is no, and rather to create a mass nom, but I fear from past experience, it'll just get rejected, and per "they will be less likely to do so again", which has lead me to not start discussions in the pub about templates, because I'll just be criticized.


 * For that matter, I am however planning to propose to change the template policy. Templates takes hours to make, with many trial and errors to happen. Letting it just go into the trash with no or little consideration for the effort done isn't exactly what the author of the template wanted, and it very much explains why we have very few technical people here, and no active interface admins (I might put myself up to it soon).


 * I however will, slow down my use of templates, and I won't be one of the technical people who would end up leaving because of the strict policy on templates, but if we're going to have such criticism on editors who are into templates, we're going to go down the way that Commons is going. ( would know why).


 * Cheers, --<font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Policy discussions take time, and it's important to be patient with that and not do things like get permission to use the "support" template on your user talk page only and then use and propagate it widely. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * They do take time, and I acknowledge that, however, I will not take being criticized for making such templates. (for some extra clarification, neither of you two were criticizing me, so just an FYI) <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict that means some of this may be redundant but I'm not rewriting it all only for another edit conflict to occur) Thanks for the clarification that you didn't see my message as a criticism. It certainly wasn't; I was just making you aware of and asking you to follow our established policy.
 * "Do I have to initiate approval for every single barncompass I create?" - A brainlessly strict interpretation of the current policy would insist that you do, but I don't think barncompasses are quite the same thing as other templates, as they're not used in the travel guide; they're just a bit of fun between users and a nice way to thank each other. Now if some user were to create an offensive barncompass, we could easily deal with that by deleting it and potentially taking action against the user.
 * However, the current policy does require that you initiate approval for every single template you intend to use in mainspace or projectspace. I understand you find the current requirements restrictive, and you're very welcome to propose a change to that requirement on Wikivoyage talk:Using MediaWiki templates. I might even support this if I find the argument persuasive. But until that requirement is changed by the wider community, we all have to edit based on the existing policy, because that's how a community project built on consensus works.
 * So, if you haven't done so already, we do need to remove formatbox from the various talk pages you've added them to (you can keep it in use on one of them as a demo per the policy) and if you want to see it widely used in future, you'll need to open a general community discussion.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll leave it on some as a demo, but will remove the others. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

You should be willing to address questions about why a template is useful or needed. I don't know whether you'd consider that being criticized for making templates, but it goes with the territory on a wiki. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * To address why it's useful. Here's a list below:

Advantages Disadvantages
 * 1) Less chance for typos. If there's a typo, then it will be detected. For one of them, I remember the currency being the country name. With this, it's automatically added
 * 2) More consistency. It's easy to miss something when manually doing it every time, and I have caught some
 * 3) easy to change. If a country switches from 12 to 24 or vice versa, then just change the numbers.
 * 4) Much more easier to read (while editing). Phone number format? There's a line for that. With the old template, there wasn't.
 * 5) And most of all, it makes absolutely zero difference when reading. Just makes it easier to add and modify.
 * 1) None. Except for everyone who is against my templates
 * --<font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with the time and phone number format (etc.) template you've been putting on country talk pages. Just go through the procedure to get permission to use it. However, I objected to the "talk page stalker" template and object to that expression, too. So I will pick and choose. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:22, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The tps template is just so I don't have to go typing. (Talk page stalker) . I'm probably just being lazy here ;). <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you're really lazy, just type your post. I don't like that creepy expression and would like to stamp it out. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * See w:simple:Template:Tps for where I got the idea from. (p.s. What's creepy about it?) <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that the conversation about this formatting template should happen somewhere other than your userspace. Two ideas for potential venues are the Pub or Wikivoyage talk:Time and date formats.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * And when you do so, I would advise that you drop the "Except for everyone who is against my templates" which makes it sounds as though you're taking legitimate disagreement personally.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:39, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll probably drop that and add a less biased reason. --<font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In this case, I don't care where you got the idea about "talk page stalker" from, because I think it's a bad idea that we should do our best to quash on this site. You think stalkers aren't creepy? All wikis are charged with making ourselves more hospitable to women. If I as a man find such an expression really offputting and disturbing, how do you think women who have to deal with real-life stalking every freakin day would react to it? I've known women who are in just such a position. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:42, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've reworded it to "Talk page oversighter", if that's not creepy for you. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

SHB, I've noticed you lately doing "odd" things (possibly, in the views of some, and not a personal attack) such as fixing comment signatures from weeks ago and adding these templates. Much of this is good, but I wonder if it's the best use of your time. You're tremendously active here and I think that's great, but it would be preferable if you could channel your enthusiasm for the site into contributing to the wiki in useful ways. I've done the same things myself, such as introducing proposals that didn't get consensus support, and in time we all find our niches on-wiki. But there are expeditions and the Maintenance panel (we have a couple thousand dead external links if anyone wants to take them on) which are there if anyone's looking for things to do. When I find my work on the Florida articles exhausting, I turn to the maintenance panel for less demanding tasks.

You're ability to create templates is great, but I think we need to recognize at times there's no need to create or edit any templates because what we already have is working fine. I'm unusually active on wiki at the moment, but I fear if there's even a period of even two weeks where I have other things to do, I'll come back and find a dozen new templates I don't know how to use.

What do we mean by "talk page stalker"? I agree with the others that I don't support the user of these words. I don't think changing the word to "oversighter" is the way to resolve this, however, because following user talk page discussions is normal and people have a right to put any pages on their watchlists &mdash; that's why they are public. If anyone were to use userspaces on-wiki to stalk someone, such as constantly post harassing messages, we'd need to deal with it seriously and without template shortcuts and acronyms. I'd support deleting the "Talk Page Stalker/Oversighter" template, as I don't think there's ever a time when a serious accusation shouldn't be spelled in full.

But I don't think any of this should get in the way of the great contributions you've been making over the past six months, I'm just of the opinion that it would be better not to create any new templates for a while. The community is accepting of the templates (and lack of them) currently in place. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 14:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've made the discussion about v line in the pub, and will do these one by one, so the pub isn't overloaded with new template suggestions. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

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Editing "typos"
Hi. Could you please read what you're "correcting"? I appreciate the corrections you're making but you're also making lots of mistakes that would be pretty bad if someone weren't following up and fixing them. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:00, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * okay, so I do have to say it does make a lot of mistakes. So when I click "Replace" and get a notifications saying "could not find suspected word in article", it takes me down to a different part of the page and then corrects that. Some are my own mistakes as well like "arailway" to "railway", although I'd have wished there was more context in this tool. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:03, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The tool does not make mistakes. It might help you more or less, and even mislead you, but you have to do your decisions yourself. If the tool is unreliable, you have to be that much more careful. –LPfi (talk) 09:36, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not the tool, it's the lag that's causing it. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:29, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The lag? If you use a tool to do edits, you are as responsible for them as without the tool. Tools that can make significant damage (such as by making a sentence incomprehensible, be it because of deficiencies in the tool itself or server problems) should not be used, unless you make sure you do the checking and cleaning up, at least to the same standard as your manual edits. –LPfi (talk) 15:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, but if I bring up a commons example, but that's sorta saying if I move a file, and the file moving process guides me to CommonsDelinker, and CD doesn't do its job, who to blame? <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:14, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Moving a file is established procedure, CommonsDelinker just a bonus. With your current tool one could say that getting rid of a hundred typos is worth one mistake, but I'd say that while getting rid of typos is good, a few typos aren't that important, so mistakes should be very rare for the work to be worthwhile. Nobody is perfect of course, and mistakes happen also in manual edits, so just do your best. –LPfi (talk) 07:18, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Wait, so CD is a new thing? Had always thought that CD used to do all the work, and that file moving under user accounts were a new thing. Didn't know that. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:27, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Help with dynamic maps
For some reason the prefectures of Nagano and Niigata are not highlighted on the Chubu map can you fix it, Thank you! Tai123.123 (talk) 06:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I actually don't know how to fix that, but I believe someone like who knows how to work with the map might have a better answer. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:39, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiSP Newsletter #3 (2021-08)
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Ireland
Hi. You're aware of the history of British oppression and genocidal behavior in Ireland? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:13, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm aware, but is there any difference in spelling? I know it can seem controversial, but we're a travel guide and thus we avoid political debacles. (for that matter, would some countries anti-US/AU (I think you know which) have to end up using en-UK?) <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:17, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Some of them do. I don't see what's wrong with saying that Ireland uses Irish English and that their spellings are the same as in Britain. (Or most of them are? I don't know if all are.) Not all the vocabulary is the same. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:57, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

