Talk:Salsa dancing in Latin America

Is this current?
The article has "Unless otherwise stated, this information is valid for the year of 2006." and the history shows few substantive edits that are at all recent.

Can it be brought up to date? If not, should it be deleted? Pashley (talk) 07:10, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm wondering if another step could be taken, which would be to post an infobox stating that this is an outdated article, currently maintained as an archive, and could someone please update it? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:32, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. Pashley (talk) 18:17, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I put in an infobox. Pashley (talk) 09:17, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

It has been updated now. Thoroughly. Ground Zero (talk) 03:12, 8 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm beginning to actually like it now, despite the VfD. Selfie City (talk) 15:28, 8 June 2018 (UTC)


 * So withdraw your Vfd nomination. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:59, 9 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Do you mean by archiving it? Selfie City (talk) 19:20, 9 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I mean crossing out your "support" vote and stating that you no longer support deleting the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:48, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Picture
User:Ground Zero, are there any other dancing pictures you can use? That one is border-line appropriate. Selfie City (talk) 19:20, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that is the best one available from the Commons - there are a lot of bad pictures there. I don't think there is a problem with it - it is used in the Wikipedia article on Salsa, Latin America and Cali, and I don't see complaints there. Salsa is a sensual dance, so you can expect to see some skin. If any other prudes editors object to it, we can remove it. ;-) Ground Zero (talk) 19:40, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Salsa dancing in Latin America
I like Latin-American music and it would be nice to have Latin music itineraries on Wikivoyage, but this existing itinerary needs to be deleted for these reasons: first, the information in this article is quite likely out of date; the article says so. Even though there have been changes to the article over the last few years, these edits have not been major expansions or important changes. In fact, the only major edits (500+ bytes in change) after 2011 were vandal-related. Second, salsa dancing is an extremely wide topic that is not really practical or possible to cover in one article. And third, you can dance at home or at a lot of Latin American restaurants and bars, so why would you need to go to a salsa dancing club as a tourist anyway? And this article currently has only a few listings in each country and even these are not formatted properly. Fourth, it makes more sense for dancing club listings to go in their city articles than for a few of them to be put onto one page Keep. Selfie City (talk) 23:20, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Valid topic, and the article contains useful information for someone planning a trip where they want to go salsa dancing. If it's out of date, that problem can be solved by updating it, not deleting it. Like with golfing in Thailand, just because you're not interested in salsa dancing clubs doesn't mean that it shouldn't be covered on Wikivoyage. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:39, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep many tourists go to Latin America with a specific interest to go to salsa dancing clubs. The lack of editing activity is unfortunate but never a reason for deletion. Maybe Latin America (1.5 continents) is a bit broad and salsa dancing by country articles would be better but the guide isn't long enough to split it into countries yet. Gizza ( roam ) 23:53, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - we have a lot of articles with obsolete information. We just have to keep building the project to attract more editors do that articles are updated more frequently. In editing Southeastern_Kansas, I was updating or removing information on festivals from 2006. I don't think we would delete Southeastern_Kansas for that. Ground Zero (talk) 00:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep per others. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: Here's the thing, though: this couldn't really be expanded to what it needs to be. What if we had a travel topic that listed restaurants? How long would it be? Selfie City (talk) 00:53, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * You may be right. Should we instead suggest cities or regions that are best for salsa dancing, or are there particularly famous clubs that we should favor with a mention? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:55, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Perhaps both Salsa dancing and Gestures could be restructured and reformatted so they would be more useful, but that would take a lot of work. Perhaps we should do more descriptions on this article instead of listings, but it still seems that this article's general topic is incompatible with Wikivoyage's goals and possibilities considering the number of active editors we have. Selfie City (talk) 14:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Why? If the problem is that there are way too many nightclubs that have salsa dancing, why is covering which cities or neighborhoods have the most active salsa club scene beyond the scope of Wikivoyage? By the way, are there also too many salsa dancing schools to cover some particularly good ones? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:59, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * It's like having a travel topic about restaurants. Travel topics would normally cover the general topic - for example, a travel topic about Cuban music. Inside that would be a section about dancing. At least to me, it makes more sense to have Salsa music as the topic instead of Salsa dancing. Selfie City (talk) 18:23, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I've added some background from the Wikipedia article, and updated some of the listings to demonstrate what this article can be with a little effort. Ground Zero (talk) 18:54, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, that definitely looks better, but it's still not nearly enough information. Selfie City (talk) 19:06, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Is "not enough information to be a good article" a topic for Vfd? No. This board is solely about deleting articles, not the fact that they should have more information. I think you should concede the point that there should be a discussion on the article's talk page about the direction of the article and steps that should be taken to develop it, and not a Vfd nomination. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:24, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * We could definitely discuss this on the article's talk page - that is, if the article really can be developed. Selfie City (talk) 20:46, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The article is no longer out of date. It has been expanded with more description of salsa and its regional variations. It's not the same article that was nominated. If anyone wants to make more improprieties, please go ahead. Ground Zero (talk) 02:59, 8 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Ground Zero: thanks for the work you've done on improving this. If there were perhaps a couple pictures to color the page a little, I'd definitely say this should be a speedy keep because it's going from being a poor article to a good one. Selfie City (talk) 14:31, 9 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Then it's a speedy keep now, because the lack of thumbnails on a page is never a reason for an article to be deleted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:35, 9 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Problem solved, I've added a thumbnail. Selfie City (talk) 16:03, 9 June 2018 (UTC)


 * "What if we had a travel topic that listed restaurants? How long would it be?" We have thousands of travel topics that list restaurants - they're called City pages. Restaurants are listed under "Eat". Thus, I don't see what your point is here. --Robkelk (talk) 15:35, 17 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - per others. --Robkelk (talk) 15:35, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I think there could be a better way of denoting the various ways to enjoy salsa (places to watch great salsa dancers/shows vs special events vs tourist-oriented venues for trying/learning salsa), but these are all travel-oriented. Hopefully, at least some of the listings are also being added to the city articles if they're not already there. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 12:52, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep — article topic is relevant for travelers, and a basic outline is already in place. It only needs further expansion. ArticCynda (talk) 09:58, 19 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Outcome - keep. Selfie City (talk) 18:01, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Capitalize or not?
I don't tend to think of music or dance styles as proper names, so I'd use lowercase for "ballet," "jazz," "waltz," and so forth and also "salsa." Am I right? The word seems to be capitalized consistently, or at least several times (I didn't read through the whole thing carefully) in this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:42, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You're right. Names of dance styles are not proper nouns.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:42, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they should be decapitalized. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 20:59, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Decapitalized. Please edit further if I missed any or went too far. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Travel topic listing details
Per Travel topic article template,
 * "If you add listings to specific venues, the full listing should go to a destination article. The listing in the travel topic article should describe the venue in the context of the topic, to help the reader to know whether they are interested. Details, such as street addresses, prices and phone numbers, should be omitted from the travel topic article. Instead link the full listing, or the section or article containing it."

The listings details should be removed from the article, ensuring that they are in the city articles. Please don't add any more. Ground Zero (talk) 04:17, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Confused origin
The article now says "Salsa [...] originated in the Caribbean. [...] The dance [...] originated in the mid-1970s in New York." It seems the history of the dance is a bit convoluted, but the wording has to be tweaked to make sense. –LPfi (talk) 10:13, 21 October 2023 (UTC)