Talk:Saint Petersburg

General
I moved this page to have a disambiguator. I realize that the Russian city is much larger and well-known than the Floridian one, but I figured if we needed a disclaimer at the beginning of the page, it was worth putting a full disambiguation page in.

I didn't know the next-higher region to use for the disambiguator. When we get Russia's geographical hierarchy straightened out, it may make sense to move this article again. --(WT-en) Evan 12:47, 27 Jul 2004 (EDT)


 * I couldn't trace down how this got moved, but I moved it back. Is there a conversation I missed? It seems like this city is not sufficiently more famous than Saint Petersburg (Florida) to justify dropping the disambiguator. --(WT-en) Evan 10:22, 27 July 2006 (EDT)


 * Also: I was going to change all the links here, but I realized it's probably good to let the discussion go for a while before doing that. --(WT-en) Evan 10:26, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Years later, this has been moved back per discussion at Talk:Saint_Petersburg_(disambiguation). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:27, 23 February 2010 (EST)

Getting into the Hermitage
I think the advice in the Getting into the Hermitage box is a good one, but I was there last week and I found it simpler than what the box suggests. After talking to other people that had been there before I have the feeling that things might have changed since that was written.

In my case it was like this: in the archway that connects the Palace Square with the inner yard there's a door on the right that says "Tours Office" (in English). I went inside, there were two windows and another door. I opened that door and asked for tours in English. They told me (in good English) the time for the next tour, and I bought the ticket right there. It was 400 rubles for the entrance plus 200 for the tour itself. The photography fee was not included.--(WT-en) Pendulum 15:51, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

Stay safe section
The STAY SAFE part is to be revised, please! There are typical precautions for every big city (5 mil+) and these do not ESPECIALLY refer to "wild" Russia.

Hi! (Privet!) I'm not rigistered yet, but made some edits to article. Please check it, cause my Enklish is not good. I'm live in St Petersburg so if you want to know something about living there please write to schfuchs@gmail.com. Good luck! (Udachi!)

Connections
The Sibelius and Repin trains from Helsinki terminating in St. Petersburg will switch back to using the Finland station in September 2006. The Tolstoi train from Helsinki via St. Petersburg to Moscow will presumably not be affected. http://www.vr.fi/heo/eng/ita/faikataulut.htm http://www.vr.fi/heo/ita/faikataulut.htm

Article's status
Although some sections are incomplete, in my recent trip to St. Petersburg, I found this guide very useful. I didn't need any other guide. Is it still so small it has to be an outline? I mean, all the important sections have lots of info, I think it should be changed to 'usable'. Anyone have any objections?(WT-en) EmbrunOntario 15:57, 26 July 2006 (EDT)


 * The status criteria for city/town/village articles can be found at Project:City guide status. It's not unusual for an article to be improved enough to qualify for a higher status, so if you see one that meets the criteria (and this one does), plunge forward and upgrade it.  Note that when you get above "outline", the tag gets more specific about what kind of article it is: in this case it would be  or (with a little clean-up and more contact info in the listings)  . - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 17:37, 26 July 2006 (EDT)


 * Note that I wasn't encouraging you to mess with the article title. This can be discussed (if you don't mind) on Talk:St. Petersburg (disambiguation) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 09:15, 27 July 2006 (EDT)


