User talk:(WT-en) Peer

Stop touting
You want to add your entry, right? So why do you persist in disregarding the guidelines at Project:Don't tout? If you follow them, your entry can stay up. If you continually disregard them: (1) Your entry will never stay up. (2) Your account may be blocked. It's really that simple. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 12:48, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

Dear Ikan Kekek, I hope it`s now ok!? My motivation to write something about PHEN RESTAURANT, is, that we also like to say "Thank you, Phen, for the nice time we have spent in your place". I hope our adjectives are now ok, for we have compared it with the other comments before we now tried to edite again. We are sorry, for it wasn`t ok before. Peer


 * Thanks for replying. I definitely understand that you want to thank your customers, but you should do that in person. The current version of the entry is better, but: (1) You can't use ALL CAPS in any part of the entry. (2) You can't link to YouTube. Read External links for that. (3) You can't list your price as "fair prices," which could mean anything. (4) You are still including "Khao Lak, Takua Pa, Phang Nga, South of Thailand" in your address. All of that needs to be deleted because since it's in the Khao Lak article, everyone knows it's in Khao Lak. Just include the street address.


 * I would appreciate it if you would make all the required edits yourself. If you don't, someone else will, or might delete the entry again. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 15:58, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

Dear Ikan Kekek, thanks for your help. But what we don`t understand, is, if it could be, that there are different levels in that, which CAPS are ok and which not. If You are checking the caps of the otherone just in this threat, you can see, that they have also a lot of CAPS. For example: delicious dishes,cheap prices, delicious food, nice atmosphere,great food,delicious food as well, high quality cocktails, Great restaurant, New modern styled bar??? We like that this would be possible to change also in our note, for it`s just the true and objective (to read many times in the guestbook of Mrs. Phen): ..., a wide range of delicious food, ..., friendly service in a nice familiar atmosphere. Also available: sunchairs, sunshades & shower, ... Would be this ok? If it would be not ok, you have our permission to delete our note. Please, tell us.

Thanks a lot! Peer


 * Hi, Peer. First of all, to your question about caps: Use them as you normally would: At the beginnings of words in proper names and at the beginnings of sentences. The other issue is that you want to call your own restaurant great, delicious, etc., and you as the owner (manager, whatever) have a vested interest, whereby you are touting your place. So it's really best for you to keep things descriptive and keep the superlatives to a minimum. A more minor issue is that what's familiar to one person is very unusual to someone else.


 * Anyway, you have the same power as anyone else to edit articles, so just go ahead, but try not to sell your place too much; just describe it as accurately as you can, and then you'll be OK.


 * All the best,


 * Michael

Hey Michael, we were also just customers, who found this place May/ June 2011 and enjoyed our time there as well. But we were so thankfull to been there, that we like, that other one could take part also our amazing experience. Many times before we were already in Thailand, but the mix of this all include service of Phen Restaurant was quite the best, what we have had found in Thailand: long quite beaches, romantical ambience, delicious food, friendly service in a familiar atmosphere, personal inside informations about the life by Thai style, intriguing tours by the owner Mrs. Phen, where we had learned a lot of Thailand and his people, relaxing and enjoying the very good Traditional Thai massage, - or just to make a stopover for refreshing, jumping in the sea, taking shower with freshwater, to have a square meal, drinking an ice cold beer and relaxing in the sun (sunchairs & sunshades were free for the customers), enjoying our trip with the motorbike after or before. Nearly every day of our holiday we were there. Just have a positive attitude towards life! So we can recommend it and say: Just enjoy it! That`s really Thai style!

Anykind, we´ve already deleted this all in our note about Phen Restaurant. Also we tried already to describe it as accurately as we can. Only what we like to know, if it would be ok, if we are writing the additions, what we wrote ahead in the first. If not, You can delete our note, for sometimes it`s better to write nothing, than to less.

Thank you for Your comments and we wish you also the best!


