User talk:58.8.130.105

Hello. It would be nice if you would quit ranting over minor issues. Because of your initial edits, I had to rewrite all Bangkok articles in British English, and now I have pretty much a day-task of reverting your edits. Many of them do not add improve the article, are in bad English, replace lively writing with boring writing, and are about relatively minor issues. Instead of nibbling on about these, why not add some good restaurants, bars, and hotels you have visited? That would improve the article, instead of these pointless edit-wars.

About Khao San Road, why would you keep re-adding that locals "do not shop" there? While it's a running stereotype that KSR is an awful foreigner backpacker den with no locals going there, these times are far behind. The place has been gentrifying greatly, and also attracts locals—bars like Brick Bar, Phranakorn Bar, Tak Sura, and Bangkok Bar solely rely on local customers. Many, many locals I know go shopping and go out in the area, and it is particularly popular among artsy and indie-type locals. I already removed the sentence as a compromise, and added that shopping there is popular among Thai art students and indie types. I don't know where you live, but I live in the area and this is 100% true and pretty hard to argue against. I have tried another compromise wording, I hope it's okay with you this time. --(WT-en) Globe-trotter 22:47, 5 November 2011 (EDT)


 * Thank you for addressing me rather than just blindly reverting edits. It would be nice it you did not accuse me of 'ranting' as I am not, I have however been undertaking a number of edits: either copy-edits inc. of low-standards of English, or those to improve the factual content.


 * In respect of KSR it is impossible to argue that the vast majority of locals shop there or would ever consider shopping there .. infact they would be insulted or highly-amused at the suggestion. This information is important in a guide, for example when new visitors wish to know what is "real" Bangkok and what is an out-and-out tourist trap of back-packers.


 * In respect of Bangkok stereotypes. "Bird shit farang' is not my description but a commonly used name. And, the suggestion that female office workers, many of whom have degrees + speak foreign languages, are nothing other than 'human house plants' is inaccurate, sexist and offensive: that is not satire.


 * It would be nice for you to consider that your edits are not inherently the correct & valid version: you may disagree but this is suggested by the recent edit history.


 * Obviously the vast majority of residents do not shop in Khao San Road. However, like I said, it's very popular with a particular group, artsy/indie-types. They are also locals, just a particular group of locals. I have now removed the sentence completely, I hope that ends the edit-warring.


 * I know farang kii nok is a common way for Thais to say "stingy foreigner"; I don't mind that it is an insult, but the addition of this edit was not an improvement of the original. About the infobox: I did not write it. Someone else wrote it with Bangkok's stereotypes in mind; it is purposely written in an infobox to distinguish itself and its tone from the main article. It's obviously not to be taken seriously—giving some comic relief is the whole point of the box. However, if you'd like the box removed, voice your opinion at Talk:Bangkok.


 * In the end, however, the articles would benefit a lot more from adding travel content instead of style updates. British or American English, sq. m. or sq. footage, colour or color, in the end it's not all that important. Many of Bangkok's articles are star articles, which means their quality (and style) have been approved by the Wikivoyage community. Thus, your efforts are better put in adding travel content instead of applying style updates. --(WT-en) Globe-trotter 23:24, 5 November 2011 (EDT)