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19:28, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Important Birding Area
Important Birding Area is a proper name and has an agreed upon set of criteria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Important_Bird_Area Tai123.123 (talk) 04:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I made the edit in question. You can always revert with an edit summary to that effect. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Cooroy
Without any location info, how it is a useful listing? Also, how do you know from the location of the IP who it is? That guy has previously used IPs in other places. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry I didn't realize I could leave a summary on undo edits, i'm sorry for bothering you both Tai123.123 (talk) 04:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * That was meant to go on bird area topic, sorry Tai123.123 (talk) 04:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * For that matter, Brendan's hometown is the Sunshine Coast. A decently sized city, and occasionally those IPs geo locate to Brisbane as part of a mass IP range. SE Queensland is in lockdown so I doubt he went up to Gympie today, and furthermore, Gympie is a small town meaning their IPs often get only used by locals as part of a smaller IP location range. But I do agree that the listing isn't useful so I'll self revert myself. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * But I will also admit that Cooroy is one of my favourite towns as well, leading me to be biased... <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In that case, maybe it should have its own article, or perhaps the listing should be improved. Tai123.123, you didn't do anything wrong; don't worry. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's been about 7 years since I last visited the area, but I suppose I'd create it and then Brendan would eventually add the listings and then maybe modify it from there? (since they might be probably copyvios) <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:55, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Is awashima ready for guide
I added listings for buy and think its ready for guide Tai123.123 (talk) 17:25, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Nearly. I'd say its almost there, but needs a couple of formatting fixes. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:00, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, how do you italicize words in templates like eat or sleep as this page says i should italicize foreign words like Shokubo and Izakaya
 * Add . Replace the text with the word in Japanese. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tai123.123 (talk) 23:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * What else needs a formatting change Tai123.123 (talk) 00:06, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Some remarks. Many phone numbers are listed as "+81 0254 ..." which is wrong. They should be listed as "+81 254 ...", no leading zero for the area code. Four digit values are listed as 1234 but also as 1,234. Times before 10:00 are not listed with a leading zero; so, 9:00 should be 09:00. Time ranges are not always listed like 09:00-17:00, but also as "from 09:00 to 17:00" and "09:00 - 17:00". Some of those things might be OK for getting the Guide status but would only prevent a Star status. The phone number thing has to be solved for the Guide status. --FredTC (talk) 10:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Wait
Hi SHB, I'd appreciate it if you didn't fully protect any more templates. Thanks. If there is no protection for a template, please choose a lower level of protection than template editor. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 00:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * But for some like article status templates, it shouldn't need to be edited by anyone. Not even template editors or admins. There's always the vandals who have sleeper accounts, who's intent is to damage templates, and making it autoconfirmed is like having no protection. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:24, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd went off your usableregion, but I've lowered that as well. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that those templates "shouldn't need to be edited by anyone". I think their wordings should be changed. On the other hand, it seems too touchy an issue, so should be discussed first, and in the meantime I don't think the protections harms too much. –LPfi (talk) 11:06, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * But see SC's comment on EF43. Moreover, simple.wikipedia doesn't protect their templates, and often they are disrupted. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Rollbacks, enwiki diffs and deja vu
Re your later comment in User talk:Ground Zero - ha, I clicked them only now: our "favourite" protean colleague, who is stalking also my edits and more also offwiki. A quick "déjà vu note" plus "welcome to the club" and bows again then.

Zezen (talk) 14:19, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like Wikinger to me. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Block of user with no contributions here and no blocks elsewhere
What is "EF" and what happened here? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:24, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * They were triggering the Abuse filter. EF = Edit filter, which is what it's called on Wikibooks. Previous edits by this vandal caught by the EF are such as copying the entire page from Yas Island to Yas Island (United Arab Emirates) which was stopped because they triggered the filter. They've had some edits passed before, but they've been reverted before. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:28, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Moreover, it is just block evasion of Special:Contributions/1.42.162.236. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:30, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:52, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

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21:59, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

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20:35, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Feet
You asked what "feet" means in Eckerö guest harbour price: "€25/35 (less/more than 41 feet)". Boats at most 41" long pay €25, those longer pay €35. Should this be stated clearer? I suppose the boat folks have less difficulty understanding than others, but if you still think it is confusing, please plunge forward to clarify. –LPfi (talk) 11:21, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Looked like the imperial system to me so I was confused. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:23, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yachting is one niche where the feet have survived. Few yachters would speak of a 12.5-m yacht, although they might tell that their 41" yacht is 12.5 m, if you ask how long it is. –LPfi (talk) 11:51, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yachting is one niche where the feet have survived. Few yachters would speak of a 12.5-m yacht, although they might tell that their 41" yacht is 12.5 m, if you ask how long it is. –LPfi (talk) 11:51, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

This Month in Education: August 2021
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Recent LTA account names
So I had the RC feed for this wiki open on IRC, and see you're also active with not only blocking the whack-a-mole but also hiding the block logs and their edits. These are account names that would normally qualify for a hideuser (oversight) block until globally hidden, but we have no oversighters on this wiki. Do you think we should? DannyS712 (talk) 00:15, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Probably not. While some all of these usernames are offensive, and they've been hidden already to the point where only about 100 people can see them, and a global lock often takes no more than a day or two for accounts like these. (in saying that, some GLs have taken one week to do). <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure, they get hidden, but local blocks are still visible to admins and are treated differently, so it might be helpful. Just a thought --DannyS712 (talk) 00:24, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Plus abuse filter hits remain visible because they can only be suppressed, not admin-level hidden --DannyS712 (talk) 00:24, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, forgot about that. Then maybe it might be better to suppress it. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:28, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I don’t care too much whether someone says something stupid about me. As long as it’s reverted, I don’t think we need to go overkill just because some nerd in his mother’s basement thinks I’m the loser and not the vandal. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 02:18, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Although I would have to say that some people might not find seeing the n word in the abuse log pleasing. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:35, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't they expect to see bad words in an abuse log? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:27, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * For a native English speaker, yes and to be honest I don't really care. But most members of the small wiki monitoring team aren't native English Speakers (and often only have either en-1, en-2 and some have a level of en-3.), and sometimes they might get offended (this is from past experience communicating with non-native speakers). <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:17, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If they're getting offended by things in abuse logs, they should find something better to do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct News – Issue 3
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"use British spelling for EU articles"
I believe you meant 🇮🇪Irish English or 🇲🇹Maltese English. Post-Brexit the EU ain't using nothing British. 🇪🇺🚫🇬🇧🤣🤣🤣 Thanks for the fix, though! Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 05:42, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * lol :) Although there is something called "EU english". <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-35
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 * The wikis that have Growth features deployed have been part of A/B testing since deployment, in which some newcomers did not receive the new features. Now, all of the newcomers on 21 of the smallest of those wikis will be receiving the features.

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15:20, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Australian English
I just thought I'd bring it up here, so we don't continue to edit war. While I agree with you that Australian English and British English are not the same, my impression that Australian English is generally closer to British than to American. Yes, I am aware that some American terms are better known in Australia than their British equivalents, but my impression is that they're not the majority. Of course, I lived in Adelaide, so perhaps your experience as someone from Sydney would be different. It is certainly possible that Adelaide is more conservative and still retains many British terms, while Sydney has a stronger American influence and thus adopted many more American terms. For instance, people in Adelaide say they go to the "toilet", while Americans say "bathroom". What do you guys use in Sydney? The dog2 (talk) 17:58, 31 August 2021 (UTC)


 * We use bathroom in Sydney and all it needs is a toilet and a sink, and a lot of American terms, most of them having switched after WWII (after no longer trusting Britain from protecting us from the Japanese, where Australia decided to go more with the US). In saying that, I have seen the word "toilets" being used on some South Australian rest station signs, but most if not all were rather replaced with just an icon.


 * So if I had to choose which English variety Australia is the most closest to in terms is probably Canadian, and for spelling I'd say the same too. To be honest, I thought that most of those terms I was familiar with was British, but after reading that article, a lot of the British terms were those of that I had never even heard of ;).


 * In terms of spelling, it is mostly like British, except that there are a lot of American ones like analog (not analogue), verandah (not veranda), burqa (not burka), livable (not liveable) and it goes on.


