Talk:Rail travel in Europe/Archive

Requests
What would be good here is a good overview of the types of trains in Europe (ICE, etc). (WT-en) Aidan 17:54, 07 Apr 2005
 * Why? Who care which train it is, as long as it goes?

A nice image of the whole european high speed rail network would be useful.

Rail travel in Europe
I was working on this article Rail travel in Europe last night and this morning can anyone (especially admins) offer advice to complete it or should I go ahead and delete the. Thanks. - (WT-en) Sapphire 00:51, 10 Apr 2005 (EDT)
 * O! How alone I am in this discussion page. I sit here staring deep into the monitor's screen pondering if this is how a moth feels around a street light. - (WT-en) Sapphire 01:21, 10 Apr 2005 (EDT)
 * Hi! Sorry we're all asleep! I'm going to move this discussion to the Talk:Rail travel in Europe page. But a good rule-of-thumb is to just Plunge forward! We trust your opinion! (WT-en) Majnoona 10:40, 10 Apr 2005 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I get really bored in the morning and just go at it until usually around 4 AM. I read (WT-en) Evan's message and will from this minute forward double check where I should put the message. - Sapphire

Tips_for_rail_travel
Whats the point of this page, compared to Tips_for_rail_travel?

Country specific content
I'm going to remove all the country-specific info from this article-- it should be an overview of rail travel in Europe, not a list of country info-- that belongs on the country page. In fact, I'm not convinced this doesn't just belong in Europe. I'm going to move stuff that I think belongs elsewhere and see if there's anything left worth keeping... (WT-en) Majnoona 09:30, 23 Nov 2005 (EST)

Legit info on Trans-Siberian Railway
Can anyone tell me if this site is for real? there is also an English version, but, I'm afraid that it may not be simply because I wreary of adding info that I have never used. Plus, I've never been to Russia so I don't know what the major rail company is.

I'm going to add this link for now since I found it on the Trans-Siberian Railway article.

vfd discussion
Copied from Project:Votes for deletion:


 * Rail travel in Europe -- Any reason why the info in this article shouldn't be part of Europe (which btw doesnt currently have much of anything in the way of rail info). (WT-en) Majnoona 09:39, 23 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Good idea - Delete. --(WT-en) Aidan 02:58, 25 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * beacuse it is a more specific page than Tips for rail travel. But you should first check out the talk-page. --145.99.202.92 06:13, 25 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * If we delete this should we delete Rail travel in North America? (WT-en) Sapphire 04:34, 30 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Keep. The North American demonstrates that such an article could be useful.  I don't think the European article is useful as is. -- (WT-en) Colin 13:45, 30 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Keep. Colin makes a good point. I'm willing to do the work that this article needs. I put a good amount of work into Rail travel in North America and I think I can make it as useful as that article. (WT-en) Sapphire 22:28, 4 Dec 2005 (EST)
 * New and Improved. Alright, before we do anything too rash I think we may want to keep this article now. I don't know why we want the Tips for rail travel after I'm finished with my crusade on the North American and EU train articles. I can easily include tips in both articles and make the Tips article kind of useless.

From VFD to masterpiece?
I think this is an excellent turn around for an article, which was once considered for deletion. Anyone else agree? Maybe we could add this to the VFD page as example of how some articles can be spared the axe? (WT-en) Sapphire 13:23, 5 April 2006 (EDT)

Maps
Should we even attempt to make a map detailing the entire continents entire rail network? (WT-en) Sapphire 17:08, 6 April 2006 (EDT)

vfd discussion

 * Since Bus travel in Israel is forbidden, this article is also not allowed. --(WT-en) Daniel575 30 May 2006
 * Childish retaliatory VFD by someone unwilling to work within consensus. Keep. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 21:06, 29 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. This one is a no-brainer, clearly consistent with Project:Other ways of seeing travel.  VfDs should be discussed on their own merits, rather than retaliatory.  -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:01, 29 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. This is a well developed article. Wait out the 14 day process before removing VFD though. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 21:07, 29 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. This article was listed here as a retaliation for the vfd of the Egged Travels article, which is definitely not a reason for deletion. -- (WT-en) Ryan 22:52, 29 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. As they say on Wikipedia, "don't disrupt wikipedia to make a point". -- (WT-en) Colin 23:12, 29 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Not a valid reason for deletion. (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 09:27, 30 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Europe is home of trains and this website is extremely useful.