 * I've been contributing to this article for a while, and I'd like to pick up where this discussion previously left off - there's plenty of information on St. Pete and no reason it can't at least make it to Guide status soon. In my estimation, here are the tasks I see remaining before this article becomes a Guide:
 * Reformat layout so that text does not scroll off the screen (DONE - another user did this last week by removing the text boxes regarding bus travel; I think it is an improvement, and the current layout is much easier on the eye ... and on the printer)
 * Get In: shorten by moving visa/immigration information to the country-level article where it is more appropriate (DONE - I did this today)
 * Get Around: provide a link to the bridge schedule, if available
 * See: Two years on, this section still should have more contact info and should use the standard listing format for each element  * .  Also recent confirmation of the Hermitage tips in the text box would be nice.
 * Do: I'd like to revamp this section. For starters, I think the Mariinsky Theater's name can stand alone without such a wordy explanation, although tips like theatergoing with children have value.  Likewise, movie viewing tips can be consolidated.  I propose subdividing this section with three subheadings (1-Opera/Ballet/Symphony, 2-Movie Theaters, 3-Canal Boats) with a few listings for each, in standard listing format - after all, the Mariinsky is not the only worthwhile theater in town, but music is certainly one of the highlights of any visit to St. Pete.  I could probably also scrounge up some info on canal boat tours in English.
 * Learn: can also be reformatted for standard listings, and there are a couple others I can add. (DONE - and thanks to those who started the reformatting, too. I removed http://www.encspb.ru/en/ since it didn't really fit there within Wiki guidelines, but the site does have some interesting info.)
 * Work: Finding work here - and especially work permission - is not easy. Can anyone provide information, or can we plunge forward to Guide status without this section?
 * Eat: Listings could stand to be converted to standard listing format, and I wonder if there's any interest in pulling out vegetarian restaurants into a subheading of their own?
 * Drink: Nightclubs don't have the standard listing, but the article can survive with or without for the moment, I'd say.
 * Sleep: Mostly in good shape, a few listings could be reformatted, and I'm surprised no one has listed the Astoria/Angleterre on St. Isaac's Square.
 * Contact: In addition to the text that's there, I propose listings for some internet cafes. St Pete seems to be underserved in this field, compared to other European cities its size, so knowing where the handful of cafes are would be nice.  (DONE - I added 4 listings recently, Oct09)
 * Stay Safe: There's quite a lot of text here already - much of which is already under discussion - but I notice some other articles are helpful in listing hospitals and clinics foreigners commonly use; I could add some listings here. (DONE - I added 4 listings recently, Oct09)
 * Any reactions to the above, or any other projects to take on before making this article a Guide? --(WT-en) Andrewsyria 04:54, 6 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Well, this is absolutely fantastic work you're doing&mdash;the article was really messy from a formatting perspective, last time I looked at it.


 * In response to several of your comments: 1) I don't think there's any Piter-specific info for work that doesn't just duplicate what is/should be written in the Russia article. 2) Internet cafes are/were really important for travel here, and I remember there were a few cafes on Nevsky back in 2003 opening up with free wifi. 3) Regarding get around info, we've got a ton of Russian language content on this that I'll try and bring over here. 4) Hospital listings would be really useful; I can take a crack at the prose&mdash;I know a fair amount about security issues here (hopefully not outdated, from 2003-4).


 * I lived here for a while, and it's probably my favorite place on Earth, so I'm a bit persnickety on some issues. Before I'd be ok with calling this a guide-level article, we'd need: 1) a more robust drink section; it's not possible for this to be a guide article without, for example, the Stray Dog. 2) Way more eat listings. Petersburg is a great city for foodies and our current coverage is but spittle in the ocean. There should be at least three Uzbek places I can think of, some great Chinese, endless sushi options&mdash;I'll at least make a point to add several more really good splurge options. (I hope my places haven't closed, though&mdash;I was devastated to hear about my beloved Wooden Pub from 2003!) In general, I'll try and take a closer look at this article over the next week or so, and see what I can help out with via research (and digging through memories). But in short, it's not so much the quality of current content that seems to me a problem, but rather the lack of very significant bits of content.


 * Lastly, we've got a bunch of work going on for this article on the Russian version. When there's enough info there for each of the districts referenced below, I'm planning to translate the content wholesale and districtify this article, and add detailed Wikivoyage street maps. That will probably result in another status change! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:14, 22 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Wanted to add: this site is a great resource for research, if you read Russian. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:17, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

Looking at this more, I'm convinced there's just way too much information missing to call this at guide status. A visitor could use this guide and have a great time, no doubt, but there's such an incredible wealth of things to see in this city, and far too few are listed here. Once we get down to the candy colored Church by the Stalinist monument to the Blockade, then I think we'll be approaching guide status. I don't really think we will until we've developed a good 6 usable district articles. On the upside, a lot of work is also going on on the Russian version, from which I'll eventually translate a lot of good material. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:23, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

different from Western world -- StPete or Russia?
Any objections against moving this to Russia?
 * Be warned that, if you are used to living in the US and/or western Europe, Saint Petersburg, as well as the rest of Eastern Europe, will seem very different,and, at times, a bit intimidating.