 * I do wonder what other countries that use Australian english use like PNG (only gained independence from Australia in 1975, which is quite recent or Nauru, also gaining independence quite recently in 1968).


 * But in saying all this, Australia is probably the most un-unified country that I could think of, where everything comes to the states and territories, and it will definitely differ. South Australia was heavily influenced by Eastern Europe, where British English is used, while others like Queensland or NSW is heavily American influenced, and others like Tasmania is heavily Irish influenced. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:47, 31 August 2021 (UTC)


 * In Adelaide, a "bathroom" must have a shower, but not necessarily a toilet, just like in the UK and back in Singapore. Maybe it's true then that Sydney has more American influences, while Adelaide still retains more British terms. For instance, for many of those motor vehicle terms that you claimed Australia follows American usage for, I heard mostly British terms during my time living in Adelaide (I actually first learnt to drive in Adelaide, but had to re-take my driving test to get my American licence when I moved here, so I certainly noticed the difference in terminology). I have been to Sydney, Melbourne and Perth (and Brisbane when I was really young), but I haven't lived there so I am not familiar enough to comment on the usage patterns in different cities. For sure both Adelaide and Melbourne use "tram" instead of "streetcar", and I remember locals in Adelaide pronounced "depot" the British way instead of the American way. And likewise, "cider" is presumed to be alcoholic in Adelaide, just like in Singapore and the UK, and people in Adelaide also say they go to "uni" and not "college".


 * Andrewssi2 is a Brit living in Australia, so maybe he can comment on this, but I'm not sure if he's still active, or which part of Australia he lives in. Inas is also Australian, but I'm not sure if she's active anymore.


 * And more importantly, what do you suggest we do about Australia in the English language varieties article given our differing experiences with Australian English? The dog2 (talk) 23:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC)


 * To be honest, taking into consideration that it differs by region, I'd say put it in a similar position as Canada, with also a similar issue of it differing by region. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:28, 31 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Why don't you draft out something, and we can all have a look? The dog2 (talk) 15:44, 1 September 2021 (UTC)


 * So do you think it would be fair to say that Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane tend to follow American English, while elsewhere in Australia it's mainly British English that is followed? The dog2 (talk) 22:48, 8 September 2021 (UTC)


 * It really depends on context and word by word though. Mostly, yes NSW, Qld tend to use American. Vic, NT and SA are a bit this and that. Tas and NT mostly use British although this is changing with time. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)


 * OK, I've updated the English language varieties article accordingly. Have a look and see if it's good for you. The dog2 (talk) 22:30, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yep. LGTM. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:37, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Where to import roads from
I recently saw you added a line marking Quebec Route 389 on the Quebec Route 389 page, where did you import all those coordinates from as I would like to add roads to my own dynamic maps Tai123.123 (talk) 03:11, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Tai123.123, I should alert you that it is quite time consuming, as it took me 1.5 hours to do the Quebec Route 389 one. But I used this website, which I've also used on articles such as London on foot and Stuart Highway. The How to use dynamic maps is also a useful guide as well. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:17, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You could also use the line for railway lines as well, and not just roads although those are harder to map. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:25, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @SHB2000 Thank you, I may try making a static map instead but I'm not good at graphic design and dislike the look of Open Street Map (prefer google maps alot) Tai123.123 (talk) 03:32, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Why am I not allowed to use the Vizual editor on this page it seems to work on every other one? Tai123.123 (talk) 03:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The How to draw static maps page has a good overview on static maps. I also prefer Google Maps given the user unfriendly interface on OSM, although google maps can take you on cliffs at times. (once in Arizona, it took me to a place 4 hours away from where I needed to go and more recently once also took me through a road full of potholes because it bypasses a town and the algorithm thinks it's faster because of a 100 km/h limit)
 * And to the visual editor, it's still in beta testing so it's not perfect yet, particularly for templates and also doesn't work on talk pages, but might know more on the visual editor. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:06, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you, just one more thing "If both city and countries have a buy section why doesn't the region template have one, I'm currently revamping the Kiso Valley as a region and want to add a buy section can I?
 * To be quite frank, I'm not too sure. I've not really worked on region articles, and the two that I have worked on Sapphire Coast and Central Highlands (Tasmania), I never really expanded them. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:20, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The visual editor is not a Beta Feature here. It also has never been enabled in talk pages (or templates).  WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:16, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Isn't it still not complete though? <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:17, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There are things you can't do easily in the visual editor that you can do (if you know how) in a wikitext editor (e.g., using HTML to add colored backgrounds to table cells), but I don't think that most people would consider it incomplete.
 * The opposite is also true: In the visual editor, you can create a table simply by dragging and dropping a .csv spreadsheet file into the editor.  You can't do that in the old wikitext editors.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:13, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I've done another example on Oodnadatta Track. If you need me to do any for you, I should be able to do it. (not too hard, but takes some time, but the result is rewarding) <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:00, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I just spent half an hour trying to make a line for the Magome-Tsumago trail and accompalished nothing, if you have free time could you make the line, Thank you! Tai123.123 (talk) 18:15, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!

 * Thanks for the barncompass and Happy 500th :). Thanks for all your works onto Japanese articles you've put in. Japan has been on my want to go list for some time now and I hope to use these guides when I go there. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:45, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2021-37
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 * Growth features are now deployed to almost all Wikipedias. For the majority of small Wikipedias, the features are only available for experienced users, to test the features and configure them. Features will be available for newcomers starting on 20 September 2021.
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18:33, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Dynamic maps
Is there a way to have two different map masks on one map, for the Nakatsugawa map I want to have all of Nakatsugawa highlighted but Magome in Yellow with a title showing it has a different article, is this possible. Tai123.123 (talk) 05:32, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Erm, not sure. I believe is much more familiar with that given that I don't usually work with map masks. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Why not? I have mapshapes for all national parks that have them available via wikidata at Finnish National Parks. You may have to play around with the parameters to get them work together as you want; I haven't been trying this. –LPfi (talk) 09:27, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * just you so you know one has wiki data and has hand made coords Tai123.123 (talk) 01:07, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Also they overlap. Tai123.123 (talk) 01:08, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There is Geo JSON data, but I don’t know much about this. I think may be experts. --Comment by  Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 02:28, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Madrid has a map with Wikidata items and self-made GeoJSON in it. Maybe this could help as a reference?--Renek78 (talk) 07:05, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * [edit conflict] If Magome is within Nagatsugawa, there should be no problem: you have the mapframe, a mapmask greying out anything outside, and a mapshape in yellow for Magome. Something like (untested):
 * <br

/> <br />
 * I suppose the group parameter refers to a maplink name; if you include the coords as mapmask parameters that connection is not needed. You can connect the mask to a json file at Common or the json code in a &lt;maplink group="Nagatsugawa">&lt;/maplink> at the end of the article page. Perhaps you need to use mapshape instead of mapmask. The templates are not well documented, you could try to use parameters of one of them in the other. Without knowing where you have your coords I don't want to do any experimenting.
 * –LPfi (talk) 07:09, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @LPfi Still not working, you can see my coords on the nakatsugawa page, I want the wikidata highlighted and the coords grayed out, thank you. Tai123.123 (talk) 03:02, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm actually fine with magome not being listed. Tai123.123 (talk) 23:08, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Ķemeri National Park
As always, it is a pleasure working with you. Ground Zero (talk) 00:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Same. Always been a pleasure :-). Was interesting to see how this article began because of a banner... <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:57, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think that national parks should always have articles, and since there was a nice banner ready for it, creating an article made so much sense . Ground Zero (talk) 01:12, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I do need to create about 200 more park articles though ;-). A slow work in progress <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:13, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Many of the parks called "national" in Australia would be provincial or state parks in Canada and the US. While I've made sure that all national parks in Canada have articles, provincial and territorial park articles are more of an exception. There are just too many of them, and many of them are too small. (One I visited yesterday consisted of a beach area, a campground, a boat launch, and a hiking trail, which was closed due to flooding.) As Australia has taken a different approach to national parks than other countries, would it make sense to group parks that are close to each other into an article that highlights key points, rather than trying to create separate articles? Ground Zero (talk) 12:43, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd definitely agree, although that is more with New South Wales and Queensland. Other states all have much much less parks, comparable to the number in Thailand or Israel (although, both still have a lot of nice parks). There are some really small parks like Malabar Headland National Park (which is only about 1.7km2), which if it were in another state or territory apart from Queensland, wouldn't even be classified as a nature reserve nor a state park. At least it gets a little bit of federal funding.


