Talk:Poros

Too many images?
Is there a good reason to ignore Image_policy? --118.93nzp (talk) 20:37, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No. The user has probably not been aware of that policy. What's more, the pictures shouldn't be placed in a gallery but on the right hand side and as thumbnails. Plus, pictures of individual businesses are discouraged. ϒpsilon (talk) 21:23, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that second opinion which jives with my own view.
 * However, he's a great contributor and is beavering away furiously, so my own slant on this is to wait until he runs out of steam and then raise the issue again - I just wanted to give Agustin a gentle heads up... --118.93nzp (talk) 21:27, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry guys, I' new on that. Ii have created few articles in Wikipedia; minor touches on some articles but all in all very little experience
 * My effort in Poros Is over. Very little additions will be coming in the near future. Probably next summer when I come back I will be able to bring in some references in SEE and BUY


 * So please feel free to arrange the article the way might follow the standards as I'm not that familiar with them


 * Best


 * Agustin Bartolome--Agustin Bartolome (talk) 22:21, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


 * No worries, Agustin. Enjoy your break and thanks for all the terrific material! --118.93nzp (talk) 22:47, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm now going to "blow up" the galleries and place the best pictures (the space won't suffice for all of them )in thumbs at the right side. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:08, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Allow listing off Poros - yes or no?
Please refer to this edit. The beginning of the deleted listing's description was as follows:

"63 Km driving from Poros you can find this amazing resort."

My edit summary was:

"Not even close to being on Poros. List elsewhere."

Here is some relevant discussion from User talk:Agustin Bartolome:


 * Recently the very reckoned hotel resort chain opened a resort called Amanzoe's near Poros. Straight line is 32 Km. It is a major resort for the area and is a tourism attraction for all the surrounding villages. You might believe is far form the Poros but certainly is an attraction you erasing it form the list puts down the quality of offers in the area. It brings more to the community listing it that the opposite. I'm convinced for the citizens and visitors listing it gives more level to the area than the opposite. Please, let me know.
 * Best
 * (talk)


 * In this case, I actually did remove the listing because it is not on the island of Poros - being, as User:Agustin Bartolome says, 32 km from the island. The listing (without any touting) should be put in an article about someplace on the mainland, in my opinion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:42, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Ikan,
 * Regarding Poros island, bare in mind that the distance of the island to the main land is 200meters with ferries every 15 minutes for a 5 min trip. Basically Poros is considered part of the mainland rather than an island. I have never used Talk:Poros and hardly anybody will write on it as I have probrably created 95% of Poros article. I leave it in your hands to keep it or remove it. Bare in mind that price per room and day is 1,500 euros and having an hotel like this on the area pushes up all the area as a tourist destination. Please do whatever you thing is appripriate. Best talk

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 * I don't think this decision should be left solely in my hands. Please post your views on whether a hotel 63 km from Poros by car and 32 km from Poros as the crow flies should be included on this page. If not, the next question would be whether there is another appropriate article in which a suitably detouted listing for Amanzo'e Aman Resort could be inserted, if so, which, and if not, whether one should be started. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:15, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I just had a look at the map. Yes, it is probably a nice and famous hotel, but the problem is that it's not really in Poros or even nearby. You have to make a trip from Poros to get there, and the article is supposed to be just about Poros, right? I would prefer to have the actual listing either in a nearby city (perhaps should we create an article for Kranidi, just 4 km from the resort?) or in the region article. Also, WP tells it is in the municipality of Ermioni if I understand correctly. Ermioni already has an article, however it seems to be just about the city itself which is over 10 km from the resort...
 * If it really is a popular place, it can also be mentioned (! not a full listing, just a sentence or two) in the "Go next" section in the Poros article, especially if the resort has other things to offer than just being a place to sleep. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:49, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree on all counts. Does anyone else have any thoughts about this? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:33, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

