User talk:(WT-en) P.K.Niyogi

Welcome
Hello P.K.Niyogi! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thanks for your contributions! We tend to be very wary about the copyright of images on this site, so could you indicate the source for each of the images you've uploaded:


 * Image:Namkhana.jpg
 * Image:Hotel Deepak.jpg
 * Image:Frasergunj Fishing Harbour.jpg
 * Image:Bakkhali Beach with boat.jpg
 * Image:Image - Bakkhali Map.jpg

Adding something as simple as "Map created by person" or "Photo from site" would be sufficient to allow the editors here to feel confident that the image really is something that is compliant with our Project:Copyleft. Otherwise, looks good! Thanks again, and welcome! -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:30, 21 June 2006 (EDT)

All the photgraphs uploaded were taken by me. The map also is mine.(WT-en) P.K.Niyogi 07:33, 21 June 2006 (EDT)


 * Yes, that's great. Thanks! -- (WT-en) Ryan 10:18, 21 June 2006 (EDT)

Images
I know you're somewhat new here, but any future images you upload would you please make sure to upload them to Wikivoyage Shared? It's the same thing as Wikimedia Commons and allows all of the language versions of Wikivoyage use the images, not just the English version. To use Wikivoyage Shared you'll need an sign up for an account over there. To get back to the English Wikivoyage after using Wikivoyage Shared just type in www.wikivoyage.org, which will take you back to the English version. Also, make sure all images you upload are yours and they are licensed under the CC-by-SA 1.0 license or public domain. Thanks. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 13:55, 9 August 2006 (EDT) The photos uploaded were taken by me at site. I have drawn the map. I hope this serves your purpose. (WT-en) P.K.Niyogi 07:37, 21 June 2006 (EDT)
 * What is DSP PR and do they realize that the image is now licensed under CC-by-SA 1.0? -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 02:41, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

DSP PR stands for Durgapur Steel Plant Public Relations. They have provided the photographs with full knowledge that I am going to put them in Wikipedia or Wikivoyage. They also provide pictures to the press as and when required. They are easily identified by the initials. (WT-en) P.K.Niyogi 02:46, 12 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Alright, so if they know about the CC-by-SA 1.0 license will you please note that on the images you upload. I'd change it, but since I didn't talk to them I don't want to put any incorrect information.  Thanks. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 02:48, 12 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Hi again! Would you please upload your images to Wikivoyage Shared?  The images you've uploaded today are lovely, but I also work on the German Wikivoyage but I can't use your images on the German Wikivoyage because you aren't uploading them to Wikivoyage Shared.  I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd upload the images to Shared so all the other language versions can use your images.  Thanks. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 20:37, 31 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks. I will have to find out how to do that. Once I do that I will put it up, but not today. I have some more images for uploading. -- (WT-en) P.K.Niyogi 20:42, 31 August 2006 (EDT)

Images used by articles
Hi Niyogiji,

You asked Andrew if there is a way to find if an image is being used by someone on Wikivoyage. Yes indeed there is. If you go to Image:St.Paul's Cathedral.JPG for example, at the very bottom, there is a "links" section which shows all the pages that link to that image. (As of now, only London links to it) You can do the same for images that you upload to shared. For example, you have uploaded Image:Inside Shakespeare's Globe Theatre, London.JPG to shared. But you can access it directly from the English Wikivoyage using the link, and there indeed you can see that it is linked from London/South Bank on the English Wikivoyage. But there is no way to know if other language articles have linked to your image except by visiting the same image's page on every language.

Hope that is clear. If not, please don't hesitate to ask on my talk page. And kudos for the great work you are doing! &mdash; (WT-en) Ravikiran 08:29, 2 September 2006 (EDT)

West Bengal
The list of cities is growing enormous on the West Bengal article. The ideal number for a list of places is a maximum of nine, so if you have the knowledge of the city and distict relationshhips, it would be really helpful if you could place the lesser known cities onto their specific district page - see Karnataka as an example. Thanks. (WT-en) WindHorse 00:31, 16 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Basically the cities that are on the main list are those that travelers are most likely to visit - these can be tourist places or commercial centers. Anyway, I'll start the district articles and later if you can move the less important cities to those sections it would be really helpful. Thanks. (WT-en) WindHorse 01:03, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

01:18, 16 October 2006 (EDT)
 * The district articles are complete. Sorry, I can't help with the cities. Although I have visited West Bengal many times, I'm ashamed to say that I'm only familiar with Kolkata, Siliguri and Darjeeling - next time I should venture further out. (WT-en) WindHorse

''I thnink I will be able to help out. -- P.K.Niyogi 02:15, 16 October 2006 (EDT) Retrieved from "http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:WindHorse"''


 * Thanks. That's great. (WT-en) WindHorse 02:54, 16 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Wow! you've done a great job with West Bengal. Thanks. (WT-en) WindHorse 04:23, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

Infobox
Hi Niyogiji The infobox looks good, but it is better to put those things in a template so that the users don't have to type all that in every page. I can have a go at it, but only after I come back from my Diwali trip on Wednesday. Wish you a happy Diwali! &mdash; (WT-en) Ravikiran 16:58, 19 October 2006 (EDT)

Sacred sites, Tourist Destinations, Other destinations
Hi Niyogi-ji - I previously made a general request/suggestion regarding the list of 'Sacred sites', 'Other destinations' on the India article (see debate below taken from India Talk page). As someone who lives in India, your comments and possible assistance with this could be invaluable (WT-en) WindHorse 03:15, 23 October 2006 (EDT)