 * Other parks like Barakee National Park would probably completely fail the wiaa test, and the only interesting thing there is the highway passing through. But I have a feeling it was designed to protect the koala habitats there, which is why I presume it ended up being protected. It would make sense to group parks together, although I do think some of it can be mentioned in their relevant city or rural area articles. I was thinking to maybe include some in Gondwana Rainforests of Australia, but then given that unlike anywhere else in the world, parks in Australia are managed by the state, so it doesn't help when you've got two different managements preserving these areas. But most likely, as you mentioned, some parks will have to be grouped together. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Barakee National Park doesn't even have visitor info on its website, so it looks like it's about protection, not recreation. One line in a group article to that effect might be a better approach than trying to force an article out of it. Ground Zero (talk) 13:04, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I guess that's what New South Wales National Parks is to serve. There are some other parks that don't even have visitor info on the parks website so that'll be something to do. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:09, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2021-39
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Recent changes
 * iOS 15 has a new function called Private Relay (Apple website). This can hide the user's IP when they use Safari browser. This is like using a VPN in that we see another IP address instead. It is opt-in and only for those who pay extra for iCloud. It will come to Safari users on OSX later. There is a technical discussion about what this means for the Wikimedia wikis.

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 * A small number of users will not be able to connect to the Wikimedia wikis after 30 September. This is because an old root certificate will no longer work. They will also have problems with many other websites. Users who have updated their software in the last five years are unlikely to have problems. Users in Europe, Africa and Asia are less likely to have immediate problems even if their software is too old. You can read more.
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22:24, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Palembang
Re: this, Palembang is in Indonesia. I don't think that changes much, though. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:08, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It seemed less flowy and was a bit less clear to me hence the revert. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * oh was looking at the wrong version. But anyway, Indonesia uses Australian spelling so still an unjustified spelling change. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:51, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Wet roads
On the theme of wet roads. I think Arnhem doesn't come in first. –LPfi (talk) 10:51, 4 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Albeit the image I added, Arnhem is much harder to get to. That image I added was part of one of the four fastest undivided highways in the world, but then anything east of Kakadu National Park (about 150km east of the nearest city - Darwin), the road quality goes to a gravel track poorly maintained worse than the other track, which looks something like this. The start of both roads look deceiving into that the area is easily accessible, putting 130 and 110km/h limits for a little bit, but then the road quality gets basically impassable - with only road trains being able to do it and the really really really good 4WDs. I think both those roads going to completely different parts of Arnhem go for about 600km, and many have died when going across this route because they weren't prepared.


 * And then you've also got the factor that Arnhem land requires a permit since the land has been returned to the traditional owners of the land. And there's also the crocs. Only RFDS planes seem to go here, apart from that, yeah, this place is almost really really hard to go. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:08, 4 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes. I just couldn't resist. And the Interior is in fact mentioned in the article. But perhaps we should have an image of the actually difficult parts of Arnhem instead – although I understand if you aren't going to take those pics first thing :-) –LPfi (talk) 11:19, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I do have plans to go to Kakadu next dry season (northern hemisphere summer), but I might go a little east just to have a look though ;), Although I probably won't go any further than 30km. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:39, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * :-) –LPfi (talk) 12:17, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I quite liked one of those images, that I've replaced my banner on my userpage with one of them :-). <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 23:47, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * :-) –LPfi (talk) 07:11, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-40
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 * A more efficient way of sending changes from Wikidata to Wikimedia wikis that show them has been enabled for the following 10 wikis: mediawiki.org, the Italian, Catalan, Hebrew and Vietnamese Wikipedias, French Wikisource, and English Wikivoygage, Wikibooks, Wiktionary and Wikinews. If you notice anything strange about how changes from Wikidata appear in recent changes or your watchlist on those wikis you can let the developers know.

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 * Octicons-tools.svg Some gadgets and bots that use the API to read the AbuseFilter log might break. The <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> property will no longer say an entry is <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> for unsuppressed log entries about suppressed edits. If your bot needs to know this, do a separate revision query. Additionally, the property will have the value <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> for visible entries; previously, it wasn't included in the response.
 * A more efficient way of sending changes from Wikidata to Wikimedia wikis that show them will be enabled for all production wikis. If you notice anything strange about how changes from Wikidata appear in recent changes or your watchlist you can let the developers know.

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 * You can soon get cross-wiki notifications in the iOS Wikipedia app. You can also get notifications as push notifications. More notification updates will follow in later versions.
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Sydney DOTM Banners
I think the next round of DOTM banner nominations is Sydney. As your user page indicates, you live in Sydney, so do you want to select the DOTM banners for this city? Banner uploads are local and must be resized to a width of 1700px. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 00:32, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer :-). Might look onto Commons soon for some nice harbour pics, as I've never really successfully managed to get a good pic at night. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:23, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for doing this. The banner you made of the opera house is excellent. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 20:16, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * (-: <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:58, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

WikiSP Newsletter #04 (2021-10)
<div style="solid #000; box-shadow: 0 2px 2px rgba(0,0,0,0.1); padding: 1em; border: 1px solid #CCC; border-color: #AAA; text-align: left;" class="plainlinks"> WikiSP Newsletter of October 2021.

News on complementary policies or changes to the Foundational Text
 * The electoral policy was approved; this allows the members of the group to decide the members of the different components or to choose the General Coordinator.

Ongoing discussions
 * A vote to approve the Code of Conduct is in progress.
 * The Administrative Commission is the most important component of the group as the substantive decisions emanate from there. Elections for the Administrative Commission have begun. The election commissioners will send a message to all those eligible to register as candidates and/or electors.

Miscellaneous
 * After two years, we have finally been recognized! An announcement has been made, which is also summarized in this Spanish Wikinews article.
 * Episodes one and two of SuenaWiki Reloaded, a space that allows to talk about the projects of the Wikimedia movement and free knowledge globally, can be listened to through Wikimedia Commons.}}}

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Tech News: 2021-41
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 * The "auto-number headings" preference is being removed. You can read T284921 for the reasons and discussion. This change was previously announced. A JavaScript snippet is available which can be used to create a Gadget on wikis that still want to support auto-numbering.

Meetings
 * You can join a meeting about the Desktop Improvements. A demonstration version of the newest feature will be shown. The event will take place on Tuesday, 12 October at 16:00 UTC. See how to join.

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This Month in GLAM: September 2021
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Universal Code of Conduct News – Issue 4
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Welcome to the fourth issue of Universal Code of Conduct News! This newsletter will help Wikimedians stay involved with the development of the new code and will distribute relevant news, research, and upcoming events related to the UCoC.