What is so specific about StPete here that doesn't apply to the rest of Russia? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:57, 24 November 2006 (EST)

Stay Safe section
Judging from a local's point of view, present StaySafe section in present condition extremely dramatizes the real situation. Every fear rumored through a newspaper and every small incident happened once in a decade became like "Always Happen Everywhere Like This, Even More Dramatic Than I Say". I wonder is there anyone watching for this article who supports the current level of dramatization? If I won't hear anything in a week, will try to find few local enthusiasts to make it closer to reality--not sure I have enough time (and energy to argue) alone. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 18:12, 24 November 2006 (EST)


 * Totally agree. "Stay Safe" and "Stay Healthy" section do NOT describe the real situation. Should I mutilate Copenhagen's "Copenhagen remains one of the safest cities in the world" ([]) after some guy tried to rob me near the railway station? No, because it IS typical that one can be robbed. Tourist should take TYPICAL precautions for a BIG city.
 * Yes, police is a problem sometimes, so one should always cary a photocopy of passport(the original is to be kept in the hotel's safe locker). Yes, stay away from Romany people(Gypsies). Yes, watch your pockets -- like everywhere else. Drinking water from the tap is not a good idea, but brushing teeth is bloody okay.
 * Not a great advice, any copy of ID not valid, even marked with notary stamp, but fortunately most of policemans do not aware of that. You should decide what you afraid of more: ID theft or detention. If you are caucasian and good dressed it is very unlikely that you will be asked for ID, so it's better to left it in hotel. If you are dark-skinned, mid-East, asian or just look asocial, I think it's better to keep your ID with you. ID check problem is overstated, I have not beed asked to show ID for years. About water: do not afraid to get intestinal disorder through water, in Petersburg it's heavily disinfected with chemicals and may be contaminated with metals because of bad conduit, so it may be harmful only if you drink this water for years. I may answer questions about Petersburg or Russia in general with citizen pov, feel free to pm me. --Swift.Hg (talk) 00:58, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Forgot to wrote: if your age is near 20 you may be detained in spring and fall by police or militray forces because of conscription. Sometimes they do not care about your ID, they may just seize you and detain. It do not look like a big problem for foreigners, but if you do not have any ID at all, it may be troublesome. --Swift.Hg (talk) 01:34, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I changed the warning to watch out for street children and Gypsies in this section because it unfairly singled out Gypsies as being criminals. It now says only to watch out for street children. I only wish I could remove the anti-Gypsy slander in the above secion on this Talk page. What is with people that they have to continue the centuries-long demonizaztion of the Romani? User: Spiff666 --198.175.249.10 12:03, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

That's really a very interesting article. Probably I should write a guide on London about the dangers of ethnic criminals, constant fer of muslim terrorist, which are numerous in London, ugly women everywhere and the worst food in the world for pretty solid money. What's really interesting is that the high murder rate does not have anything to do with street crime and "gangs".

Suburbs
I think there's a confusion over the term "suburb" in this article. Suburb is a term used to describe an area adjacent to a city, while no being a part of it. Yet, there's a picture of a street with a clear view of St. Isaac's in the background, that is described as a "suburb". Clearly this is not Sestroretsk. I think that whole portion of the article needs to be re-written.

Stay Safe-pedestrians
I took liberty to revert an edit by 88.88.54.165: --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 06:06, 23 June 2007 (EDT)
 * I believe pedestrian traffic lights info is important for a traveller
 * I didn't find it much useful to say it's just the same as in Eastern Europe and Balkans--any objections?


 * Agreed. Russian drivers are way more aggressive than anything I've seen in E. Europe. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:18, 23 June 2007 (EDT)


 * I found the drivers in Piter almost comically aggressive towards pedestrians. If you try to cross a larger street against a light, drivers will actually rev their engines and aim at you! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:22, 24 June 2007 (EDT)


 * Comical from the driver's seat, perhaps, less so on the receiving end. There also seemed to be a distinct positive correlation between aggressiveness and the expensiveness of the car. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:18, 24 June 2007 (EDT)