 * Peer


 * Fair enough; it is indeed sometimes difficult to tell the difference between a touting member of management or ownership and a delighted customer, but that's why it's important to maintain an appropriate tone. But I don't want you to be afraid to make edits in good faith. Just understand that in any wiki site, whatever edits you make are subject to reediting or deletion. I do apologize if I judged you too hastily because at first you weren't paying attention to things I and other wrote in editing summaries.


 * All the best,


 * (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 02:41, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

Dear Ikan Kekek, don`t worry. For we are also thinking, that it`s really ok and good, if you take care this forum. And thank you for your help, for we are newcomers here. Just now we are not really be sure, if it is allowed to change this: "..., a wide range of e, ..., friendly service in a nice familiar atmosphere. Also available: sunchairs, sunshades & shower, ..." All the best! Peer


 * Go ahead and put in the edit, but the thing is, I don't know what a "familiar atmosphere" is. That's why I substituted "informal"; I think that's what you mean. The other thing that's confusing is, how does a restaurant also offer massage? That strikes me as unusual, but maybe it isn't unusual in the area.


 * All the best,


 * (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 01:14, 28 October 2011 (EDT)

Hey Ikan, you are a like a teacher :). But it`s ok. "Familiar"? In Phen Restaurant are also working her friendly sister and brother (taxiservice) - and you are feeling after sometimes visiting, that you are also a part of this familiy; also they are offering toys for the kids to play in the sand, that`s why. "Informal" closed together with trad. Thai massage could be missunderstanding - we think so, that`s why we have changed it. There is a small beach house closed together with the restaurant by the same owner. There you can enjoy a really good competent traditional Thai massage. It`s nice to go there. For example after sleeping on the beach, etc.. After you are feeling as new born. If You have a problem or pain in your body, - after the massage you can forget it. :) You see, they have really an all around service! Thanks for understanding! Hope it`s now ok. All the best. Peer


 * Hi again. Just curious, who's the "we" you mention in this post?


 * Anyway, "familiar" doesn't usually refer to "family-like"; instead, the most common usage is to mean "usual." If you're familiar with something, it's commonplace for you.


 * Also, you might want to explain in the listing what you just explained here about the massage taking place in a nearby small beach house under the same ownership.


 * And I am in fact a teacher.


 * (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 18:39, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

Hey, you are really a stringent teacher :) . Are you still teaching in school? But it`s not curious, it`s just my wife - and she has everytime the last word :). And sorry, I think you know it already, our mother language isn`t English, Ok, but I think you know now also, what we are meaning with "familiar". How should it been to write? For we are thinking it`s a special of this restaurant! Also we don`t understand why you are deleting everytime "delicious", - for it is! And you can read this many times also by the other one?! And a special of this beach restaurant is, that they have an all include all around service: delicious food and cold drinks, relaxing and refreshing in the sun, inside information und tours, taxi service, tradt. Thai massage, teaching how to cook Thai food, laundry service. The most of this, we have already reduced.

I didn`t know before, that it is so difficult to write just 2 sentences in the internet. Please, let us find a happy end of that all :) !

Ok, you are the teacher, and you know now, what we were trying to write. Please, help and teach us. Thank you already now for your pleasure! All the best! Peer


 * (1) I've stopped deleting "delicious." (2) I think "informal and friendly" probably comes closest to your meaning. You could say if you become a regular, they treat you like family, but even if that's true, it sounds too much like a sales pitch and I would leave it out. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 11:36, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

Dear Ikan Kekek, thank you so much!!! We are hoping, that everything is now ok. Whow, it was really a hard job! But now I think we`ve found the golden middle. Anykind, that it was true - for they treat us like family, and not only us, every guests had have the same feelings about - we are thinking it´s now also ok, if we are just writing "informal and friendly atmosphere", for then the new guests will be also positive surprised! That is better! Ok, dear Ikan Kekek, thank you for your patience and helping! All the best for you! Peer