Talk:Nevada

Moved from article, probably irrelevant to travellers:

Mining
The first mining boom in Nevada started with the discovery of the "Comstock Lode" near Virginia City in 1857. Since then, gold and silver deposits have been discovered and mined throughout the state. Production has followed a characteristic boom-bust cycle, with booms occurring from about 1857 - 1895, 1936 - 1943 and 1985 - 1998. Production of strategic metals (antimony, arsenic and tungsten) boomed during World War I and World War II, but is currently negligible due to foreign competition. In 2002, 11% of world gold production was in Nevada, as was about 2% of silver production.

Agriculture
Nevada is home to about 500,000 cows and 100,000 sheep, virtually all of which graze on Federally-owned land for at least a portion of the year. Cows are generally rounded up twice a year to be moved between ranges (mostly by truck), and new calves are branded and castrated. Cows not designated for herd replacement are shipped to feedlots to be fattened for slaughter. Although Nevada rangeland is better suited to sheep production (due to their lower water requirements and greater winter-hardiness), higher market prices for beef support the continued dominance of cattle production.

There are approximately 200,000 acres of irrigated farmland growing alfalfa and grass hay in support of the ranching industry. Some of this hay is exported from the state, where it is prized for its high sugar content due to slow growth rates. Irrigation water is drawn from snow-melt from the eastern slope of the Sierra Nevada and the Great Basin ranges. Small quantities of other crops are grown, including cantaloupe and onions.

-- (WT-en) Nils 09:19, 23 May 2004 (EDT)

I propose moving the desert travel stuff into a separate article. Any objections or suggestions on the article title? "Driving in the Desert" would be my suggestion. -- (WT-en) Nils 09:28, 23 May 2004 (EDT)


 * I agree. It is all useful stuff but doesn't really fit where it is --(WT-en) Nzpcmad 16:14, 23 May 2004 (EDT)


 * Totally agree too. Death Valley; Mojave Desert in California, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico are a selection of US-centric places which could use an article.  Go Nils! -- (WT-en) Colin 18:12, 23 May 2004 (EDT)

Regions
Looks like this could be broken down into regions. Wikipedia breaks them into: Does this seem right to anyone familiar with the area? Any better suggestions? (WT-en) Fastestdogever 23:35, 4 March 2007 (EST)
 * Great Basin
 * Mojave Desert
 * Lake Tahoe
 * Las Vegas Valley


 * It's okay. Would it help to lump Southern Nevada (LV, Searchlight, Jean, Lake Mead) together with maybe subregions under it including the Vegas Valley?  How do you plan to fit the Carson Valley and Reno in?  I think the most aggravating part of dividing the rest of Nevada up is that, from the perspective of the traveller, each major highway corridor (93, 95, 6, 50, 15, and 80) essentially makes a region -- but we can worry about that once we have a Great Basin region.  Also, Nevada counties suck something fierce as regions. -- (WT-en) Colin 23:54, 4 March 2007 (EST)


 * Just about every map I can find divides NV up like this. Good enough for a start?  (WT-en) Fastestdogever 11:01, 5 March 2007 (EST)

That works for me. My reading of that map gives the following divisions by county, but I don't have names for these regions: -- (WT-en) Colin 19:29, 6 March 2007 (EST)


 * 1) Region 1: Carson City, Douglas, Storey, Washoe
 * 2) Region 2: Elko, Humboldt, Pershing plus the northern half of Eureka and Lander
 * 3) Region 3: Churchill, White Pine plus the southern half of Eureka and Lander
 * 4) Region 4: Esmeralda, Lincoln, Lyon, Mineral, Nye
 * 5) Region 5: Clark
 * Note: Carson City is not part of any county.
 * Note: Eureka and Lander are divided along a line connecting the southeast corner of Pershing to the southwest corner of Elko.