Inter-Rail and Eurail?
So User:(WT-en) Pashley has proposed merging Eurail and, I presume, Inter-Rail into this article. I'm kinda "meh" &mdash; both pages are pretty big and, IMHO, large enough to stand on their own. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:24, 10 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Heartily AGREED, Jpatokal! -- i replied to Pashley on the page:
 * NO WAY. The word and idea of travelling via Eurailpass has a long history and its own imagery, which one doesn't get by the new bland article title! =(

gassing
A citation is needed for this:

In Eastern Europe and Central Europe there have been reported incidents of "gassings." This is when a thief enters a cabin and sprays a "perfume," which causes the people in the cabin to fall asleep and awake several hours later with their possessions stolen.

the only reports i have found of this seem to be friend of a friend strories i.e. urban legends.


 * First off, this did happen to a woman I knew and she detailed how her suitcase was ripped off and sometime later someone (I imagine the thief) dropped her license off at the post office. Her license was returned to her, but when the postman gave her stolen license to her she actually had to pay the postage for having the license returned via the postal system.


 * Now, typically citations are not needed because Wikivoyage is not an encyclopedia, however, when there is a dispute providing outside sources is beneficial. I can do this.  The Warsaw Country Council, an organization that acts as a liaison between the U.S. Embassy in Warsaw and U.S. companies in Poland, has notations about the crime. .  I'll reword the information to indicate that the crime is extremely rare. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 19:14, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

I've removed this part of the article, because it gave the impression it happens more often than once a year. It's a bit like saying don't ride the japanese subway because you might be caught in a serin gas attack. While it might be important, you are much more likely to be gunned down or stabbed on eastern trains, of wihch there is little to no mention on this article. (WT-en) TrapY 15:50, 7 September 2007 (EDT)


 * I know a guy who was gassed three times here! --User:203.134.13.194 01:55, 8 September 2007 (EDT)


 * Did it happen in the Myer Centre? (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:30, 8 September 2007 (EDT)


 * OOps, were we talking about rail travel? --User:203.134.13.194 02:37, 8 September 2007 (EDT)

railplus & borders
im not totaly sure if you get the rail plu sdoiscount only if you cross borders, or also, for example, when you are dutch, and you travel some stretch inside germany - so that you can claim the bahncard discount. Information on websites is not 100% clear. Wikivoyage now states the conservative case.

Descriptions of Services/Furnishings
The "Stay Safe" section mentions passengers taking laptops on-board. Presume they get used while enroute. Can someone comment (perhaps in a new/different (sub)section) on whether (certain) trains offer wired or wireless Internet access? Perhaps there could be a basic discussion of amenities in general, e.g., benches vs. seats vs. private cabins by ticket class, food and water/beverage availability, types of restrooms and any toiletries. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Hennejohn (talk • contribs)


 * (reply to comment before edit) I think the picture is a bit murky in this regard, doing a section like this covering all of Europe would be rather complex, as many European railway companies offer WiFi, but rarely on all their trains. So I don't think you're just able to write; "NS, SNCF, DB, SJ and DSB offers WiFi on their trains", but rather "DB offers WiFi on some of their ICE services (Dortmund - Cologne; Cologne - Frankfurt, Frankfurt - Munich and Frankfurt - Hamburg), DSB offers WiFi on their Copenhagen commuter trains, SNCF is rolling out WiFi on their TGV network, but not all lines have coverage yet" etc. - add the other 70+ passenger carrying railways in Europe, and I think the section would become rather messy. But I'm open to suggestions on how it could be done. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 22:12, 2 January 2010 (EST)


 * As my experiences with Czech and German Railways, the internet access as well as electricity plugs vary greatly according to car class, train type and even the train route. I suggest only to mention, that some trains offer internet access, but for details see Train travel section in concrete country article. (WT-en) Robert-Antonio 05:07, 12 August 2011 (EDT)