Talk:Outback New South Wales

Rename to Outback NSW?
I didn't really realise this until recently, but it appears that the name "Far West" is quite ambiguous. Sometimes Dubbo, about 300km east of the eastern most point of the Far West region, is sometimes considered to be "Far West" or "Western NSW" but in actual fact, it's in the Central West (New South Wales) (according to ABC news). It appears that the name "Far west" is mainly used for health districts, but that's not the actual name of the region when it comes to a travel point of view, where this name is officially called "Outback NSW". From what I remember, the border between South Australia and New South Wales uses "Outback NSW" (I just checked Google Street Trekker for confirmation and not this one). So... instead of using NSW Health district names and use tourism regions? Especially when we're using tourism region borders, but Health District names? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:08, 1 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Since there is no support nor opposes, if no one opposes this, I may as well rename this. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 06:58, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It's been 12 days now, and no opposition. I'll likely be moving this article. SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 23:38, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok Tai123.123 (talk) 23:45, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The poor benighted creatures who are not Australian may not recognize "NSW". Maybe Outback New South Wales might be a better name? Ground Zero (talk) 02:33, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. Interestingly, I've never seen the NSW tourist districts have NSW being spelled in full as "New South Wales" (so it's Central West NSW, not Central West New South Wales) SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 11:46, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Banner
There is currently a discussion on Talk:Rail travel in Australia about changing this banner. In summary, the reason why I propose we use the current banner on Rail travel in Australia is because the current banner is grossly misleading – there are only two train routes, and both use the same tracks. This new banner is of Mungo National Park, which is arguably the region's most significant natural attraction, but I've cropped a photo near the Walls of China's western end to portray the mixed landscapes found throughout Outback NSW. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:34, 21 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Banner 1 here also. ButteBag (talk) 12:35, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Banner 1 is much more striking. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:46, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Definitely banner 1. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 11:56, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 11:33, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Subregions?
Category:Outback New South Wales has 22 city and park articles breadcrumbed underneath it. While 22 is not a lot to warrant regionalisation, there are many parks and towns in this region that don't have their own articles. I'll be a bit busy for the next two weeks (but I have some spare time on my hands today and will have some tomorrow), so I probably won't start this after Nov 27, but for now, what you see on the right are the proposed regions.

To put it simply, I propose that Outback NSW be divided into three subregions: Lower Darling, Far West, and Northwestern New South Wales. Some practical reasons for this:
 * Lower Darling is often visited on a weekend trip by many Victorians. The other regions are not.
 * The Far West is often said to be the true Outback, while Northwestern NSW and the Lower Darling can be argued either way.
 * Northwestern New South Wales is a lot more developed, and noticeably home to many bore baths of the Great Artesian Basin.

Other thoughts?

-- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:44, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * For reference, here's a list of all cities and other destinations that I've pasted, descriptionless:


