User talk:2A00:23C8:8E90:AE01:BCC1:5B94:78D3:4603

To the admin.

Your blocking of edits to the United Kingdom article confirms the rumours I've heard about this site: a very small clique of editors chase away newcomers.

That you consider 'self-defense' and 'license' to be spellings used in the UK perfectly illustrates your lack of knowledge of the country.

You've lost someone who was prepared to make knowledgeable and useful contributions. Well done: you've damaged the project simply for your own power games.

Attitude and tactics of admin
That an admin. has just locked editing to the United Kingdom article confirms the rumours I've heard about this site: a very small clique of editors chase away newcomers.

That you consider 'self-defense' and 'license' to be spellings used in the UK perfectly illustrates your lack of knowledge of the country.

You've lost someone who was prepared to make knowledgeable and useful contributions. Well done: you've damaged the project simply for your own power games.
 * Well, you were asked more than once to follow policy, and didn't. Ibaman (talk) 20:00, 13 January 2023 (UTC).
 * Your edits were reverted as they were inaccurate: in response you locked the page. Such behaviour is an example of what I've heard of this site. You would be advised to consider your reasons for editing, and being an admin, as they are not helping build this site. You are chasing away contributors.
 * WV:units: mililiters must be abbreviated "mL", not "ml", per policy, per discussion, per consensus. You cannot parachute here and decide that your preferred spelling must be used. If I had the time to explain to you that these minutiae MUST be discussed and have been, and consensus was achieved, and what the consensus is. You are not the first user to complain about this "harshness". There's been Turbo8000, there's been AC, and lots of anonymous IP users that behaved identically. But going against consensus, again and again, four, five times, is edit war, and as such it must be treated. Sorry if I sound unpleasant. Ibaman (talk) 20:16, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That you claim I went against consensus (of which I was unaware) 'four, five times' is untruthful. That doesn't 'sound' unpleasant, that IS unpleasant.
 * 'You are not the first user to complain about this "harshness".' That are are aware of your unpleasant attitude yet continue with it is rather telling.

User:2A00:23C8:8E90:AE01:BCC1:5B94:78D3:4603 has made a lot of copyedits over the past couple of days to the UK article, almost all of which are good edits. Ibaman disputed only two changes: they erred once in changing 'self-defence' and 'licence' back to 'self-defense' and 'license', but they have not persisted in making that change. The dispute is about one thing and one thing only: whether to use "ml" or "mL" units of measurement. Measurements is clear that we use "mL". Claiming that this constitutes "chasing away new editors" is an over-reaction. Ground Zero (talk) 20:18, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It is not the preference of ml over mL, rather it is the attitude of 'disagree with me and you'll be blocked': this is precisely what I've heard from others about this website. That I experienced this myself within days of starting to contribute has been highly informative. A far more constructive and welcoming dialogue would have been explanation with a supporting link (which I provided to support the use of ml). FYI: words I've heard about the culture of this site have been aggressive, heavy-handed, confrontational, unwelcoming, arrogant, best avoided, out-of-date information, armchair not actual travellers.
 * I'm not an expert on UK x US spellings, and checked out the licence/defence thing, and I believe I let the correct spelling stand, after checking out. But "ml" in Wikivoyage, after consensus achieved on WV:units, is an eyesore that must be corrected. Ibaman (talk) 20:22, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yet despite not being an expert you felt confident to change the spelling to defense and license along with the comment that such were as used in the UK. Also, the use of ml may be an eyesore to you but that it what is officially used in the UK (for which I provided support), hence my edit.
 * This isn't a dispute between you and Ibaman. It's a dispute between you and Wikivoyage policy. As Ibaman wrote in an edit summary, if you disagree with Wikivoyage policy, you can propose a change to it. If others agree with you, it will be changed. I have proposed many changes, and succeeded in getting some, and failed in getting others. That is the nature of a collaborative project. Repeatedly editing an article to impose your preferred style over the website's policy is called "edit-warring". Policies are put in place to try to prevent that sort of wasted effort. When an unregistered user edit-wars on an article, locking editing in that article is the only war to end the edit-war. Again, if you think the policy should be changed, make your case at Wikivoyage_talk:Measurements. Ground Zero (talk) 21:01, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 'It's a dispute between you and Wikivoyage policy.' Which policy? As noted above this is not about mL or ml.
 * 'Repeatedly editing an article to impose your preferred style over the website's' Which I didn't.
 * 'When an unregistered user edit-wars on an article' Which I didn't.
 * 'Again, if you think the policy should be changed, make your case at' That is not my concern. My concern is the admin's attitude and tactics, which have continued on this page by their false claims of going against consensus 'four, five times'

Here is the edit trail of the dispute over "ml" or mL": So user:2a00:23c8:8e90:ae01:bcc1:5b94:78d3:4603, you reverted Ibaman's correction three times. They were incorrect in writing that it was "four, five times", but they were not incorrect in writing that you were going against consensus, and doing so in a way that is considered edit-warring.
 * yes, on every one of these, I mentioned the proper policy: WV:units. I would also suggest you to kindly, slowly, carefully, acknowledge our WV:NOTHERE policy. If you'd rather ignore the links pretend you didn't see them, so you can take your aggressive finger-pointing to the personal level, please keep it to this talk page, or your talk page. Ibaman (talk) 21:28, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 08:53, 13 January 2023 Ibaman corrected the capitalisation of "mL", and wrote: "please check out WV:units"
 * 13:55, 13 January 2023 you reverted
 * 14:01, 13 January 2023 Ibaman restored the correction and wrote: "WV:units: this is the right spelling."
 * 14:19, 13 January 2023 you reverted
 * 14:24, 13 January 2023 Ibaman restored the correction and wrote: "Liters are capitalized: WV:units."
 * 14:29, 13 January 2023 you reverted and wrote: "‎Drink: official local unit (https://www.gov.scot/publications/drink-drive-limit-policy/)"
 * 14:42, 13 January 2023 Ibaman restored the correction and wrote: "if you want to change Wikivoyage policy, please discuss in Wikivoyage_talk:Measurements."

This seems to be the only point of contention now. Are there other disagreements between you? You have mentioned "license/licence" a couple of times, but they made that edit only once, and then ceded to you (and you are in the right there.)

This can be resolved by Ibaman acknowledging that they were incorrect in writing "four, five times", and by you by accepting the Measurements policy that "mL" is used in Wikivoyage, regardless of local custom, until such time as the community agrees to change the policy. Then we can get back to writing a travel guide. Ground Zero (talk) 21:41, 13 January 2023 (UTC) Ground Zero (talk) 19:13, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * for the record, I did acknowledge my mistake, and let the correct spelling stand. I also acknowledge the hyped, over-the-top way I express myself in print sometimes. Ibaman (talk) 21:45, 13 January 2023 (UTC)