User talk:JsfasdF252

Hello, JsfasdF252! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:21, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh, one more thing: The article on the Southern Shore of New Jersey is a region article with two smaller regions linked in it. It's definitely a great idea to mention some highlights of things to see and do on the southern shore, but it's best to keep the highlights fairly brief and put the full listings in the guides to the relevant cities (or parks, etc.). Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:24, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Also, look at Links to Wikipedia. For better and worse, inline links are generally not allowed on this site. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:17, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Categories
Are you actively creating categories? That's unnecessary, just so you know. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:55, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * JsfasdF252, please don't make bold changes to templates that break the category tree. Your change to a bunch of templates have broken many pages and I'm not going to clean up after you. Changing "Ruralarea" to "Rural area" was completely unnecessary, in my opinion – the categories were meticulously named as such to be in line with our article status templates. Please make an argument at Template talk:Stbox for why you think "Ruralarea" should be any different. Otherwise, I will revert your change as it did not comply with Using MediaWiki templates. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 05:03, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, please stop. We will have to block your editing privileges if you continue doing senseless things like making Winter sports in Kosovo "a part of topic" Winter sports in Kosovo. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:34, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh well, I'll guess I just stick to adding and improving listtings for my hometown and surrounding areas. JsfasdF252 (talk) 22:44, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That would be great. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:00, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Are you actively editing categories? We don't do that on this site, either. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:11, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I was trying to implement a new regionalization scheme for Northeastern Pennsylvania that was originally planned out in the Traveller's pub. JsfasdF252 (talk) 21:40, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That doesn't involve actively editing categories. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:15, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Stub articles
JsfasdF252, are you going to be adding content to the articles you've been creating, like Shrewsbury_(New_Jersey), Bay Head, Lavallette, Holmdel, and Eatontown? It would be great to see articles that tell readers what to see and do, and where to eat and sleep in these towns.

On the other hand, an article that just says "Town X is in County Y" doesn't provide any useful travel information to readers, so we usually delete those articles if they are not expanded by the author.

Could you focus on expanding these articles before you create any more? Thanks. Ground Zero (talk) 07:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Should I focus on one town at a time? JsfasdF252 (talk) 14:40, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If you're going to expand these articles, then we should keep them. Please add content as you have time. I'm just checking to make sure that you are planning to do so. Thanks for your contributions so far. Ground Zero (talk) 16:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello again. Several of your new articles still have little or no information for travellers in them.
 * These articles are empty. Should they be deleted? — Spanaway, Holmdel, Lavallette, Shrewsbury (New Jersey)
 * These articles have only one or two listings each. Should they be merged into the nearest town? — Eatontown, Bay Head, Brigantine
 * Please let me know. Thanks. Ground Zero (talk) 02:50, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I should explain that Wikivoyage is a travel guide. It isn't a list of places names. If an article doesn't help a reader get to the place, decide what to see or do, where to eat or sleep, then it doesn't serve any purpose. Also, we do not create articles for a single point of interest or a single business. Please expand these articles, or I will delete or merge them. Ground Zero (talk) 09:34, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * So I need to upgrade these articles to usable status so they can be kept indefinitely? How much time do I have until these articles are nominated for deletion/merging? JsfasdF252 (talk) 10:49, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No, you don't have to upgrade them to usable. As long as you are improving them, there is no reason to merge or delete. But if you move on to creating more stub articles instead of improving the ones you've already created, then it is reasonable to view them as being abandoned.
 * An article with some background on a town, how to get in, a couple of things to see or do, and a couple of places to eat and sleep, is much more useful to a traveler than five articles that offer nothing more than one restaurant or a mention of the county the town is in.
 * Wikivoyage is improved by adding content, not by creating stub articles. Ground Zero (talk) 12:09, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * A propos, do you plan to add a lot more content to Palisades Park? Not every town merits or has to have its own article on this site; it can be much more useful to cover a few towns in one article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:59, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Since you are creating more stub articles, I have begun proposing to merge stubs that you have created last month. If you think that those places are worthy of having separate articles, please demonstrate that by adding more content to the articles. Thanks. Ground Zero (talk) 12:55, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * How much time do I have before these articles are merged? Will they be merged permamently? Exactly how much content should there be in each article to save them from being merged? JsfasdF252 (talk) 19:54, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Nothing is permanent on a Wiki. It's very easy for you to turn a redirect back into an article if you plan to add a good deal of content. I don't think we can give you a rule that x-number of characters guarantees no merge/redirect, because these things are matters of judgment and consensus. Just add information. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:06, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Articles are not "permanently merged". If an article gets to be big and it makes sense to branch some content off into another article, then we do that. What we don't do is create articles for every place on the map and hope that someone else adds content. You can see in this discussion where I expanded and split a rural area article, and some of the new articles were expanded and split again. This is the natural way that articles develop.
 * You shouldn't be thinking about the minimum amount of content you have to add to stop an article from being merged, but rather about how to write an article that is useful for travellers. Is it better to have three articles for adjoining towns with one hotel, one grocery store and a restaurant in each article, or to combine them into one article that gives travellers choices for hotels, etc., in the area. Creating a separate stub article for a place you can walk to easily from a town that already has an article doesn't put the teaveller first. That comes across more like the behaviour of what some editors call a "page creation vandal", i.e., someone who creates articles because it's fun, rather than because they want to build a travel guide.
 * Over the last month, you added listing or two to each of Shrewsbury_(New_Jersey), Bay Head, Lavallette, Holmdel, Brigantine, and Eatontown, and then you want back to creating more stubs. It would be useful for travellers if you could develop these articles into useful travel articles that tell readers what to see and do, and where to eat and sleep in these towns. Creating stubs with one or two or even three listings is not building a useful travel guide. Would you feel informed enough to visit a town if you read amn article with only two listings it? Of course not. Ground Zero (talk) 21:14, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I expanded the stub that you created for Georgetown (Delaware) to an article that I think would be useful for readers. Any local knowledge you could add to this would make it even better. This is an example of how you could create useful articles for readers. Ground Zero (talk) 17:25, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Since I worked on those articles that were tagged for merging, to the point where some of them are nearing usable status, would these articles be more likely to be kept? JsfasdF252 (talk) 21:46, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Of course. And as I said, if you have a lot of content to add to an article that was merged, you may be able to turn it into a viable article that serves the traveler. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:17, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I've proposed the mergers. Each one should be re-evaluated to determine what best serves the traveller. If two small towns are side-by-side are would be viewed as one destination by travellers, we should present the information to travellers in one article. What makes most sense for the traveller is more important than following municipal boundaries. If it makes more sense for travellers to keep them separate, then we should do that.
 * In the future, please add content to existing articles for nearby towns, rather than creating stand-alone articles for one, or two, or three listings. Ground Zero (talk) 13:16, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Could somebody re-evaluate the articles on a case-by case basis? JsfasdF252 (talk) 23:04, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * If there is not much to say about some village, it is usually better to make the village name a redirect either to the article for a nearby town or to the region article, then put some village info into that article. Pashley (talk) 14:18, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Changing pagebanners
You should post a proposal on the relevant talk page(s), not unilaterally change pagebanners. When you do, expect that to be reverted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:15, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Does that include cropping banners that are already used to 7:1 and adding the pagebanner template to pages that don't have one but should? JsfasdF252 (talk) 18:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * No, but in the case I saw, there had already been a pagebanner on the page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:30, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

São Vicente
Regarding this edit, can you provide a reason why this is a destination for LGBT travellers? Is there LGBT nightlife they can access there? Without that, it just seems like a list of random cities. Thanks. Ground Zero (talk) 19:38, 7 June 2023 (UTC)