User talk:151.20.20.192

Hello, 151.20.20.192! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub.

By the way, have you considered creating an account here? While you can absolutely keep contributing as an anonymous user, it promises a bunch of benefits, and no obligations.

When you start a new article, please use article templates, usually Small city article template. You can start your article by going to Quick small city article template, copying and pasting the text in gray including the codes, and inserting relevant information (such as what "City name" is and what "Region name" is). Let me know if I can be of any help.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:23, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Also, beaches don't get their own articles on this site unless they are actually the names of towns or are particularly long beaches that merit being park articles with Park article template. Instead, they should be Listings in the article for the nearest town. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:25, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Please pause
All of your beach articles, I believe without exception, will need to be merged and redirected to the articles for the nearest town. Instead of continuing to add new stubs, you could really help by posting a reply, telling us which towns are closest to each of these beaches, and when we don't have an article for the nearest town, which towns we already have articles for are closest. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:36, 6 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, I have blocked you from editing mainspace for the timebeing. Your block will be lifted once you've responded to the messages given by Ikan Kekek both here and at Talk:Theriva Beach (Lake Como). SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 05:04, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I unblocked you with SHB's agreement, because you did pause in creating new beach stub articles after I requested for you to pause. I would still like to know where Theriva Beach is, though, so we can figure out where to merge and redirect that article, so do please reply at Talk:Theriva Beach (Lake Como). Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:39, 10 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The rest of your beach stubs have all been merged and redirected to the articles for the nearest towns that have articles on Wikivoyage. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:09, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Information for Wikipedians
Hi. I'm going to give you the standard welcome for Wikipedians and then have some specific comments for you to think about:

Hello 151.20.20.192! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page.

If you are a Wikipedian then you may notice some differences in policies and the style of our articles. These include:
 * NPOV &rarr; be fair (not quite the same thing!)
 * be bold &rarr; plunge forward
 * Village pump &rarr; travellers' pub
 * External links &rarr; We do not use a separate external links section, but incorporate primary links only into the text itself.
 * sandbox &rarr; graffiti wall
 * stub tagging &rarr; Article status

It may also be very useful for you to check out Welcome, Wikipedians. If you need help, take a look at Help, or else post a message in the travellers' pub or on my talk page. Thanks for contributing!

I mentioned at the top of the page that you should please use the Small city article template when you start articles about towns, villages and so forth, and told you how to use it. Please do that!

Also, please note that this is not an encyclopedia but a travel guide, and tiny villages without much to see or do in them, such as Abbadia, are not likely to merit their own articles per this site's What is an article? guidelines. Please read those. Mandello might merit an article, but be careful about listing beaches that are closer to other towns that have articles on Wikivoyage. How many listings does that town really merit?

The other thing is, please respect Naming conventions. "(Lake Como)" is not part of the name of any place, and I don't think any of these places needs any kind of disambiguation on this site.

Finally, read Copyleft. It's not OK to copy text directly from Wikipedia without crediting your source in an edit summary, and it's not OK to include red links to non-articles like the words "motorcycle", "abbey" or "comune" (not an English word, actually) or names like "Benedictine", "Desiderius", "Moto Guzzi" or " Piaggio & Co. SpA". Please read your user talk page, pay attention to it, and reply here, so that we know you are paying attention. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:24, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

and...copyright violation
I deleted your Abbadia Lariana stub for being copied verbatim from Wikipedia without credit, in violation of Wikivoyage's copyleft policy and Wikipedia's Creative Commons Copyleft. However, that tiny place doesn't seem like it merits an article, anyway, per What is an article.

All of this text in your Mandello article is also directly copied from Wikipedia and needs to be edited for Wikivoyage style and to eliminate red links to non-articles that aren't about destinations:

Mandello del Lario (Lecchese: Mandèll) is an Italian town and comune in the province of Lecco, in Lombardy, on Lake Como.

Mandello is one of the most beautiful villages on Lake Como, about which Alessandro Manzoni tells us in his novel "I promessi Sposi", one of the most famous in Italian literature. The mountains between Mandello and Lierna Lake Como are wonderful and unique in the world, Lierna is an ancient secret and very exclusive village of Lake Como where many VIPs and international and noble families are risen.

The Grigna massif is located in Mandello's communal territory.

Since 1921, Mandello del Lario has been home to Moto Guzzi—the Italian motorcycle manufacturer, now a subsidiary of Piaggio & Co. SpA. The village each year since 2001 has hosted GMG (a.k.a. Giornata Mondiale Guzzi or Worldwide Guzzi Days).

Please fix the article per my instructions above. Thanks. If you don't, we may decide to delete it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:29, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Erroneous, copied travel information
Hi. Why, when you copied listings for beaches from Lierna and Lecco to Mandello del Lario, did you keep the travel information from those cities in the listings? Do you know how I got that travel information? I looked it up on Google Maps. You should do the same thing if you move listings from one article to another - which is what you should do instead of copying them. And please use Listings templates, not "bdi" templates that happen when you copy and paste listings visually and not in edit mode. Finally, note that it only makes sense for beach listings to be in the article for whatever town is nearest. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:43, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Why are you creating more stubs?
Please answer, or we'll have to block your editing access until you do. I don't think you've ever read your user talk page, have you? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:58, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, you have been blocked from editing mainspace for three days per How to handle unwanted edits. Further disruptive editing may lead to longer blocks. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 06:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Articles nominated for deletion
Hello 151.20.20.192, I have nominated all your articles for deletion at Votes for deletion. As your block only prevents you from editing mainspace and userspace, you are welcome to comment at vfd. Regards, -- SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 07:28, 12 March 2022 (UTC)