 * (including Silverton)
 * -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * One of the flaws you might notice is with the Lower Darling, which would only have four articles breadcrumbed to it as soon as this is regionalised. However, we do not have articles for Euston, Yanga National Park, and Pooncarie, adding this to seven, while Buronga is covered in Mildura. Mallee Cliffs NP will also need a one-liner but can't sustain its own article as it's inaccessible to the public. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:53, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Adding, which I've created. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 10:33, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Bump. Any other comments? I'd prefer another opinion before regionalising this article. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Have made a regionlist in my userspace. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 10:18, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Given that I've received no comment for 12 days now, I will start the regionalisation if no-one responds by this weekend. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 10:44, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Being completely ignorant of the region, I'd just ask if this is a problem that could be solved by adding subheads to the `Cities` and other relevant subsections? One issue I've noticed with many subregion pages is the often barren See/Do/Buy/Eat/Etc sections. This page doesn't feel overwhelming to me as is, but IDK what you have planned. ButteBag (talk) 21:16, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Finally one response :-).
 * To answer your question, I suppose it could work, but it probably won't work for long. Although the sections are short, in particular the eat/drink, the simple answer is that there isn't a lot to say about eat/drink. Do agree that the see and do sections need expanding, though – I'll make sure that these regions don't have empty section headers. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 08:22, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * LOL, yeah the answer to these questions is always, "Will it make things clearer for visitors AND do you have the bandwidth to create all the content?". If yes, than go for it. Oh right, and I think we're allowed to combine/omit sections on region pages too, which may help. ButteBag (talk) 13:50, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I support the proposal. It doesn't seem absolutely necessary to regionalise this going by the number of cities and other destinations, but due to the region's large area, and significant internal differences, I believe that it would be an improvement. Twsabin (talk) 11:42, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * One of the flaws you might notice is with the Lower Darling, which would only have four articles breadcrumbed to it as soon as this is regionalised. However, we do not have articles for Euston, Yanga National Park, and Pooncarie, adding this to seven, while Buronga is covered in Mildura. Mallee Cliffs NP will also need a one-liner but can't sustain its own article as it's inaccessible to the public. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:53, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Adding, which I've created. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 10:33, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Bump. Any other comments? I'd prefer another opinion before regionalising this article. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Have made a regionlist in my userspace. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 10:18, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Given that I've received no comment for 12 days now, I will start the regionalisation if no-one responds by this weekend. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 10:44, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Being completely ignorant of the region, I'd just ask if this is a problem that could be solved by adding subheads to the `Cities` and other relevant subsections? One issue I've noticed with many subregion pages is the often barren See/Do/Buy/Eat/Etc sections. This page doesn't feel overwhelming to me as is, but IDK what you have planned. ButteBag (talk) 21:16, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Finally one response :-).
 * To answer your question, I suppose it could work, but it probably won't work for long. Although the sections are short, in particular the eat/drink, the simple answer is that there isn't a lot to say about eat/drink. Do agree that the see and do sections need expanding, though – I'll make sure that these regions don't have empty section headers. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 08:22, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * LOL, yeah the answer to these questions is always, "Will it make things clearer for visitors AND do you have the bandwidth to create all the content?". If yes, than go for it. Oh right, and I think we're allowed to combine/omit sections on region pages too, which may help. ButteBag (talk) 13:50, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I support the proposal. It doesn't seem absolutely necessary to regionalise this going by the number of cities and other destinations, but due to the region's large area, and significant internal differences, I believe that it would be an improvement. Twsabin (talk) 11:42, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * One of the flaws you might notice is with the Lower Darling, which would only have four articles breadcrumbed to it as soon as this is regionalised. However, we do not have articles for Euston, Yanga National Park, and Pooncarie, adding this to seven, while Buronga is covered in Mildura. Mallee Cliffs NP will also need a one-liner but can't sustain its own article as it's inaccessible to the public. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:53, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Adding, which I've created. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 10:33, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Bump. Any other comments? I'd prefer another opinion before regionalising this article. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 09:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Have made a regionlist in my userspace. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 10:18, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Given that I've received no comment for 12 days now, I will start the regionalisation if no-one responds by this weekend. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 10:44, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Being completely ignorant of the region, I'd just ask if this is a problem that could be solved by adding subheads to the `Cities` and other relevant subsections? One issue I've noticed with many subregion pages is the often barren See/Do/Buy/Eat/Etc sections. This page doesn't feel overwhelming to me as is, but IDK what you have planned. ButteBag (talk) 21:16, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Finally one response :-).
 * To answer your question, I suppose it could work, but it probably won't work for long. Although the sections are short, in particular the eat/drink, the simple answer is that there isn't a lot to say about eat/drink. Do agree that the see and do sections need expanding, though – I'll make sure that these regions don't have empty section headers. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 08:22, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * LOL, yeah the answer to these questions is always, "Will it make things clearer for visitors AND do you have the bandwidth to create all the content?". If yes, than go for it. Oh right, and I think we're allowed to combine/omit sections on region pages too, which may help. ButteBag (talk) 13:50, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I support the proposal. It doesn't seem absolutely necessary to regionalise this going by the number of cities and other destinations, but due to the region's large area, and significant internal differences, I believe that it would be an improvement. Twsabin (talk) 11:42, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Dec 14 update: the regionalisation is about 70 percent complete, the only two things left is adding content to the Northwest and Far West pages, as well as making a static map (which I'll try and make this weekend). All categorisation and mapshapes complete. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 03:05, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Need some opinions on a possible regionalisation
Apologies for the excessive brigading (if you perceive it that way), but I'm looking for some opinions before regionalising Outback New South Wales. I started the discussion on Nov 17 (11 days ago, as of writing this), have listed it on Requests for comment, but haven't received any comments. In particular, the reason I'm raising this in the pub is because I don't feel too comfortable regionalising a region article with no comment. Any other opinions? -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 10:17, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Linking Talk:Outback New South Wales for reference. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 10:18, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You mean it's not just me, you get the cricket's-experience too? :) Ottawahitech (talk) 20:26, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You didn't get the crickets experience on your enquiry below. I responded in within a day, and did some work to get you started on the project you proposed, but I see you haven't done anything with it. Next time I won't bother. Ground Zero (talk) 16:40, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * People have more than once that, for regions I know fairly well & they don't, I should just go ahead; they'll trust my judgement. e.g Talk:Visayas That's my reaction here; I don't know Oz & I'm prepared to trust User:SHB2000. Pashley (talk) 15:42, 10 December 2022 (UTC)