 * First, I think that 'Tourist destinations' and 'Other destinations' should be combined and pruned down to a list of no more than nine places - some I am familiar with, others not, so I pass this on as a suggestion only.
 * The 'sacred sites' needs chopping down to a list of no more than nine places. I suggest the following should be included: Amritsar, Haridwar, Bodh Gaya, Sarnath, Shravanabelagola, Varanasi... NB: These are suggested locations only, and feasibly another three places could be added to the list. Suggestions/ideas?!? (WT-en) WindHorse 06:03, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

'':I would agree with that... and list the others in the state sections... like Trichur, and in fact all of the Kerala sites, doesn't need to be on main India page... maybe have 1 bullet for 'Tamil Nadu - amazing temples such as xxx' and then have a broader list on the Tamil Nadu page... (WT-en) Cacahuate 04:36, 22 October 2006 (EDT)''

Jaldapara
What problem are you having on Jaldapara? A quick scan and I couldn't notice any problems. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 08:30, 23 October 2006 (EDT)

The debate
You left this message on my discussion page: ''I have been working on Jharkhand for the past few days. I found there were some locations – just general cities. Then I added ‘National Parks’ and ‘Pilgrimage centres’. Now, there could be some places not defined by any of these. I would have to think of another heading to suit that. I personally feel that it is extremely difficult to standardize these things round the world. You have to allow for local variations. Since I do not have information on the full debate you are referring to, I am unable to comment immediately. -- P.K.Niyogi 07:35, 23 October 2006 (EDT) ''

Sorry Niyogi-ji, I didn't explain well. My comments regarding a debate referred to the information I sent you in italics. The problem has nothing to do with Jharkhand - which is developing into a great article by the way - but the main India article itself. Ideally, lists should consist of no more than nine places, but as you'll see, the list from 'Tourist destinations', 'Other destinations' and 'Sacred sites has well exceeded that number and looks untidy. So, what I propose to do is to prune it down, and to do that I plan to combine the 'Other destinations' and 'Tourist destinations' into one list called 'Other destinations', and reduce the number of sacred sites to nine. Certainly, not all these places meriit being listed in the main article and most can be assimulated into a regional article. As I am not familar with many of the towns listed, I was seeking your guidance and/or help as an Indian regarding which to places leave on the main page and which to relegate to a regional article. As you will see, I suggested six places to remain in the sacred site list, but those were only suggestions based on my (limited) knowledge of Indian culture. Apologies for the confusion.(WT-en) WindHorse 08:46, 23 October 2006 (EDT)


 * OK, I'll try the sacred sites, but I won't attempt the others as my knowledge of India is confined to certain areas only. Thanks for your suggestions. By the way, the work you are doing is really helpful, and I hope to avail myself of much of the information when I visit West Bengal next year. Thanks. (WT-en) WindHorse 11:08, 23 October 2006 (EDT)

Templates
Hi! Just a quick note to say thanks for all of your great work lately. However, you may want to take a quick look at Project:Using Mediawiki templates - we generally don't create too many templates, and something like Template:National Park India is generally not done with a template here. The policies are flexible, but I'd suspect that that template will eventually be proposed for deletion. In any case, if you have questions feel free to discuss on Project:Using Mediawiki templates, and thanks again! -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:51, 28 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Hey - no worries about your template! There aren't "rules" per-se, so it's entirely possible that policy could be changed to allow wider template use.  I tend to like limiting how many templates we create since it helps keep things more organized, but I fully realize that there are benefits and disadvantages.  In any case I'll VFD the template for now, so the discussion can continue on the VFD page.  Thanks for helping out! -- (WT-en) Ryan 03:10, 28 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Hi - there is already a page covering this topic: National Parks, which has a connecting link from the 'Other destinations' section of the main India article. (WT-en) WindHorse 06:50, 28 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Hi Niyogi-ji - As you requested, I've made provision on the Indian National Parks for adding the names of wildlife sanctuaries - hope it is satisfactory. (WT-en) WindHorse 22:17, 28 October 2006 (EDT)

Sundarbans vs Sunderbans
I notice that we have two different spellings for this region of West Bengal. One uses an a, while the other an e. Google listings show the a version to be most popular, though both are widely used. To be consistent, should we use only the spelling that using the a, as this is the version used in the main article heading, and also there is already a redirect from Sunderbans, with the e. See the following sentence as an example of the mixed spelling: Sundarbans National Park – The gateway for the West Bengal part of Sunderbans is through Canning and Basanti but one can make one’s way to the Sunderbans from Bakkhali also. Anyway, as you are the West Bengal expert, I'd be happy if you made the decision about this, and I'll follow. (WT-en) WindHorse 22:28, 28 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Great - let's see if you can find a Scottish version of the Sundarbans, maybe on the shores one of those beautiful lakes (lochs?!?). (WT-en) WindHorse 23:37, 28 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Yeah, I have been to Scotland and West Bengal - as you say they are very different, yet beautiful in their own special ways. (WT-en) WindHorse 00:29, 29 October 2006 (EDT)

Maps
Hey Niyogi-ji - great maps. I'm impressed. Thanks for your efforts. (WT-en) WindHorse 09:17, 3 November 2006 (EST)

Tip
Thanks for all your contributions. Just a tip: there's a new template called  that is a new and improved version of isin. The new template is nicer in that it lets you use spaces to write the argument more naturally. Cheers! -- (WT-en) Colin 19:32, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Images
Thanks for the image uploads, but it would be good to put them on Wikivoyage Shared instead, so that contributors to the wikis in other languages can have access to them too. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 10:11, 30 December 2006 (EST)

Red Links
I noticed that you removed the Wikilinks in this edit to remove links to nonexistent city articles. Actually, we do want to keep those wikilinks -- they are an invitation to readers to contribute an article for those cities. Basically, if it matches our criteria for Project:What is an article?, then we want a wikilink to it. And thanks for all your contributions! -- (WT-en) Colin 21:49, 1 January 2007 (EST)