Talk:Visa summary for EU citizens

Not all EU citizens are equal
I'm afraid this document generalizes too much -- not all countries treat all EU citizens equally. For example, until recently Swedes could visit Brunei without a visa while Finns needed one, and the US to this day requires visas from many Eastern European EU members (Bulgaria, Cyprus, Greece, Malta, Poland and Romania, at time of writing). (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:30, 4 January 2009 (EST)

I agree. Vietnam, for example, requires visas for most EU members but not Denmark, Sweden and Finland. And in the case of most countries, the EU is not treated as 1 country, and visa requirements differ for each member state. Therefore, I don't think we should have this list.218.186.12.219 14:27, 1 February 2009 (EST)


 * Updated to reflect reality --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 15:23, 1 February 2009 (EST)


 * This information should be in the Get in section of the relevant countries. Why update it twice?  --(WT-en) Inas 18:32, 1 February 2009 (EST)


 * "Get in" tells who can enter country X, but this page tries to do the reverse: tell EU citizens where they can go without a visa. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:40, 2 February 2009 (EST)


 * huh, I don't recall seeing anything but general talk about visa's on country pages. Mind you, I didn't start this article, but I can see it's usefulness if I ever get around to update it comprehensibly for all countries, for all EU nationalities. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 23:26, 1 February 2009 (EST)

Tables
I have reorganized this into a table for easier reference, and it's easier to tell what info is missing. There are still quite a lot of countries missing from the page, and in the previous list format, it was going to get enormously long if completed. We may want to split the table into continents so the page can be navigated that way from the table of contents. Texugo (talk) 19:02, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Albania
For Albania the article says Maximum stay: "90 days page €100". What does that mean? I find nothing similar in Albania visa information. –LPfi (talk) 15:55, 3 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Added in this diff. Seems incomprehensible to me. —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)


 * OK. I remove it until somebody can word it comprehensibly – if relevant. It was added together with changing visas to needed (according to the diff). –LPfi (talk) 20:24, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

VFD nomination
We don't do lists on Wikivoyage. And in any case, if you want to go somewhere, you should be checking with that country's diplomatic mission, or the destination page on Wikivoyage to see if you need a visa. In particular, there's no way we can have a proper list for visa requirements for EU citizens, because there is no unified EU passport, and each EU country issues its own passports, so visa requirements will defer depending on which specific EU country you are from. The dog2 (talk) 16:37, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. As nominator. The dog2 (talk) 16:58, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:52, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per above and my comment at Talk:Visa summary for U.S. citizens. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:31, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * As a side note: citizens of EU member countries do have the citizenship of EU (and it says so on the passport) as well but this is really just relevant if you travel, work and live in other EU countries. But countries outside the EU sometimes have different visa requirements for, say, Germans and Bulgarians. Ypsilon (talk) 17:42, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete or turn these into a short articles referring to some external site that has a well maintained list - maybe a EU / US based airline or travel agent. This kind of list need to be fairly complete, and updated every few weeks when something changes. The US list is far too short to be of use, and I can see some out of date info in the EU list (in addition to the complete lack of Covid updates). AlasdairW (talk) 22:01, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I think we should make these a soft redirect to Visa requirements for European Union citizens or Visa requirements for United States citizens. These WP articles are much more detailed and look to be regularly updated. AlasdairW (talk) 18:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Do we redirect any Wikivoyage search terms to Wikipedia articles? If not, should we? I don't think we do, but I don't know. I think it would be OK to do so in very limited cases that are exceptional and decided by consensus on a search term's talk page, but perhaps we should discuss that at Wikivoyage talk:Links to Wikipedia. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:44, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I am thinking of links to WP, not a direct redirect. I have put this on Visa summary for EU citizens, but this can be reverted if this is a bad move. This links to WP articles and an IATA database. I think that these kind of lists are more useful for those with less "popular" passports than US or EU - such citizens may want to avoid getting visas for airport transfers. AlasdairW (talk) 21:15, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with what you did, but it's probably worth having a discussion about it, maybe at that article's talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:31, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I now would rather keep the articles as is with the Wikipedia links. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:11, 16 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete these. Add links to the WP "visa requirements ..." articles in our Visa article. If that violates policy, add them anyway & consider fixing the policy. Pashley (talk) 01:49, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with adding to the Visa article, as it takes out a couple of steps that the user has to take in order to reach the information they need (far more likely that they'll find the Visa article before they find the two pages under discussion here).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:52, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Any takers for this idea? Ikan Kekek?--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:05, 16 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete SHB2000 (talk)  10:48, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep or Redirect. As it now stands, with links to (hopefully) updated sources it does no harm and could be useful. When the equivalent info is included on the Visa page, a redirect should suffice, to avoid updating in two places. A redirect is useful for those who have bookmarked the article or find a link to it somewhere. No need for outright deletion. –LPfi (talk) 13:12, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Intermediate outcome - no consensus after 14 days, take an extra seven.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:47, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep until it can be redirected to Visa, per LPfi.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:08, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * How likely are Visa summary for EU citizens and Visa summary for U.S. citizens to be used as search terms instead of, say, "visa"? These would be good examples of completely pointless redirects. Ground Zero (talk) 01:10, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I feel like links to the counterpart Wikipedia articles are useful, but I won't make a federal case out of it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:32, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I would put those in the Visa article, where readers are more likely to find them. Ground Zero (talk) 02:29, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Let's do that, but although the article name is unlikely as search term, there may be links to it, and it may turn up in search results. Let's not break those links, but keep the page as redirect – and let's wait with redirecting until those links in fact have been added to the Visa article. –LPfi (talk) 06:53, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I now added the summary and links from the EU visa article to a new section Visa. The US visa article seems to just have an incomplete table. I suppose we now can redirect the pages. –LPfi (talk) 07:59, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Outcome: redirected to Visa.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:58, 28 April 2021 (UTC)