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 * Enforcement Draft Guidelines Review Wrap-up - The Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Draft Guidelines Review will come to a close on 17 October 2021, after more than two months of extensive consultations. (continue reading)
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MNadzikiewicz (WMF) (talk) 20:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Edit notice
Hey. The edit notice box thingy only displays on desktop version. Unless you can work out a way to get it to display on mobile (which would be great), we should restore the hidden comments to the various cities lists. ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:24, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * To be quite frank, I'm not sure how to get it on the mobile version. It's been a while since I've edited Wikimedia projects through mobile given the very unfriendly interface, but I'll restore the various hidden comments in just a sec. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 13:30, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and no worries. I tend to avoid mobile for larger edits for the same reason, but a lot of users and casual editors (the ones more in need of prompts) prefer mobile.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:41, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it's a similar reason why the German Wikivoyage no longer uses page banners anymore. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 22:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Lots of new templates
It looks like you've created or edited a slew of new templates recently, including handicap-icon, toilet-icon, food-icon, fuel-icon, lodging-icon, EVCharger-icon, Store-icon...Keeping in mind that Wikivoyage has had an existing consensus behind not having loads and loads of templates that make the site more challenging to edit, I think you should be explaining somewhere why it's important to have these icons instead of expecting people to explain in prose in "content" tabs of listings what is available. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:56, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * These aren't my templates, and these were created years ago. I just stumbled across them and added it onto rint and changed the size of it for readability, but I did not create them (as these templates would rather go straight into rint). <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 22:41, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Having a look at some of these, some of them appeared to have been created by and others have been created by  between the years of 2015-16 <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 22:43, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Noosa
Hey, I am just wondering why you removed the towns? Kin Kin is an orphan page and currently has no links into it, which is why I linked it from the region in the first place. <b style="color: #0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color: green;">Talk page</b> 03:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The article was started by the infamous "Brendan John Williams" (aka Telstra) so I removed it although I wrote most of the article. But I think I was meant to remove Pomona instead. I'll re-add it. Thanks for letting me know. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 03:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I've re-added it, but not Pomona (which remains a redirect). <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 03:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Didn't know the history behind it (or the editor involved). What's the background behind this editor other than refusing to engage in discussion? <b style="color: #0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color: green;">Talk page</b> 03:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * He copies content from sources that have "All rights reserved", and less problematic, lists suburbs under see sections of city articles. Interestingly, he also once listed a Sydney suburb in the "next-to-impossible destinations" list. He appears to have been doing this before a lot of us even came to Wikivoyage (someone like would know much more on this than myself), although sometimes he genuinely fixes up errors, typos or adds coordinates (which don't usually get reverted). <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 04:09, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, OhanaUnited. If you really want all the gory details, you can start reading at User ban nominations/Archive, but the thing is, while some of his edits are good, a lot of them are uncredited copypasta from either Wikipedia or, like SHB2000 said, "copyright, all rights reserved" sites, and a lot of his text is garbled or nonsensical in certain ways, and the big problem is that this guy never engages in a dialogue and habitually creates sockpuppets for like 1-2 edits. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:23, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow, I skimmed through it but that looks like a rabbit hole of discussion. <b style="color: #0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color: green;">Talk page</b>
 * This appears to be another one of this edits just now. While that is not a copyvio nor taken from Wikipedia, Eumundi doesn't have much to offer in terms of where a traveller can experience indigenous culture, and that doesn't help at all. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 06:10, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I guess I'm not in a position to evaluate, having only been to Sydney and Melbourne when I was in down-under. <b style="color: #0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color: green;">Talk page</b> 06:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I've been to Eumundi a couple of times when I lived in Brisbane, but that's also close to Noosa/Maroochydore (where his IPs geolocate to), hence why he's probably interested in these towns. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 06:21, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I did check the contents in Pomona page that this individual added. They all seem like reasonable summaries and I pasted the summaries into Google. None of them were copied & pasted from elsewhere so I incorporated them back into Noosa page. <b style="color: #0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color: green;">Talk page</b> 00:29, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Special:Diff/4315370 is another edit of his. A rare case where he actually did something useful. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 12:59, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-42
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Recent changes
 * Toolhub is a catalogue to make it easier to find software tools that can be used for working on the Wikimedia projects. You can read more.

Changes later this week
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 * The developers of the Wikipedia Android app are working on communication in the app. You can now answer questions in survey to help the development.
 * 3–5% of editors may be blocked in the next few months. This is because of a new service in Safari, which is similar to a proxy or a VPN. It is called iCloud Private Relay. There is a discussion about this on Meta. The goal is to learn what iCloud Private Relay could mean for the communities.
 * Wikimedia Enterprise is a new API for those who use a lot of information from the Wikimedia projects on other sites. It is a way to get big commercial users to pay for the data. There will soon be a copy of the Wikimedia Enterprise dataset. You can read more. You can also ask the team questions on Zoom on 22 October 15:00 UTC.

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20:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Houtman Abrolhos
A fair bit of content seems to have gone missing when you redirected this to Mid West (Western Australia), an article that doesn't even mention the islands. Are you planning to merge that information in? As it stands, someone who searches on Houtman Abrolhos is redirected to an article who no information. Ground Zero (talk) 16:50, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops. I'll do that right in a sec. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 21:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 21:31, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, good sir. Ground Zero (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * :) <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 21:50, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Wine Regions of Ontario
Thanks for nominating this article. After I wrote it, I asked on the FTT talk page for advice on what to do to make it worthy of a nomination, but got not response, so maybe I get get feedback now. I will look for more pictures. Ground Zero (talk) 11:58, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries. I was kinda inspired to write a Wine Regions of the Barossa Valley article after I make a trip down there next month, and this seemed like a good inspiration and a good page to go onto the main page :). Although I only found this page when stumbling onto Special:RandomPage. I had thought about this a couple of months ago, but completely forgot. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 12:05, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Enquiry vs Inquiry
Maybe Sydney is different, but a distinction was made between the two when I was living in Adelaide (and in Singapore too). In both Adelaide and Singapore, if you're asking for information about something, you're making an "enquiry", but if you are conducting an investigation into an incident, you are conducting an "inquiry". The U.S. uses "inquiry" in both instances. The dog2 (talk) 21:23, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It's been quite some time I've heard "enquiry" being used though, at least in Sydney. I know some people in the older generation still use enquire/inquire and not just "inquire". At least for a traveller, all they need to know is that they can get away with just "inquire" without needing to know both. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 21:29, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Proofreadmydocument says "This usage is now common in Australian English, too, although ‘enquiry’ is still used here (and may be considered more correct in formal writing).". A traveller has little use needing to know formal Australian English, so I don't think listing enquire/inquire is really needed at all. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 21:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-43
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Recent changes
 * The Coolest Tool Award 2021 is looking for nominations. You can recommend tools until 27 October.

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 * Diff pages will have an improved copy and pasting experience. The changes will allow the text in the diff for before and after to be treated as separate columns and will remove any unwanted syntax.
 * The version of the Liberation fonts used in SVG files will be upgraded. Only new thumbnails will be affected. Liberation Sans Narrow will not change.

Meetings
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This Month in Education: October 2021
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Growth Newsletter #19
Welcome to the nineteenth newsletter from the Growth team!

The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in Wikimedia projects.

Structured tasks

 * "Add a link" is the team's first structured task. It uses machine-learning to suggest wikilinks as easy edits for newcomers. It was deployed in May 2021 on four Wikipedias and then in July on eight more Wikipedias after we evaluated the initial results.  So far, we've seen a high level of engagement from newcomers. Communities that have the feature suggested valuable ideas for improvement.  We'll work on improvements and then contact more communities to deploy it.
 * "Add an image" is the team's second structured task, currently in development. It is an editing task that suggests Commons images for unillustrated Wikipedia articles.  We have conducted many community discussions and tests. Then, we've decided to build a first prototype.  We'll first deploy it only to our pilot Wikipedias, to learn whether newcomers can be successful with the task. The project page contains links to interactive prototypes. We are very interested to hear your thoughts on this idea as we build and test the early versions. These prototypes have already been tested by newcomers, in English and Spanish.

News for mentors

 * The Mentor dashboard is available at our pilot wikis: Arabic, Czech, and Bengali Wikipedias. It will soon be available at a few more volunteering wikis, as a test.
 * At wikis where the mentor dashboard is deployed, a new filter is available for mentors. Mentors can monitor their mentees' activity in Watchlist and RecentChanges, so they can help support their mentees' work. For privacy reasons, this filter can't be accessed by someone else than the mentor itself. This filter only filters mentees assigned to the mentor. This filter is not visible for people who are not listed as mentors

Community configuration

 * Communities now have the ability to configure how Growth features behave on their own wikis. At Special:EditGrowthConfig, community members can add a list of volunteer mentors, alter the templates used for suggested edits, update help links, and more. This special page is editable by administrators and interface admins.

Scaling

 * We are proud to announce that all Wikipedias now have the Growth features! Thank you to all the community members who helped the team build the features and bring them to their wikis.  The only exception is Chinese Wikipedia (zh), for technical reasons.
 * The wikis that have Growth features deployed have been part of A/B testing since deployment, in which some newcomers did not receive the new features. Now, all of the newcomers on 280 of the smallest of those Wikipedias have the features.
 * A test is undergoing at English Wikipedia: 25% of newcomers receive the Growth features. The results from this test will be part of a discussion of how to proceed on that wiki.
 * Now that Growth features are available at Wikipedia, the Growth team considers to extend them to other projects. Some Wikisource users have expressed some interest in getting Growth features. There is currently a discussion about implementing them on Wikisource.

News for communities

 * Do you have questions about the Growth features? This translatable FAQ contains answers to the most common questions about the Growth team work.
 * The Growth features were recently used in a test amongst Latin American donors to give donors the opportunity to learn to edit. You can see the results here.
 * Interface translations are important for newcomers. Please help for your language, by translating or copyediting interface translations for the Growth features.
 * Help:GettingStarted was a feature developed in 2013, which directed newcomers to articles that needed editing. We recently removed this feature from all wikis, because it has been replaced by the Growth features.

