Talk:Sustainable travel

I'm not thrilled with the list of external links here -- I'd rather we discussed the principles of ecotourism, rather than make a Web directory. --(WT-en) Evan 11:05, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * Me too. National ecotourism umbrella orgs should move to the countries' articles, this should just link to the countries in question, like we do for Scuba diving etc. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:23, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Hitchhiking
Why does hitchhiking have lower emissions than taking a bus or a train? It seems to me that they'd all be in the same class (there's a vehicle that's already going somewhere, and it's not going to produce any more emissions just because you got on it). Cheers, (WT-en) JYolkowski 19:37, 18 January 2009 (EST)


 * Rewrite and expand... you have my full support :) – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 12:49, 19 January 2009 (EST)


 * I guess that's because when there are more and more pessengers taking a train or a bus, they'd put more buses/trains into service, thus resulting in a higher emission figure. But no one really would start driving down the road with the sole intention of taking a hitchhiker.--(WT-en) Vidimian 07:23, 11 February 2009 (EST)


 * On the other hand them putting more buses/trains into service might mean more people leaving the car at home. If the bus or train usually is crowded, going by other (non-polluting) means is probably always good, while being the forth or tenth passenger on the bus is more likely to save an important service than doing harm. --LPfi (talk) 10:15, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Amount of emitted pollutants per person per 1000 km traveled
I'm wanting to put together a infobox on flight and climate change for the fundamentals of flying page (presently the featured travel topic displayed on the homepage) I was wondering where the data in the Other pollution section was taken from. I've been having a hard time finding info to put in the box. Also if anyone is into helping out, they'd be more than welcome. At present there's just some discussion on the article's talk page --Keithonearth (talk) 21:33, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Name confusion
There is some confusion of the definition. According to Wikipedia, Ecotourism is a form of tourism involving visiting fragile, pristine, and relatively undisturbed natural areas, intended as a low-impact and often small scale alternative to standard commercial (mass) tourism.

However, much of the article is about minimizing ecological footprint when travelling. It can be considered for business travel as well as urban backpacking and agritourism. Possibly, the article can be renamed as environmental concerns, sustainable travel or something similar. / Yvwv (talk) 22:24, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Agreed, perhaps the article should be merged to something like "green tourism" or "sustainable tourism" to contrast from biotourism. Nicole Sharp (talk) 22:47, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Admin privileges needed to move to sustainable tourism. /Yvwv (talk) 17:10, 25 October 2015 (UTC)


 * That's not a problem. I think the main point is that a consensus needs to be attained. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:00, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree that Ecotourism is something very different. Why not simply merge the content of this page into Responsible travel? --El Grafo (talk) 08:38, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

2019 revival
I agree with moving to Sustainable travel or one of the other variations proposed back in 2015. Ecotourism (in its actual meaning) could equally be its own article. ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:23, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That seems like a good merge target. The current content may be best removed from there, though. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 20:41, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I support the move. Ecotourism is something different and the current naming is confusing. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:00, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I noticed that the original article was deleted. That doesn't cause any problem copyright-wise, does it? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 13:16, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Only if content from those versions was used. --LPfi (talk) 16:19, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree. I would add contents based on sustainable travel, not ecotourism. OhanaUnitedTalk page 19:07, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, it seems to have a large overlap between sustainable travel and responsible travel, and the responsible travel article somewhat overlaps with what you expect in the ecotourism page. OhanaUnitedTalk page 19:13, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps they should be merged into one article on the topic. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 19:14, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

The pagequote
I don't know, I don't like it. Are there any other quotes we might put there? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:49, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Bullet points
Should this article be written mostly in bullet point style or mostly in flowing text style? Currently it is a hybrid of both. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I prefer flowing text. Overuse of bulleted points makes even an article with a decent amount of content (like this one) look like a laundry list. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:39, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Be my guest in converting some. My edits have already made the text of some bullets longer, which may or may not help in that endeavor. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:52, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ ϒpsilon (talk) 09:46, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:21, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

The (currently) very last section
Now I have made some SEO edits as well as what I hope to be generally useful edits to this article, which helped bring down the copied content from over 50% to now barely 16%. However, the section headlined "CO2 emissions" still contains a lot of "copied" content, in fact I think most of the 16% are found there. I think that this section mostly duplicates advice we give above and some of the stuff said there could be better handled by the likes of Wikipedia. What do you think? Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:24, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * On another note, should we be concerned about the dead weblink? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:22, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Name of ecotourism article
Wikivoyage has an article about how to minimize environmental footprint when travelling. The article is currently named ecotourism. As stated on Talk:Ecotourism, the title is confusing, because the term has other meaning. Please provide your opinion about a renaming. /Yvwv (talk) 19:17, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Cruise ships
I'm editing the article to mention cruise ships. I'm not sure why they weren't mentioned before (maybe just nobody thought about it), but I've come across some interesting studies that show they are much worse polluters than even the filthiest airliner. I found different numbers as to HOW bad they pollute, but all agree they are worse than air travel. (The highest was well over 400 g/pkm for cruise ships). One article claimed that the 63 ships owned by Carnival Cruise Lines emit more pollution each year than every single car in Europe. Considering there are many cruise lines, that would be a very sobering fact if the numbers are true. In any case, I think that a comprehensive article on the subject of sustainable travel can not overlook a substantial sector of the travel industry. Mrkstvns (talk) 16:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I think it could also include somthing on how effective the attempts at some of the cruise industry in this direction is. Are the few cruise ships with sails just window dressing, or do they have signifantly lower emissions than regular ships. If you want a cruise style vacation, how do you choose the most sustainable - is there comparison information available on different cruise ships.
 * Could we have some numbers comparing a cruise with a luxury train trip? Is it really more sustainable to spend 6 nights on a train like the Orient Express and flying home, rather than going on a 7 day cruise from a port near home? AlasdairW (talk) 23:16, 26 August 2023 (UTC)