Template talk:Overseasjobscam

Forced work warnings in SE Asia articles
The Work sections of many Southeast Asian countries have recently been festooned with very lengthy and dramatic explanations (eg. Cambodia) about the practice of basically taking foreigners hostage and forcing them to work, typically in scam call centers, under the threat of extreme violence. It's a real enough problem, but the scam operators seems to target Chinese speakers almost exclusively, meaning that English Wikivoyage is unlikely to be of much assistance here. Unless there are objections, I'll templatize the warning and cut it down to a few lines or so. Jpatokal (talk) 15:10, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * FWIW, I would expect most Chinese speakers who know at least a decent amount of English to read the English Wikivoyage. As it stands, zh.voy is nothing more than a few skeletons. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 06:30, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your opinion. For the following reasons I disagree with removing the warningbox templates from these articles, simply because they "only affect Chinese or Chinese-speaking people":
 * Chinese or Chinese-speaking people are not the only victims: there have been Malaysians, Vietnamese, Filipinos, and even Americans fell into victim of these heinous modern slavery schemes (all links are in Chinese, though you can verify by Google translate).
 * By practice it is OK to leave nationality-specific security warnings in Wikivoyage articles. For example we left warning that Chinese visitors should exercise additional precaution in Myanmar and Thailand, due to anti-government activist's hostility towards the Chinese government/state. Alternatively we wrote in Iran that state-sponsored hatred against the USA rarely projects on typical American travellers.
 * Per the opinion of SHB2000, Chinese Wikivoyage is really really empty. See these zh voy article about Cambodia or Thailand, and you'll have an immediate understanding on how empty these articles are. A reasonable Chinese-speaking reader will certainly not go for them, especially if they can read some basic English.
 * That said, if you have idea on how to simplify things, please leave a note. I indeed placed and consolidated some information at Working abroad, and I'm OK with leaving a link and brief warning inside each warningbox templates within these affected articles.廣九直通車 (talk) 07:22, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Quick comment from an English speaker (well, kind of) working with Asian (including Chinese students). Many don't have "a decent amount of English", but they do read English WV or Wikipedia (since they are larger) - but they do so using machine translation. It's a new phenomena, but the last few years are really seeing this trend on the rise. Those of you not working with young people or not working with non-English speakesr may not be aware of that, but it's a growing trend. Piotrus (talk) 07:25, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that we should serve all people. The question is about how much screen real estate of all readers to use. The warning on the country pages should be prominent and thorough enough for a traveller to realise they could be in danger, and the rest should be explained somewhere else. We should also concentrate on how to avoid the scam and how to get away when you still can, while specific facts on what has happened are unimportant. –LPfi (talk) 08:13, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comments. To be clear, I don't want to remove them entirely, just trim them down a bit and use a shared template, and linking to a longer scam page is perfect.  I've sketched out a draft at Template:Overseasjobscam and you can see it in action at Template:Overseasjobscam/Test. Jpatokal (talk) 08:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support cutting down the size of the warning to like 25% of the current size and than link out to an article that provides further details to those who are interested. Support User:Jpatokal changes. Travel Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 15:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I support reducing the size (Doc James' suggestion of 25% sounds reasonable. Just in case anyone hasn't clicked through, here's what we're talking about:

That warning is longer than most articles. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:45, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Indeed. It should be collapisble at least. Also, it seems Cambodia-specific, so it should not be used in other SE Asia articles unless it is rewritten. Piotrus (talk) 03:47, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Here's the proposed template, with parameters used for Cambodia-specific content. Jpatokal (talk) 04:04, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your template work, and this specific warning box maintains the seriousness of the warning, yet is more slim and redirects a bulk of the information under Working abroad. I support your solution.廣九直通車 (talk) 07:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, and I also just made the variable related to "2" (contact list for local authorities) to be an option, so that if we typed nothing in there, we won't get ugly unfilled items. Like, for example in rebel-held area in Myanmar (where criminals establish their bases due to complex environment), it's pointless to contact the Burmese police as they have no control over these area.廣九直通車 (talk) 07:36, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thank you. I'll add some docs to the template and swap it into the relevant SE Asia country articles. Jpatokal (talk) 03:04, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Let me check what code. Tailsultimatefan3891 (t | c | ca) 03:00, 29 October 2022 (UTC)