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Reverting vandalism
Do you mind me @ing you when I see vandalism I can’t revert due to the fact I lack admin powers. I feel directly notifying you gets faster responses though I understand it may be bothersome (I also moved the discussion to your page to not draw attention to the vandal). Tai123.123 (talk) 05:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Feel free to ping me or leave a message here on this page. I used to do something similar before I became an admin this July, and also it's not bothersome (I get notifications all the time). --<font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 05:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Image attribution
You wrote "once you've fixed everything, feel free to do whatever you need to do [...]". To fix the attributions I need your answer to my question in that thread: Am I correct in assuming the links should go to user pages on Commons? As I explain in that now archived discussion, I believe the attributions are wrong now, and I don't want to change attribution based on a guess. –LPfi (talk) 07:56, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * That I am not so sure about. If there were no policy on this, I don't think there's any harm in linking them to their commons userpage though, but I'll also try fix them and link some of these images to Commons. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 07:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If the links went to their user page on Commons before you copied them, then the links should still go to their user page on Commons. Changing (effectively) an attribution link to point to a Wikivoyage user page for people who are not Wikivoyage contributors is misleading and possibly against the licence and copyright law. Who are we to decide what page to link in the attribution line? It is the author's choice! The problem is that I don't know what changes you did to the file description page; I have no access to the original. So, I'll rephrase my question: Did those links point to the Commons user pages before you copied them? –LPfi (talk) 09:27, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Neither those locally uploaded files that I nor Ikan uploaded went to Commons. But I've fixed some, will do the rest. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 11:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * E,g, in File:Masjid Nasional Al-Akbar Surabaya 2016.jpg there was the line "author=Lasthib" . An identical line at Commons would point to their Commons userpage. When you copy such a line from Commons to here, you change the location it de facto points to; the reader's browser will see, and the browser prepends current protocol, domain etc. to the href parameter. Thus the link will go to Commons if the reader sees it on Commons, but to Wikivoyage if they see it on Wikivoyage. If you view a Commons file at Wikivoyage, you will instead get an URL including the domain, something like  , and that is the code you want to continue to serve the browser after the move. So if you copied the description verbatim you got a relative link that used to point to Commons and by your copying was changed to point to Wikivoyage. –LPfi (talk) 12:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

What's up with Brendan
It seems like his IP adresses add good content, why do you revert them, Do they violate copyright law? His latest edit on the Kazakhstan page didn't seem to be plagiarized so I patrolled it. Please tell me what's wrong with his edits and I can identify them. Tai123.123 (talk) 05:37, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Much of them are plagiarised or copied without attribution. I must say though, that identifying his edits these days are hard, as you need to know what style of writing it's in, and know the IP ranges. He used to use accounts with two to four numbers, but he now only uses IPs. The reason why I block these IPs now is that it leaves it in the log, as some of those IPs get reused so if there was any previous blocks, it's in the log. And it seems whenever he gets an IPv4 address, he now seems to want to switch it to an IPv6 address avoiding further detection. I must say though, that revert those edits with caution, as sometimes edits that look like his are not his. It's why most of the time, it's only Ikan and myself who deal with this guy these days. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 05:44, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ok thank you,I will be more conscious when patrolling IP adresses Tai123.123 (talk) 04:15, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

UAP
I'm assuming you don't mean "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena". For non-Aus readers, it would be helpful to explain acronyms like this. Aussie readers probably won't read the Australia article. Ground Zero (talk) 01:17, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Meant, United Australia Party (2013). Will fix that just in a sec. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 01:23, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for pointing that out. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 01:25, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia article makes it sound like calling the UAP a clown show would be unfair to clown shows. Is it actually popular? Ground Zero (talk) 01:50, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It became more popular ever since the last federal election, and Labor got much less votes than usual. This article has more about it. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 01:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2021-44
<section begin="technews-2021-W44"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * There is a limit on the amount of emails a user can send each day. This limit is now global instead of per-wiki. This change is to prevent abuse.

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20:28, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

WikiSP Newsletter #05 (2021-11)
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News on complementary policies or changes to the Foundational Text
 * Six days left to sanction the Code of Conduct. If you are an active member, you can go and exercise your vote.

Tech news
 * We have implemented three new instances: Limesurvey, Moodle and MediaWiki. The first will be for conducting surveys to be sent to volunteers, the second for a future educational program and the third for testing on MediaWiki.
 * As you know, this group offers permanent connection to Libera.Chat through its bouncer service. Now the requests are processed via Phabricator to make it easier for volunteers to access this service.

Miscellaneous
 * On October 29, we requested a general support fund so that our mission can continue uninterrupted. We hope that the Latin America and Caribbean Committee will look favorably on our proposal to support small projects.
 * We need your feedback: Help us to focus our efforts to support small projects in the coming year. We want you to tell us what we can support and in what ways we should support them. The survey will run for thirty days, until December 03. The survey link is here.
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• •  •  •   00:48, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * SHB2000, the survey and the Allie Awards can be of your interest. Regards, --Galahad (sasageyo!)(esvoy) 15:50, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'll make sure to check that out. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 19:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Singapore CBD
To answer your question, both "city centre" and "CBD" are used in Singapore. Road signs are usually just marked "City", and everyone understands what that means. The dog2 (talk) 08:01, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Makes sense. It's the same in Sydney and Brisbane as well and I think it's the same nationwide, with only the exceptions of Adelaide and Shellharbour which only use "city center". SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 08:03, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * CBD is used in Adelaide too, or at least it was when I lived there. People pretty much use "CBD" and "City" interchangeably. And speaking of Singapore, "downtown" (but not "uptown") is understood too, so you can use all four terms. The dog2 (talk) 08:28, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Think it's the same in Sydney too, but uptown is never used as well. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 08:30, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

A comment on St Arnaud (Victoria)
As you know, I also think that stub articles harm the project. But I also think that removing or hiding travel information — even if it is just a Bible museum and a local museum — is contrary to our aim here. I think that sort of stuff should be moved to another article if you decide to redirect a page. In this case, there was lots of travel information in the town's Wikipedia article, so creating a proper article was pretty easy. Ground Zero (talk) 18:09, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Okay sure. Thanks for expanding that article. Probably should have done some better research. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 07:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * And now it's usable. Thanks for helping me get all Australian non-region articles usable :) (should be finished with the regions soon) Wasn't my exact intension to get it all usable, but was quite inspired to do the same when you did the same thing to all Canadian destinations before 2020, but I somehow did managed to upgrade 350ish articles over six months. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 12:22, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

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 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

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20:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

An award for you!

 * Indeed. –LPfi (talk) 18:40, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot to both of you :) Did take a lot of work, but eventually got it done. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 19:51, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! I am looking forward to visiting Aus some day, and I personally will use your contributions, and I am sure a lot of other readers will too. Ground Zero (talk) 21:27, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * And most importantly, thanks for helping me get here :). Now I'll either probably be working on articles across the ditch, up the strait, on Arizona or create articles for the redlinks here which I'm currently working on. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 05:12, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

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Dark Sky Parks in the United States
Hi. I don't want to create edit conflicts, so I'll leave it to you to look for appropriate links, etc. Thanks!

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:01, 13 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Okay sure. Thanks for fixing the links. I'll probably be taking a break from that list soon, but will do. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 00:05, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

"Up to freezing"
I think I now see it for the second time: "the temperatures can go up to freezing". Over here temperatures go down to freezing and things melt when they go up above freezing. Does this wording have something to do with that you are down under? –LPfi (talk) 18:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)


 * It's a colloquial term used here. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 20:31, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the very short answer that I gave this morning. Was in a rush. But to the "up to freezing" and "down to freezing", and I've definitely heard both used. The main reason (I think) is because it strays out of your normal temperatures (15-30). Of course, I'm saying this as I live on the coast, but anyone who lives inland or on the mountains would say "down to freezing", well because, it gets pretty cold inland or on the mountains. I'll fix those up, as I'm sure that someone else would be confused by that as well. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 07:39, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

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 * Sometimes, edits made on iOS using the visual editor save groups of numbers as telephone number links, because of a feature in the operating system. This problem is under investigation.
 * There was a problem with search last week. Many search requests did not work for 2 hours because of a configuration error.