 * It's funny, but sometimes they just take care of you, because on broad road you may be hitted at next lane by driver who don't see you and don't give a shit why car at adjacent lane suddenly stopped. Be careful at roads.--Swift.Hg (talk) 01:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Eat
I removed the McDonalds and KFC mentions from this section. I don't think it's appropriate to have multinational junkfood companies on a tourist guide to a Russian city. --HJV
 * I tend to agree, but I'm trying to remember--does McDonalds have free public restrooms in Piter? If so, we should probably put their locations back in for precisely that purpose. Pizza Hut, on the other hand, does better pizza than anywhere I visited in the city (although it's still woefully inadequate) and should stay in the article unless we can come up with better ones. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:45, 25 July 2007 (EDT)


 * As it was, the article didn't have any addresses, making the listings particularly useless... (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:59, 25 July 2007 (EDT)


 * Good point. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:02, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

CoTW
Why is Saint Petersburg still the CoTW? It should have changed about 3 weeks ago. (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 07:37, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

Districts
We are districtifying the Saint Petersburg article on the Russian version, and I thought people might like to see the region breakdown here as well, in case we decide to eventually districtify the English version (which will probably make sense once we have a good base to translate from Russian). We are excluding sections of the Federal District considered suburban towns/cities, which will instead be linked from Saint Petersburg (district).

--(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:31, 7 March 2008 (EST)


 * I have renamed Vyborg Side to North Saint Petersburg in ru:Санкт-Петербург in order to a readers has been mix up with Vyborg Side (historic area more smaller then defined on a map) -- (WT-en) Sergey kudryavtsev 05:57, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Would anyone object if I go ahead and districtify this article? Despite the fact that we don't have a ton of content (outside of "see") yet? I think I would merge North & Right Bank for the time being, as I'm not sure I could really fill a Right Bank article well. I ask because I'm tempted to finally start working on really turning this into a great guide, and prefer to break things down into more manageable chunks when working on them. We also have a ton of content on the Russian version that I could translate, including district maps. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:04, 23 February 2010 (EST)


 * Peter, and what about our recommendations on when to districtify? ;-) Maybe we could start with filling with enough content and splitting it into subsections within a single article? BTW, as I could see in a minute, Russian version has much content only on See and, for downtown, on Sleep--but otherwise it doesn't add much: every Buy and Eat is merely a list of chain eateries or malls (both of them are quite disputable to list as we saw recently in WT:Listings discussions).


 * But I would definitely be happy to see the article grow significantly. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 00:24, 24 February 2010 (EST)

Forgotten CotW
Here's the CotW suggestions, which kind of got lost in the morass that was the CotW before it was the CotM:


 * Saint Petersburg (Russia) - huge tourist destination and the largest city in northeastern Europe by far, which is way too light on information, but easy to research --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 23:14, 4 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Lots of MoS clean up
 * Lots of famous and less famous sights missing
 * Copy-edit as much of its content was written by non-native speakers
 * Do section is empty, but easy to research&mdash;the city has a world-class performing arts scene
 * As a city of 5 million, it might be a good idea to come up with a way to split the city into districts
 * Eat section needs a lot of work&mdash;there is a lot of good eating in this city
 * Understand section is very underdeveloped
 * It may be hard to acquire source material compatible with the copyleft, but a city map would be great; a hermitage map would be a big plus as well. If anyone could find suitable source material, I would be glad to do the map myself
 * Here is the official web city guide, with lots of info to mine

--(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:20, 5 September 2008 (EDT)


 * Here is a Saint Petersburg yellow pages directory. It can help you to find a contact information.

And one practical advice to a en-contributors: When i was develop Sleep section ru-article, i found many substitution sites of big hotels  (i.e. non official site ownered by booking agencies) maked professionally and high ranked in search engines. It was very difficult to determinate where official and where non official site. Be very careful with hotels sites. -- (WT-en) Sergey kudryavtsev 02:52, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Deletion
Hi. I deleted this-



As I could not find any info on it in Russian or English. If anybody does know of it, please write a listing for it. Thanks. --(WT-en) MarinaK 15:32, 8 October 2008 (EDT)MarinaK.


