Talk:Zerzevan Kalesi

Should this be an article?
thanks for contributing about this site, but does this place merit its own article? Per What is an article?, only places with accommodation options get an article, and quoting that policy page "Individual attractions should not have their own articles (in general). Their information should be listed in the guide to the destination in which they are located (or nearest destination for attractions located in the middle of nowhere)". Sure, there is an exception for large archaeological sites (Ephesus is given as an example) but according to Zerzevan Castle, this seems like a site with some ruins that isn't exceptionally large. I understand it's quite a long way from anywhere, but I think it might be best listed in the Diyarbakır article, perhaps at a "Nearby" section which can be created just before "Go next" per Small city article template. Vidimian (talk) 12:38, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I think that the best thing to do about it is to add it as a destination, just like Mount Nemrut. However, if the destination I wrote about is too minor to be mentioned, it can be listed under the name of the "Cinar" province of Diyarbakir, the province that Zerzevan is located in. Although the province itself does not have anything unique other than this and is not really developed by any sense other than being in the middle of Mardin and Diyarbakir city centers, it might be the best bet. Like, Mount Nemrut is added as a destination in the Southeast Anatolia; however, when you open the article, you see that it is about "Kahta" province of Adiyaman and yet it mostly describes Mount Nemrut itself with the bonus of some accomodation centers in Kahta, a relatively big province unlike Cinar. I think that the same steps can be followed here if neccesary, with the article being listed as "Mount Nemrut" in the Southeastern Anatolia page and being about the entire province instead. The Mighty Koopatrol (talk) 13:09, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, does Çınar have anything other than this castle worth listing? Any accommodation and restaurants? The Kahta article isn't in great shape, but it does mention some sights other than Nemrut as well as a few eating places and hotels, besides the fact that Nemrut seems to be an incomparably more popular and larger site than Zerzevan. Zerzevan Kalesi now says "... It can be advised to stay in either the city center of Diyarbakir or Mardin and then visit the area ...". If that's truly the case, this castle might be better presented at one one those articles. But if indeed Çınar is large enough to support its own article (I mean potentially filling the essential sections with material other than basically "there is nothing here, move on"), I'm fine with that solution, too. Vidimian (talk) 13:45, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, the only major attraction in the province is Karacadag other than Zerzevan Castle. However, since Cinar is not going to be good for an article in itself and Karacadag is closer to the Diyarbakir city center than Cinar province center, connecting it to Diyarbakir seems to be a better option. The article can be its own subgroup in Diyarbakir article then. However, it can be mentioned seperately in the map section of Southeastern Anatolia. Since the Zerzevan Castle link is going to direct the reader into the Diyarbakir article and there they will see the information they are looking out, it will not be a problem I guess. The Mighty Koopatrol (talk) 14:44, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I merged the material into Diyarbakır (after summarizing a bit), with a link from Southeastern Anatolia. Please edit as might be necessary. Vidimian (talk) 03:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)