If we isolate cities in Wikivoyage, users will need to use a map to understand where they are and what can they see around. If the suggestion is to create an article for Kranidi you can wait ages until anybody does so. Without a proper listing or map the only solution is listing repetitive POIs on near cities. Wikivoyage is not a RELATIONAL DATABASE. I'm reading the idea to mention the Resort on GO NEXT. Is a solution but will hurt Wikivoyage unless it is shown using POIs TEMPLATES as it is the standard way to talk about POIs. Text can be added before and after the POI template but the POI should be described on the template not on open text. Bare in mind that unstructured POIs have little future in Wikivoyage if wikiDATA is going to get imposed on top of all different language Wikivoyage encyclopedias. Templates is the solution for cross language Wikivoyages. Please do whatever but use templates talk
 * I'm sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but Wikivoyage does divide the world into cities, for the most part. If you want to know how to get from New York City to Newark, you probably have to use either the directions at Newark (New Jersey) or a map, too. Please explain what the problem is, as I really don't understand. I also don't understand why we would have to wait ages for a new Outline article to be written. Finally, I really don't understand what you're referring to about WikiData. I don't know anything about plans involving WikiData that would impinge on the ability to start new articles on this site. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:39, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I just created Kranidi, just to have someplace for the hotel to be put. It took less time than formulating this comment.
 * WV is indeed divided into cities and towns where listings should be put. The exception to this would be large wilderness areas like e.g. Sahara. We don't list hotels from e.g. Athens in the Poros article either. ϒpsilon (talk) 04:36, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, ϒpsi! I added the listing that was previously in the Poros article, minus the portions that ran afoul of this site's policy on touting. I also added some information in Kranidi. User:Agustin Bartolome, I strongly urge you to add more directions on how to get to Poros and other interesting locations from Kranidi to the Kranidi section. In addition, I noticed that there are ferries that are based in Porto Heli, but there is no article for Porto Heli. If you know which islands have ferries from Porto Heli, it would be very helpful to start an article for that town and input some information. You don't have to develop an article to Guide or even Usable status on your own for it to be useful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:35, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry if it has taken me so long to answer your thoughts Ikan Kekek and ϒpsi. After your comments I’m getting lost and I don’t understand if you want to include the Aman Resort in the Poros article and if so, if you want to use a template. If I where you, I will include the resort as is the most important one the Peloponnese peninsula and probably one of the 5 best in Greece. Many people from Athens spend their weekends in the triangle formed by Poros, Hydra and Spetses. I will not mention hotels in Athens as suggested as they are not in the Peloponeese. Kranidi it is not a tourist resort and tourist hardly will have heard about the town. If you finally think is worth mentioning its existence, you can do it on open text or on template. I will certainly do it using a template. It is the way third parties like the german App campany Triposo can take advantage of the open source. If it is not on templates the information cannot be listed preventing duplications. As I mentioned Wikidata acts as central storage for the structured data of its Wikimedia sister projects including Wikipedia, Wikivoyage, Wikisource, and others. They need structured data to be used identically in diferent language enciclopedias. All that said, would you please come to a conclusion and decide if you want to mention the POI and if so, with what format? It is no longer in my hands as you have erased my previous attempts. Please decide. Best (talk)
 * Please have a look at Kranidi. Then it will be clear what steps have been taken. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:58, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I have seen the entry in Kranidi. I hardly believe anybody will come across the entry as this town is not a tourist resort. I have just created the entry in Poros as I think should be done, which is using a UNIQUE POI, being in this case the one you have created in Kranidi until Wikidata can come to a system to have this POIs being uniques. I have added similar entries in Hydra and Spetses just in case you might considered them appropriate. If you don't like the entries, please feel free to erase them. From my side I have no further interest in mentioning it in Poros or els ware. I have just tried to learn about Wikivoyage and help people find useful places visiting the area. Best (talk).


 * Individual POIs should be listed in just one article, preferably in the nearest city. In special cases (for example a natural sight in the middle of Sahara, Siberia etc.) they can be placed in the region instead. Until someone puts the resort on a huge trailer and transports it to Poros or another city, Kranidi is where it should be (doesn't the fact that it has such a marvelous resort make Kranidi a place worth visiting, for the sake of the resort?). In no case should it be placed in the articles of other cities, and certainly not with a full listing. It's just how we do it here on WV - I haven't invented the rules. Kranidi can be listed in the Go next sections of those cities and in the description of Kranidi the resort can be mentioned if it is the main reason for people to visit that part of the region. Ikan? ϒpsilon (talk) 17:05, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'll post accordingly in "Go next." Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:21, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I can see now that you have simply erased entries on SLEEP in Poros, Spetses and Hydra. I would appreciate you telling me what would you do while visiting any of this three towns if you are willing to stay in a luxurious resort?. If you tell me you have to read all GO NEXT in order to see if there is a town where a good resort is mentioned, I have to completely disagree. People simply goes to SLEEP and read suggestions depending on price and distance, and if there is not an entry on the category they are searching, they will not come across their existence. talk
 * You can't just violate site policies against promoting a resort across numerous websites and edit war because you think it's so important, somehow. A single dissenter doesn't have the right to violate consensus policies. Stop. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Street addresses
Hi, everyone. Does Poros use numbered street addresses? I see at least one listing with such an address. All listings that can have such addresses should, and if not, any kind of cross-street or other useful location information should be given, although it's great that almost everything has Geo - that's really more than half the battle. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:28, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

To Guide?
Greece is a fairly popular destination, so it's surprising we've just featured one Greek destination over the years (Mykonos, DotM of September 2011). Here we would have a nice little candidate for OtBP for anytime of the year except mid-winter, once it has been promoted to Guide status.

For that, the article needs price classes for restaurants and hotels, perhaps some copyediting and what else? ϒpsilon (talk) 20:11, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * the Understand section seems to me a little uncompliant of Tone and Don't tout but this falls under "some copyediting". Otherwise is pretty much a Guide already. I say let's go for it. Ibaman (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Let's wait until tomorrow and see if anyone objects. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:41, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Apparently nobody has raised any complaints so far. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:01, 10 August 2015 (UTC)