 * Few mentions I found in blogs, if you read Russian:, , . Plus a review found via Google Maps: . I think these opinions make it worth restoring. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:58, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I searched with Yandex Blogs first--it gave me blog entries mentioned above. And then checked Yandex web search and Google--both gives at least tons of reselling agencies. And how have you searched for info on it? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:08, 8 October 2008 (EDT)


 * SPb Yellow Pages list it: (on Russian) with same contacts.
 * PS: I don't have personal opinion about it. -- (WT-en) Sergey kudryavtsev 08:31, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

I've undeleted the original listing in the article. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 03:06, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

I stayed in this hostel in July this year, and I thought it was pretty good. Couple of minutes walk off Nevsky Prospekt, and located above a pub. It should definitely be included here.--(WT-en) CoastOfYemen 07:16, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

I should also say that I stayed in Nordhostel. The only good thing about this place is the location. The access door is hard to find, I wasn't told the number to unlock the door at night, and my mattress was crawling with bedbugs. It's also not the cheapest. --(WT-en) CoastOfYemen 07:22, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

Center?
When locals or UNESCO say "the center", they mean not just the area to the south of the Neva, but something like this. It is certainly not limited to the southern bank. The name of the district is somewhat misleading as it may make the reader believe that Vasilievsky Island and Petrograd Side don't belong to the center. Another issue is that the center as defined here is just too big to be manageable. It would be better to split it into two parts divided by the Fontanka. Hiker (talk) 14:28, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. В.О. and П.С. are very separate entities, and only their small parts can be considered as "city center". Regarding further subdivision into smaller districts, yes, the Center is very big and diverse. It could be split into many different parts, but that's the plan for the future when we have enough information. --Alexander (talk) 15:29, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Nobody disputes that they are separate. But "the center" as defined here includes huge swaths that are no more central than most of VI and PS, thus the name is a misnomer. Hiker (talk) 16:31, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * While not a perfect name, it at least reflects how people use names. "Central Saint Petersburg" is no more accurate a descriptor (actually, it gives me the impression more of the area on the map you linked), but it also has the disadvantage of not being a name anyone actually uses. Russian Wikivoyage also uses Center (Центр). Fortunately, we have a map that should take care of any confusion! Speaking of which, I'll translate the map.
 * Regarding a split using the Fontanka, that's something I essentially did with the maps. I wouldn't object to creating two districts out of the current "Center" article, but what would we call them? --Peter Talk 17:03, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I would object. This border looks fine on the map, but it has nothing to do with architecture, transport, etc. The whole western part is basically an area of residential buildings, no matter whether you are above or below the Fontanka river. On the eastern side, the area of Smolny Cathedral has nothing to do with Vladimirskaya-Vitebsky train station. We generally need more than two sub-districts here. But this discussion is premature because we do not have even a single usable article about the Center. --Alexander (talk) 17:27, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * yes we have!! :P 200.252.135.73 18:06, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * "Central Saint Petersburg" is of course no better than just "the Center" in this respect and quite possibly worse generally, that name was borrowed from . "The Center" is used IRL, but the problem is that it pretty much never refers to this area as a whole, excluding V.I. and P.S, but including everything between the Neva and the Obvodny Canal. I am not sure what map you are talking about, I am afaid that a map can clear confusion only for those who are already familiar with the city. If some casual reader sees that a certain area is designated center, he will probably assume that it is the center, which is currently not quite the case. The yellow area includes a small part that is arguably the most central in some sense, but otherwise it is no more central than some other districts. Should we put the boundaries of the protected cityscape on the map to clarify this? The problem is that they are currently being reviewed, as far as I know. Hiker (talk) 18:09, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I guess that while I see your point about the name being a little misleading, I don't think it is much of a problem. If a traveler is at the Strelka and asks a taxi driver to take him back to the "Center," the driver would take him back over the bridge. If a reader is familiar with the city and expects "Center" to mean something other than what we mean, the map (of the districts) will make our definition clear. --Peter Talk 18:47, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Peter's info is old
I added this in an edit summary regarding edits to "eat," but it probably bears repeating here:


 * My knowledge is 10 years old, and probably needs updating. Also, this needs some examples of high-end restaurants for Russian cuisine.

