Talk:Seoul/Archive 2003-2012

I cleaned up the grammar & spelling in the "Buy" section (WT-en) Iflipti 10:10, 22 Mar 2005 (EST)


 * Thank you! (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:31, 22 Mar 2005 (EST)

This page really needs to adhere to standard Korean-English transliteration... "Apkujong" should be "Apgujeong", etc. (WT-en) Anthonymobile


 * Project:Plunge forward! And add in the hangeul so it's easy to double-check correctness. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:36, 15 March 2006 (EST)


 * And thanks for your contributions, but please take a look at South Korea and try to make sure they don't overlap too much. For example, dishes like bulgogi can be eaten anywhere in Korea, not just Seoul, and should (and are!) thus be described in the South Korea article. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:43, 15 March 2006 (EST)

Romanization issues
I think it might not be a bad idea to include both the current Romanization system and the former one (since many people still use it, including the Korea Times, Reuters, BBC (sometimes), many mapmakers, and Korean studies books, etc. As a style, doing this initially (when the name is first mentioned in an article) would be good, with the two divided by a slash: Gangnam/Kangnam, Busan/Pusan, Daejeon/Taejŏn, etc. What do you think?


 * I don't think this is necessary. Most names are close enough that they can be guessed reasonably easily. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:55, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Subway tickets
There are ticket vending machines that accept bills

Gae Soon Ok
Does this place still exist? I went looking for it the last time I was in Seoul, but couldn't find it, and now somebody deleted the listing. (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:49, 12 November 2007 (EST)

*Gae Soon Ok, 91-2 Jeodong 1-Ga, Jung-gu (near Euljiro 1-ga station, in small lane opposite Myeongdong cathedral). 50 years of dog meat soup (bosintang) and still going strong.

Very enlightening
Hello, your website is very informative and useful, I would like to share with you links, send all the questions on my e-mail.


 * Wikivoyage doesn't swap links. You can read more on the link policy here. (WT-en) Jamboo 16:15, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

Districts
I don't think the Seoul article is long enough to need districts just yet, but in any case, please hammer them out here first. This list is way too long: (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:44, 20 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Apgujeong (압구정, 狎鷗亭)
 * COEX Mall
 * Daechi-dong (대치동, 大峙洞)
 * Daehangno (대학로, 大學路)
 * Dongdaemun (동대문, 東大門)
 * Gangnam (강남, 江南)
 * Hongdae (홍대, 弘大)
 * Idae (이대, 梨大)
 * Insadong (인사동, 仁寺洞)
 * Itaewon (이태원, 梨泰院)
 * Jongno (종로, 鐘路)
 * Myeongdong (명동, 明洞)
 * Munjeong (문정, 文井)
 * Namdaemun (남대문, 南大門)
 * Namdaemun market (남대문 시장, 南大門 市場)
 * Samcheongdong (삼청동, 三淸洞)
 * Seorae Village (서래마을, 西來마을)
 * Seoul Station (서울역, 서울驛)
 * Sillim (신림, 新林)
 * Sincheon (신천, 新川)
 * Sinchon (신촌, 新村)
 * Yeouido (여의도, 汝矣島)

Seoul is a large city, in fact probably about the size of Mexico City and larger than New York. Given its size, I think its only appropriate that we sort it into districts. If a city like Kuala Lumpur with only 7 million people is divided into districts, surely a city like Seoul with 21 million people should also have districts. (WT-en) Superdog 23:36, 20 April 2008 (EDT)


 * There's an unresolved debate over when to divide, and as I'm sure Jani already knows, I say any time someone is willing to seriously take on the big task, that's a good time to divide. And Seoul is one of the world's most enormous cities, and should ideally be districted. It is really important, though, to come up with really clear district borders before introducing the district hierarchy to the article itself. Otherwise people won't know where to find/put things.


 * I'd also argue, for a city so large as Seoul, that it is also important to find a way to group the districts into smaller chunks (see example). And it might be best to first subdivide the city by those larger district breakdowns, and then, only after its clear that we'll have enough content for each district, break down those larger districts into a more finer grained hierarchy as you have proposed above.


