Talk:São Paulo (state)

Extra cities
I removed these from the main page's cities list to get it down to 9: (WT-en) Texugo 08:44, 24 January 2011 (EST)
 * Holambra - Near Campinas, a city of Dutch colonization and greater producer in Brazil of flowers. At the end of winter every year, there is the "Expoflora", an exhibition of flowers and typical Dutch dances and presentations.
 * Ilhabela - A beach city, with some of the most beautiful beaches in the state.
 * Barretos - Known by the rodeo, with large farms and the greatest rodeo of the world.
 * Ribeirão Preto - Sometimes nicknamed "The Brazilian California". It's the third largest city in the state, after Campinas and São Paulo City.
 * São Caetano do Sul - Close to São Paulo City, it's the Brazilian city with the highest standard of living.

about the cities list
I wouldn´t keep Holambra or Barretos or Ilhabela or Ubatuba or Maresias out of the main list for the benefit of Osasco or Campinas or SJC, which are important economically but not so much as far as the traveller is concerned. Texugo understands Portuguese and seems to have been to Brazil already. I bet he wouldn´t disagree. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 200.252.135.221 (talk • contribs)
 * I pulled Barretos and Ilhabela out because we need the list down to 9, and those don't have articles at all yet. I agree that Ubatuba and some of the others need to be substituted in for Osasco, etc. I thought I would first see what we have and don't have articles for and try to organize a bit before tackling that though. See below:
 * (WT-en) Texugo 09:38, 24 January 2011 (EST)

Cities
In an attempt to clean up and organize, I am using this as a workspace to figure out what we have and don't have in SP: (WT-en) Texugo 09:38, 24 January 2011 (EST)

The following list is now loosely organized by region. This is not necessarily a proposal to regionify the state as of yet, just an intermediary step in that direction.(WT-en) Texugo 11:11, 24 January 2011 (EST)


 * Campinas area
 * Campinas
 * Holambra
 * Indaiatuba
 * Jundiaí
 * Mogi-Mirim


 * Central
 * Araraquara
 * Ibaté
 * São Carlos


 * North
 * Barretos
 * Caconde
 * Franca
 * Ribeirão Preto
 * Taquaritinga


 * Northwest
 * Fernandópolis
 * São José do Rio Preto


 * Sorocaba area
 * Itu
 * São Roque
 * Sorocaba


 * West
 * Bauru
 * Presidente Prudente


 * Piraíba Valley
 * Campos do Jordão
 * Cunha
 * Guaratinguetá
 * Pindamonhangaba
 * São José dos Campos
 * Taubaté


 * Greater São Paulo
 * ABCD: Santo André -São Bernardo do Campo - São Caetano do Sul - Diadema
 * Embu das Artes
 * Guarulhos
 * Itaquequecetuba
 * Mauá
 * Mogi das Cruzes
 * Osasco
 * Suzano


 * Paulista Coast
 * Bertioga
 * Camburi
 * Cananéia
 * Caraguatatuba
 * Guarujá
 * Iguape
 * Itanhaém
 * Mongaguá
 * Peruíbe
 * Praia Grande
 * Santos
 * São Sebastião
 * Ubatuba

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Reference
An excellent map for reference of Grande São Paulo can be found here. (WT-en) Texugo 09:49, 25 January 2011 (EST)

New region proposal
(copied from pt:Discussão:São Paulo (estado)) I thought I would put this here too, since we tend to share map files across language versions. A new proposal to regionify the state-- I based it on governmental meso-regions, combining them in twos or threes to create nine regions that basically conform to the results of a discussion on pt:. With SP, it has been notoriously difficult to arrive at 7+-2 regions, and I think this is the best scheme we've hit upon so far, so I thought I'd air it here as well for comments. What do you think? (WT-en) texugo 23:47, 13 February 2011 (EST)


 * Looks good, but do we really need that many regions? Maybe they could be merged a bit to a total of say 5 or 6 (I do not know the region well enough to suggest how)?  I have reinserted the missing cities in the article, please do not delete until we have the regional structure in place, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 17:31, 8 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Well, it is by very far the most populous state in Brazil, and almost the size of Texas. The 9 subregions arose over on pt:, where there are 249 articles started, and despite the fact that we don't have as many articles yet over here, I think it unwise to group them any further. It was a real fight just to arrive at what seems like consensus over there. (WT-en) texugo 18:00, 8 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Ok, fine with me, should we move on and create the nine regions then, it appears that no-one has had any comments for months?, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 18:13, 8 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Sounds good to me, though with my Inkscape on the fritz, I may have to kindly ask if you can make the English .png map from my .svg. (WT-en) texugo 20:02, 8 August 2011 (EDT)


 * I can, where do I find the svg?, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 02:51, 9 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Looks like I hadn't uploaded it yet since this was just a mock up. I uploaded it here. Thanks! (WT-en) texugo 09:47, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

I went ahead and created the region articles and put the map in the article (since it is at least color coded), and I've been working on bringing in articles, or at least starting to, from pt: (WT-en) texugo 13:09, 20 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Texugo, a couple of questions on the above map:
 * Why the North area is very similar, but different to the pt:w:Mesorregião de Ribeirão Preto? (I'm referring to the west border). If they would be the same, they could be connected through Wikidata and have a reciprocal link.
 * There's an alternative name to "Campinas Region"? I think that it may be easily confused with the smaller pt:w:Mesorregião de Campinas or the even smaller pt:w:Microrregião de Campinas.
 * Let me know your thoughts, -- Andyrom75 (talk) 07:05, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * About the North region, that's a very good question. The reference that was used when creating it shows the borders a little different from what WP shows. Not sure which is correct. As for the Campinas region, I know of no better way to refer to it. At any rate, I wouldn't worry too much about confusion on the traveller's part at least, since nobody here even really knows them or uses them as references anyway. I'm certainly open to suggestions for improvement though. Texugo (talk) 11:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Currently I'm working/studying just now on the Brazilian territories so I can't tell about any Campinas alternatives, and unfortunately I'm not in touch with any Brazilians to ask it.
 * Regarding the map, I would say that the wp ones are correct (administratively speaking), so if there's no touristic reason to make it different here on voy, it should be better to patch it. What do you think? -- Andyrom75 (talk) 13:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Fine with me to fix that north part to match the administrative mesoregions if you want. Do note, however, that not all our regions are based on mesoregions anyway, particularly in the southeast half of the state where the mesoregion lines do not really match the common conception of the tourist regions. Texugo (talk) 13:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've seen it, and I totally agree with it. But usually my point is: if there's no reason to make it different, let's make it equal, at least there's one criteria for the division :-) -- Andyrom75 (talk) 07:59, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Texugo, give me a whistle if & when you'll update the map so that I can also update accordingly the articles on it:voy. Thanks, -- Andyrom75 (talk) 21:11, 18 June 2014 (UTC)