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22:07, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Your experiment
Is the point of your experiment with style tag to find out if the principal contributor to that article is going to respond by cleaning up the article?

If your aim is more generally to find out how long it will take for anyone to fix the problem, you will have to wait a long time to find out.

You can, on the other hand, check article histories to see when tags were added to the articles.This one that I just came across was added in 2009, and modified after that. I just removed it. Ground Zero (talk) 02:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Yep, that's my purpose. In this case, we had an active contributor who's expanding that article, and so unlike other tags where the issue was made by one off contributors, I wanted to see how long it takes for that contributor [Veillg1] to do it as they're the one who's expanding that article.
 * But knowing myself, I'll probably abandon that experiment, and do it myself in a week or two... SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 06:28, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It will be interesting to see if they respond. Ground Zero (talk) 11:37, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Same. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 11:38, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems after numerous edits to that article and having been six days, Veillg1 still has done anything about it. It just shows that even those tags don't even motivate new users who are editing in that subject and why tags like these are useless. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 07:31, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Sadly, that is the case. I've gone through the 195 or so articles with style tags, and removed 112 of them. Some of them were for very simple fixes that were probably as easy to do as slapping a tag on the article. Others took more time. There are some that I have bookmarked to work on later. There were a lot that I removed because I couldn't figure out what was wrong. I suspect some of the issues had been addressed but the tags weren't removed. In other cases, the articles were no worse than the average Wikivoyage article. A lot of them just said that the listings should have more details. The remaining tags mostly ask that Eat and Sleep listings be sorted into budget/mid-range/splurge categories, something that will only happen if someone decides to be a docent for the article. The tags are unlikely to have any impact, so it is good that they sit at the bottom of the article. Fortunately, the people who seemed to do most of the tagging in years past seem to have moved on to do other stuff, or have left Wikivoyage. Ground Zero (talk) 13:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It's why tags were never a good idea in the first place. I'll likely be starting the Mauricie cleanup this arvo. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 20:26, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I have mostly finished the cleanup. It was pretty easy tbh, mostly because the content in the region article was also in the relevant city article. The only thing I've left is the events list, because I have no idea what format is meant to be used for events in region articles. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 11:38, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Newcomers often don't want to remove tags. It is not unusual for them to think that someone else is supposed to confirm that they did the work.  The idea that you shouldn't judge your own work is strong in some cultures. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:53, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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21:15, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!
Hi, I really appreciate the vote of confidence. However, since I do not visit Wikivoyage on a regular basis, and my memory often fails me, I believe it is best to remove my autopatrol right, so that my edits here are always checked by someone else.. Thanks again, Ottawahitech (talk) 14:01, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Ottawahitech ✅. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 09:12, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

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 * MediaWiki 1.38-wmf.11 was scheduled to be deployed on some wikis last week. The deployment was delayed because of unexpected problems.

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 * At all Wikipedias, a Mentor Dashboard is now available at <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> . It allows registered mentors, who take care of newcomers' first steps, to monitor their assigned newcomers' activity. It is part of the Growth features. You can learn more about activating the mentor list on your wiki and about the mentor dashboard project.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The predecessor to the current MediaWiki Action API (which was created in 2008), <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">, will be removed this week. Any scripts or bots using it will need to switch to the corresponding API module.
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 * There are now default short aliases for the "Project:" namespace on most wikis. E.g. On Wikibooks wikis, <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> will go to the local language default for the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> namespace. This change is intended to help the smaller communities have easy access to this feature. Additional local aliases can still be requested via the usual process.

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22:28, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome back
Welcome back! Friend! I am very happy to see you again! In fact, I also abstain myself from editing here, until you return, because life without you was very lonely in Wikivoyage! Now, I will start editing here as usual! :) Haoreima (talk) 10:09, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome back too. Was away on a 4000 kilometre journey for the last two weeks, but glad to be back again :). SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 10:11, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * One thing! Is there any way through which I could talk to you outside Wiki? Any social media accounts or anything off-wiki?Haoreima (talk) 10:13, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Emdash template
Hi SHB, hope you're well. I've been popping back in after a period of inactivity, and I found you tweaked the emdash template. The problem is, that edit seems to have left it broken for half a year, at least from my experiments in the graffiti wall before and after reverting the tweak. Do you recall what you were trying to do? Vaticidalprophet (talk) 04:05, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Vaticidalprophet Don't know what I've done there. Thanks for fixing it. But anyway, welcome back :-) If there's anything you've missed while you were on a period of inactivity, that's that all articles breadcrumbed under Australia are usable or higher. Unfortunately, that doesn't include itineraries, travel topics, or places like Heard Island and McDonald Islands. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 04:20, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That and you being an admin now :) Still working on Melbourne/Stonnington (which I noticed the template issue at, because it used that one) and hopefully a few other places. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 04:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There's a few more things too such as Routebox2 which can take templates. (example seen at Hartz Mountains National Park), although I'm currently trying to work on a routebox that can handle both images and templates. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 04:25, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

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Recent changes
 * Queries made by the DynamicPageList extension (<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> ) are now only allowed to run for 10 seconds and error if they take longer. This is in response to multiple outages where long-running queries caused an outage on all wikis.

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22:06, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Question
Is there a place for me to make a plea for help from other users when it comes to speling errors? I do make a lot of misspelings when writing in English, espesially in American English SealEater1488 (talk) 05:32, 26 December 2021 (UTC)?


 * @SealEater1488 I don't think there is apart from Spelling, but feel free to ask me anytime (I can help with any one of the four dialects of British, Canadian, American or Australian). If anything, just plunge forward, and someone will eventually fix it. I do this all the time when I come across it. Regards, SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 05:39, 26 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I would say just type everything up as well as you can and other folks will be happy to copy edit. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:03, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Why is a link to User talk:SHB2000 coming up as a redlink in Special:RecentChanges?
Title. Don't know why it's happening, nor if it's just on my side, but it bothers me that it's coming up as a redlink. It's been happening since today, and it's only an issue on this wiki, as it doesn't seem to be the case on meta. Screenshots below. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 10:05, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

(gallery being updated as I upload a new image of this issue)


 * I’m seeing a redlink, too. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 11:35, 23 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Time to file a phabricator task? SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 11:42, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks fine on my end (it's blue link) <b style="color: #0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color: green;">Talk page</b> 22:28, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you've been a red link this afternoon, but when I click the page, it behaves normally. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:52, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * still a redlink for me :-( SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 22:52, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * By any chance, do you know why this might be happening? SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 08:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * SHB2000, it's an interesting and curious behaviour. I've noticed that you changed yesterday the protection of the page, so, if the issue appears yesterday, that's a clue. I've tried to change termporary the protection of the page but nothing happens. I've done other minor tests getting no result. Last "invasive" test I have in my mind is to delete completely the page and recreating it again: first empty, then with the original content, to see if it reset the status of the page, but I haven't done it, because it will delete the public history of the page. Since you are an admin, if you want to try, do it yourself. In any case you can open a ticket on Phabricator but expect long time since it's a minor issue that affect only one user. -- Andyrom75 (talk) 08:31, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I might try and move the page to somewhere else without a redirect soon, and then add all the contents back so it preserves the attribution of the page. I'll see if that works. I had a feeling it may be those font tags which I was experimenting with a few months ago (which I just left it alone), but I fail to see how that affects a talk page in Special:Recentchanges. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 08:34, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * tried moving the page without a redirect and then recreating it. Had no result and it remained a redlink. Guess I'll have to file a phabricator task... SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 09:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * SHB2000, a tag, font included, affect the behaviour of the current page, not a system page. Consider that is not just a color change, but the system "feel" that your page doesn't exist (you can see it from the URL associated to that red link). Move a page is different from deleting it because the whole process use different functions. However, if you don't feel confident to try the page deletion (and I can understand it), feel free to open a Phab ticket. -- Andyrom75 (talk) 09:16, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with page deletion and I'll try that. I might try it after speedy archiving all those discussions. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 09:44, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Deletion and restoration didn't seem to work, so maybe I'll file a phab task. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 09:59, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Have filed a phab task on T296374. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 10:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * SHB2000, now I see everything correctly. Apparently the last test works. Do you still see your talk page as a red link? -- Andyrom75 (talk) 11:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Still a redlink for me :( SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 12:16, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Also tried clearing the cache as well. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 12:17, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you are right, I'll give up... :-( -- Andyrom75 (talk) 12:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems to now work when I'm logged out, but still a redlink when I'm logged in. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 12:40, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay that seemed only for a few seconds. It's now a redlink when logged out as well. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 12:49, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Now it also is a red link on my Watchlist. --FredTC (talk) 12:51, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Special pages aren't cached, so there's no server-side cache to clear. When multiple people see the same thing, it's rarely your local cache, so the usual w:en:WP:BYPASS process is unlikely to help.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:47, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This no longer seems just an issue with User talk:SHB2000, but also look at the link to User:Tundraski‎ on Special:Recentchanges which also comes up as a redlink. Will upload a screenshot in a sec. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 05:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * SHB2000, I suggest you to add the screenshot of the bottom part of https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ATundraski, because there is possible to see a very weird thing: one blue link and one red link at the same time! -- Andyrom75 (talk) 09:05, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Screen Shot 2021-12-01 at 16.08.42.png
 * @Andyrom75 Here it is. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 09:08, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * SHB2000, I meant to add the screenshot of the link I've suggested you (not the recent changes one) into the Phab bug report, explaining that the issue occurs also in other pages and with other accounts. -- Andyrom75 (talk) 09:13, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. But here it is.
 * Screen_Shot_2021-12-01_at_20.13.37.png SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 09:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Will add it into the phab report soon SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 09:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 09:18, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Some further new banner discussions
Ideally I'd do this at RfC but given how much banner discussions I've just sparked in the last three hours, I don't want to be bombarding RfC with this, but a link to all of those are below.


