Talk:Paradise and Whitefish Bay

Merge target
This article is was tagged for merging into Whitefish Bay on 11 December 2014‎, while the Whitefish Bay article was tagged for merging into this one on 8 August 2014‎ (Talk:Whitefish Bay). I don't know the area, so would anyone who does care to comment on what the correct solution should be? , ? -- Ryan &bull; (talk) &bull; 05:09, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Whitefish Bay should be merged here, I believe it's just a point on a peninsula north of Paradise. Texugo (talk) 10:20, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Merged, thanks. -- Ryan &bull; (talk) &bull; 05:32, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * So that leaves an article named "Paradise" whose only listings are for "Whitefish Point", some eleven miles distant on Whitefish Bay? This makes no sense. K7L (talk) 21:34, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Birding/Whitefish Point Bird Observatory Location
I just corrected the latitude and longitude of the Observatory location but I don't know how to correct the map.--Wpwatchdog (talk) 14:06, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The map markers are generated from the listings, which look to be incorrect - putting the bird observatory in the lake. I've tried to fix these. K7L (talk) 00:49, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Corrected location of Scuba Diving
I corrected the coordinates for the Whitefish Point State Harbor that divers use to boat to the Whitefish Bay shipwrecks but again, the map needs fixed.--Wpwatchdog (talk) 14:13, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Just for the record, my friend, the dynamic map tool is still a work in progress, with a lot of issues that need some fixing. Don't worry too much for now. I put the minus sign in all the longitudes, as Michigan is east of Greenwich (same as Brazil where I live). I suggest you add some Eat and Sleep options so we can upgrade its status from Outline to Usable. Cheers, Ibaman (talk) 15:01, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Another person will start adding eat and sleep options in the near future. Thank you for the fixes.Wpwatchdog (talk) 17:17, 27 August 2016 (UTC)


 * In any case, negative longitude infers that Michigan is *west* of Greenwich, not east. K7L (talk) 00:49, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Clarifying Crisp Point Light address
The 450 W Marr Road address is actually a mailing address of the Crisp Point Historical Society President approximately 342 miles from the lighthouse. I think the coordinates are the only way to show the location of the lighthouse which is located in a remote area. The driving directions to the lighthouse are complex. --Wpwatchdog (talk) 14:25, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw the map. Better to leave the "address" field empty for now. It's customary to put these "remote" listings under Go Next, rather than See. Let's keep improving it. Cheers, Ibaman (talk) 15:01, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I moved Crisp Point Light to the Go Next section. Thank you.Wpwatchdog (talk) 17:46, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The "go next" section is for the next destination with an article. We'll never have a usable "Crisp Point" standalone article unless there were some way in, something to see or do, somewhere to eat, somewhere to sleep - and there's not. There are a couple of possibilities for handling a small town surrounded by even tinier villages where the 'next' point is a a speck-on-a-map with a single point of interest: either include the whole thing in the main body of the article ('see' or 'do', much like a small-town suburban venue is included with the in-town listings) or list the outlying village as 'nearby' with its one listing.
 * The article itself, at this point, has a large sparsely-populated and ill-defined rural area as its coverage zone. That makes it arbitrary as to what's in (or contiguous to) "Paradise and Whitefish Bay" and what's merely "nearby".
 * The historical society's web page names a specific road (Luce County Road 412) as "not ploughed in winter", so I presume the lighthouse is on this road or reachable only by this road. OpenStreetMap shows a "Crisp Point Road" which dead-ends at (46.7524, -85.2577) and Google maps "1944 Co Hwy 412, Newberry, MI 49868, USA" (this same street) as the location of the lighthouse. K7L (talk) 00:19, 6 November 2016 (UTC)