 * A good rule of thumb, by the way, is that each district should be able to support a full article (so there should be multiple see, do, eat, sleep, etc. listings available for each district). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:01, 21 April 2008 (EDT)


 * I don't doubt that we'll eventually need to district Seoul, but at the moment I don't see the need. Districting is based on the amount of content, not the population of the city, and at the moment we've got a grand total of six Eat listings for the whole city (of which two should probably be under Drink!). (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:19, 21 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Perhaps we should just get some people(Koreans in the wikivoyage community, if there are any) who are familiar with the city to just add a district section. While there may not be enough listings to have separate articles for the districts, I think that a city of this size should have at least some mention of districts to make it easier for travellers to find their way around. (WT-en) Superdog 07:53, 21 April 2008 (EDT)


 * I was born and grew up in Seoul, and even I have a hard time dividing Seoul into many "districts". The city technically consists of a number of smaller division, but they are for administrative reasons, and doesn't necessarily reflect the cultural boundries from the one division to another. Even worse, those divisions are almost useless for travelers. Having said that, I saw some attempts to divide the neighborhoods according to mood, fashion trends, the way of living, etc. But I don't think one can come to conclusion as to which best reflects Seoul. 221.150.54.249 07:49, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Bukhansan
Why is there no mention of Bukhansan national park? Does it have multiple names or is it not technically not part of Seoul? It's the huge park in Northern Seoul with Mt. Insubong and Baekundae plus several others. (unsigned)

Military police
MILITARY POLICE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK ANYONE IF THEY ARE MILITARY KNP HAVE TO DO THAT JOB AND MILITARY POLICE CANNOT TAKE CIVILIANS BACK TO THE BASE


 * That's an irrelevant technicality, since they patrol together. I don't see why you deleted the whole section though, since civilians getting busted definitely happens: see eg. . (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:09, 7 November 2008 (EST)


 * I edited it to be correct, it is far more than an irrelevant technicality. Only the KNP are authorized to even ask you for ID, though the MP's normally will as most people just show their ID and they walk away.  You would not be taken to the base, normally just to the local KNP station why they check your immigration status, though MP can just radio back and check your SSN.

Airport
User:(WT-en) Paula seems to want to move the Incheon airport info into the Incheon city article. I don't think this makes any sense, since Incheon the city is quite far from Incheon the airport. There is a Yeongjong Island article, which covers the place where the airport is actually located, but if we take the airport info out from Seoul people will have a hard time finding it. I thus suggest that...


 * Basic info on the airport (facilities etc) and details for getting from Incheon Airport to Seoul stays in Seoul.
 * Info on getting from Incheon Airport to Incheon the city goes in Incheon.
 * Hotels and attractions near the airport stay in Yeongjong Island.

Discuss. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:05, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Districting, take two
I've taken the liberty of reverting Joggingman08's unilateral districting of the city; this doesn't mean I oppose it, but it does mean I think he was way too hasty in implementing it, since there was no discussion at all! The proposed list is:


 * Jongno-gu
 * Gangnam-gu
 * Gwangjin-gu
 * Yeoui-do
 * Hongdae
 * Sinchon
 * Dongdaemun-gu
 * Yongsan-gu
 * Songpa-gu
 * Jung-gu

My first comments:
 * 1) Drop the "-gu", they serve absolutely no purpose and we don't use them for Japanese/Chinese city districts either.  Just "Gangnam", "Yongsan" etc should do fine.  Yeouido, though, should keep the -do and we don't need the hyphen for it either.
 * 2) Hongdae and Sinchon could easily make a single district.
 * 3) All Seoul gu have to be slotted into Wikivoyage districts, so we should use more generic names for suburban grab-bag districts.
 * 4) We really need a map of Seoul that illustrates how the entire city is split, can you sketch them out on Image:Map_Seoul_districts_de.png? (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:37, 10 August 2009 (EDT)


 * I have once again removed the links. This needs to be done properly or not at all. (WT-en) Jpatokal 20:54, 29 January 2010 (EST)


 * The following districts have been created, and they are the only pages left that have been orphaned:


 * Seoul/Gangnam-gu
 * Seoul/Gwangjin-gu
 * Seoul/Jung-gu
 * Seoul/Songpa-gu
 * Seoul/Yeoui-do

What to do with them? Merge the information into the main Seoul article, or make these the basis of a new district hierarchy? --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:08, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

Subway-part
How recent is the section about buying tickets? I've only seen electronic touchscreen-machines this far... Time to update section?


 * One of the main points of wikivoyage is the abilty to constantly and timely update information, so by all means, be assertive and Plunge Forward! --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 10:34, 16 October 2009 (EDT)

Angry Korean Men
I've lived here for 9 years, and never once have seen or heard of anything like this section describes. I suggest completely removing it. 121.162.45.7 04:53, 7 November 2009 (EST)

Lead image
It strikes me as odd to lead the article with an image of the Namdaemun Gate, which today is still a burnt-out wreck and won't be fully restored for over two years. Is there another iconic Seoul sight that could be swapped in, at least until 2013? — (WT-en) D. Guillaime 20:06, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

Seoul/Itaewon
I found this page listed as simply Itaewon. I moved it to Seoul/Itaewon not because that's necessarily where it should go, but because it probably needs to be merged here. (WT-en) Texugo 09:02, 5 September 2010 (EDT)