That's less of a problem for my edits to "see," since sights don't change as much. But it would be most desirable for a current resident/recent tourist to look over and edit the eat section. --Peter Talk 22:14, 22 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, your info is dated. Shawerma is abundant in every Russian city, although it is more and more known under the international nane "doner", which is supposed to remove bad connotations about rats... SPb has got at least two new chain eateries: SPb (inexpensive pubs) and Brynza (cheburechnaya, although it is not a genuine cheburechnaya from USSR times).
 * What should we do with all these chain eateries? List them in the main article and leave individual addresses/hours to districts? --Alexander (talk) 22:32, 22 February 2013 (UTC)


 * We can list them in the main article if they're really notable. Otherwise we can leave them out of the main article and put them directly into the district articles, with a short description followed by indented bullets that have only the address/contact details. See "Harold's Chicken Shack" here for an example (which is repeated in many other Chicago district articles). --Peter Talk 18:40, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Page banners
I am sorry to say that all district banners are very bleak. In my opinion, they need to be improved or replaced with the default image. --Alexander (talk) 20:44, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree. One of the world's most beautiful cities should only have beautiful banners (at least for the more central districts). I added new ones to Vasilievsky Island and Petrograd Side, and added one to the South. Here are my ideas for the Central district—I have already put one in, but it would be nice to hear other opinions, since I don't feel strongly about one over the other.




 * I've been a little disappointed with the choices on Commons, but this is the best I could do ;) I'll keep looking for banners for the North and for the Right Bank, but if anyone has suggestions, please mention them. --Peter Talk 18:03, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, found a good one for Saint Petersburg/North, but still need something for the Right Bank. --Peter Talk 18:21, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * And now the Right Bank has one too, so they are all "done." I also considered making one from this photo of the Ice Palace, but I think the Nienschantz Memorial has more character. --Peter Talk 18:36, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Peter! Not all of the banner are catchy, but in general I like them. I also support your choice for the Central district. --Alexander (talk) 23:09, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Districts of Spb's Center (2014)
Since discussion of districtifying center of Spb has been suggested, I'd come with my variant here. I think that this will be heavily for discussion, and probably it could be easier just divide center in ensembles, which would lead to less disambiguities, but number of districts will be too high in the case. And fair warning: districts names is much for discussion, I don't think that mine are good ones:
 * Inner Center - most touristic one. Every tourist, and every basic excursion over the city as a must will traverse most of it. Borders: Fontanka east of Letnii Sad - Moika (including Ingenerniy Zamok in order not to split ensemble) - Griboedova Channel (including Spas na Krovi) - Gorohovaya st. - Kazanskaya st. - Voznesenskii avenue - Isaakievskaya sq. - Dekabristov sq. (including all the buildings on the west border of last 2 squares)
 * Kolomna. Probably a bit too stretched definition. Borders Inner Center on it's west border until Gorohovaya st., then Gorohovaya st. and Fontanka all the way to the west. It's for discussion, if we include Port and docks there, may be it should be a separate region or mention. Also district is large, may be it can be splitted. It's a nice place with Nikolskii Cathedral as a natural center.
 * Around Gostinyi dvor. Borders Inner Center, Kolomna and Fontanka, includes Gostinyi dvor, Iskusstv sq., Alexandrovskii Theatre, Apraksin dvor.
 * Tauride Garden, Smolnii and vicinity. Fontanka - Belinskogo - Liteynii - Zhukovskogo - Radischeva - Nekrasova - 8th Sovetskaya - Suvorosvkiy - Moiseenko. Entire start of Ligovskiy will go to next district.
 * Around Vosstaniya square. Borders previous district - Fontanka - Borodinskaya - Zvenigorodskaya - Obvodnii channel. A bit large, probably, especially with large part of Nevskii prospekt and "Old Nevskii prospekt". Also I wanted to somehow include Marata-Ligovskii in one district, because it has it's own history. Size is up for discussion though.
 * Beyond Fontanka. Another may be not so fitting name. Fontanka - Borodinskaya - Zvenigorodskaya - Obvodnii - all the way to the west. Arguably less litted with sights, but architecture is still old and venerable. Somewhat lacking a single center, having Vitebsky Train Station, Baltiiskii Train Station and Saint-Troiskiy Izmailovskii Cathedral. SakuraKojima (talk) 19:49, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Same problem as the Moscow article(s). Don't expect much input here, and don't expect that anyone comes and draws a map, which is crucial for explaining the reader what your districts are. They are again a nice suggestion, but I would put it on hold until we see all attractions on the same map. --Alexander (talk) 21:32, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe six districts is a lot, and the 'map thing', you have right, but about "input" you said... I will take it, if it has enough info (at least in Russian version) - - Globetrotter19 (talk) 12:22, 14 March 2014 (UTC)