 * Talk:Tasmania
 * Talk:Ben Lomond National Park
 * Talk:Bicheno
 * Talk:Bruny Island
 * Talk:Franklin-Gordon Wild Rivers National Park
 * Talk:Freycinet National Park
 * Talk:Hartz Mountains National Park (made the switch already, although with only two votes)
 * Talk:Maria Island
 * Talk:Southwest National Park

-- SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 11:24, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * See also Talk:Niagara Falls. /Yvwv (talk) 11:26, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Map
Can you help me create a color-coded map for Cooch Behar? 2006nishan178713 (talk) 18:16, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @2006nishan178713 Are you talking about a static map? If that is, I can't really help because I've never made one. Apologies. I've only worked with dynamic maps before. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 20:50, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I am talking about a map like in the New Delhi article. Cooch Behar is divided into 5 subdivisions or cities. Here's the list- https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:2006nishan178713/sandbox 2006nishan178713 (talk) 03:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There's two maps there, a static and a dynamic. Which one are you talking about? SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 03:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Delhi#/map/0/10/28.6496/77.1831 2006nishan178713 (talk) 03:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * the dynamic one. Sorry I didn't mention it before 2006nishan178713 (talk) 03:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure. However, I would need the Wikidata items for the districts you're creating. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 03:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Cooch Behar Sadar- Q313640
 * Dinhata- Q1264946
 * Mathabhanga- Q2453407
 * Mekhliganj- Q2563945
 * Tufanganj- Q2560618 2006nishan178713 (talk) 03:44, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I just checked the OpenStreetMap database, and it seems the boundaries are not there on OpenStreetMap. I'm not entirely sure how to draw boundaries though., by any chance, do you know how to? SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 03:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Cooch Behar subdivision demarcation.png 2006nishan178713 (talk) 04:12, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That works, but I'm not sure how to do that on OSM. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 04:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I also couldn't figure it out yesterday 2006nishan178713 (talk) 04:26, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hope Matroc knows how to... SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 04:27, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I found something.
 * Relation of the whole district of Cooch Behar - https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1789228
 * Relation of Cooch Behar North- https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10360863
 * Relation of Cooch Behar South- https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10360862
 * Relation: Dinhata - I- https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10360860
 * Relation: Mekliganj- https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10360855
 * Relation: Tufanganj - I- https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10360864 2006nishan178713 (talk) 04:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @2006nishan178713 I've put it in my to-do list. It should be good to go before the New Year. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 06:28, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay!Christmas tree in field.jpg 2006nishan178713 (talk) 10:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merry Christmas to you as well :) Unfortunately, I don't get snow where I live for Christmas but rather a hot 35° day :-( SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 10:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * We don't get snow here as well, but it gets pretty cold. Anyways, have a good day! 2006nishan178713 (talk) 10:57, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah I don't get snow where I live because I live in the southern hemisphere. But it does snow about 600 km from where I live during Christmas. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 11:01, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 👍👍 2006nishan178713 (talk) 11:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * :) -- SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 11:04, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's the last one-
 * Relation: Mathabhanga - I ( 10360856 ) - https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10360856 2006nishan178713 (talk) 14:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * -- I can't help as I have never done anything with OpenStreetMap as far as drawing boundaries etc. -- if you found boundaries would check to see if the wikidata link is there? -- (I believe not needed) check for the OpenStreetMap link in the wikidata record.. Matroc (talk) 06:37, 24 December 2021 (UTC) Matroc (talk) 06:51, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok sure. Just done that. @2006nishan178713. All the relations on OSM now have Wikidata IDs on them. Now I just need to wait a day for it to fully load. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 10:19, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay! Thanks 2006nishan178713 (talk) 10:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @2006nishan178713 I've almost finished the map, which you can see here. Unfortunately, I forgot to add the one for Cooch Behar Sadar.
 * Is Cooch Behar Sadar the same thing as the whole district of Cooch Behar North and South? SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 06:35, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Cooch Behar North and South when combined form Cooch Behar Sadar. (Sadar means main) 2006nishan178713 (talk) 06:44, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Also put these: Relation for Dinhata 2- https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10360861
 * Sitalkuchi- https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10360858 2006nishan178713 (talk) 06:47, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You can combine Dinhata - I and Dinhata 2 together as they form the city of Dinhata. 2006nishan178713 (talk) 06:49, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * done Dinhata 2. What's the Wikidata item of Sitalkuchi? SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 06:51, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q60805256 2006nishan178713 (talk) 06:54, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * and done Cooch Behar Sadar SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 06:54, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Also combine Mathabhanga (Already added) with Sitalkuchi (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10360858) if that's possible. 2006nishan178713 (talk) 06:52, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * done. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 07:10, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Will it show up sometime later? 2006nishan178713 (talk) 07:16, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should. Hopefully tomorrow. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 07:17, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 👍 2006nishan178713 (talk) 07:18, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it's started to appear, at least on my end. -- SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 09:25, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can see it too. I will add it today a little later. I was very busy the whole day. 2006nishan178713 (talk) 09:52, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll be travelling overseas on Tuesday, so if anything's needed after Tuesday, you may need to ask someone else? SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 09:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hopefully, I won't need anything. Happy journey! 2006nishan178713 (talk) 10:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * :-). If anything, you could also ask for help in the travellers' pub as well. There'll be at least one other person on this site who would know how to. -- SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 10:30, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay! 2006nishan178713 (talk) 12:22, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @2006nishan178713 Think once you paste the code below:


 * You should get the following results.


 * I hope that works. -- SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 09:59, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have tried that in my sandbox and it works. 2006nishan178713 (talk) 13:20, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In the Cooch Behar guide. I would prefer to zoom into Cooch Behar Sadar. How do I do it? 2006nishan178713 (talk) 17:35, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

🎄 Happy Christmas 🎄
A little Christmas robin told me you were spending the day by yourself. Even though it's nearly Boxing Day for you, I wish you all the spirit of the season. Things will be better in 2022.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:36, 25 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @ThunderingTyphoons! Merry Christmas to you as well :-) 🎄🎄 Yeah I've never spent a Christmas all by myself before. I wish you a merry Christmas as well. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 11:40, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * Happy Christmas, Ground Zero (I do remember your real name lol). Enjoy the day with the hubby. It's also raining here, and will be till January, by all accounts.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:10, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah merry Christmas to everyone reading this as well. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 20:23, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merry Christmas to you as well :). SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 20:52, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Issues
When I hover over a link to a guide, sometimes no text appears. For example- Hovering over Cooch Behar, gives the image of the railway station with no description. Also, the image shown while hovering is nowhere in the guide. 2006nishan178713 (talk) 04:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)


 * See Pub SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 05:04, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ok 2006nishan178713 (talk) 05:05, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

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