 * The names I've found for these seem kind of cheesy. (WT-en) Fastestdogever 14:22, 7 March 2007 (EST)


 * 1) Reno-Tahoe Territory
 * 2) Cowboy Country
 * 3) Pony Express Territory
 * 4) Pioneer Territory
 * 5) Las Vegas Territory


 * GAH the cheese! Southern, Northern, and Western seem like useful names.  But what to name Region 3 (US50/Pony Express corridor) and Region 4 (Area51).  Maybe include 4 and 5 as "Southern" and subdivide into 4 off as "Clark County" or something, and then name 3 "central"?  That would get us four regions (1. Western, 2. Northern, 3. Central, 4+5: Southern). -- (WT-en) Colin 14:55, 7 March 2007 (EST)

I've created a map & the regions. If it seems right I'll start creating the region pages. (WT-en) Fastestdogever 21:18, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Nevada's counties tend to be geographically irrelevant except to sex tourists desperately needing to know where Clark and Storey counties end; so let them consult their hooker handbooks. I think most people experience the state as two metropolises and several transportation corridors. Hardcore travelers learn to appreciate what's between those corridors.

So we could mention the Reno/Carson/Tahoe and Vegas metropolises and send people to the articles. Next write up transportation corridors US 95/395, US 93, and I-80.

Finally write up the big blocks between corridors: (1) Nellis AFT/nuke testsite/Area 51, (2) the North-South mountain/basin region from Nellis etc. north to I-80, including US 50. (3) everything north of the I-80 corridor. Eight regions in all. Not bad for such a big state. (WT-en) LADave 16:00, 5 June 2007 (EDT)


 * By the way, you've been doing great work -- thanks. The nice thing about county boundaries is that they are well defined.  Let me give an example -- my home city of Fremont is sometimes part of the South Bay, the East Bay, or the Silicon Valley.  People kept trying to move it to their favorite region.  We solved that problem by simple saying it is in Alameda County which is clearly true and unambiguous.


 * We didn't choose the current region breakdown based on county lines. It just happens that we used a common breakdown we'd seen elsewhere, and it happens to use county lines for the most part (note that there are exceptions!).


 * I for one am willing to look at other proposals. Just be sure your proposal is well-defined so that it will be easy for us to figure out which towns go into which region. -- (WT-en) Colin 02:46, 6 June 2007 (EDT)


 * Hi Colin Nice to meet another Nevada travel fan!  Your point about places getting moved around between arbitrary districts is well taken.  Hmm.  Well, I think the transportation corridors pretty much are what they are.  Ambiguities I can think of would be towns like Ely at intersections.  But we could solve that with an Ely article.  Or if U.S. 50 and U.S. 6 aren't written up as corridors, Ely can only go into the U.S. 93 corridor.  Counties may have their own ambiguities.  Of course towns and cities don't wander, but mountain ranges often cross county lines.


 * OK. Greater Las Vegas could be the same as Clark County, taking care of I-15, Lake Mead and the Colorado River below it, Laughlin, Spring Mountain, Red Rocks, Valley of Fire and a few others.


 * Greater Reno would be Reno/Sparks, Carson City, the Nevada side of Lake Tahoe and the slice of the Sierras in Nevada and Virginia City.


 * I-80 corridor includes Lovelock Winemucca, Battle Mountain, Elko, Wells and Wendover, and the Truckee and Humboldt Rivers.


 * U.S. 95 corridor has Beatty, Goldfield, Tonopah, Hawthorne, Walker Lake, the Walker River I.R. and Fallon. Then it multiplexes with I-80.  In the northern part from Winemucca to McDermitt there's the Santa Rosa Range and Fort McDermitt, including the I.R.


 * U.S. 93 corridor would have Cathedral Gorge, Pioche, Ely, Wells and Jackpot.


 * Southwest (west of US 95) Death Valley, S.R. 266 across Lida Summit, White Mountains, U.S. 6 to Montgomery Pass and Boundary Peak, the East Walker River and Sweetwater Mountains, Topaz Lake and the West Walker River.


 * Northwest (west of US 95 and north of I-80) Pyramid Lake, Black Rock Desert (Burning Man), High Rock Canyon, Sheldon Wildlife Refuge.


 * Southeast (east of US 93 and south of I-80) GBNP and Snake Range, Schell Creek Range.


 * South Central - Nellis AFB, Area 51, Nevada Test Range, Extraterrestrial Highway (S.R. 375), Quinn Canyon and Grant Ranges. U.S. 6 could be described here.


 * Central- Toiyabe/Shoshone Range, Berlin-Icthysaur S.P., Big Smoky Valley, Toquima Range and Mt. Jefferson, Ruby and East Humboldt Ranges, and whatever outher mountains people want to write up. Also U.S. 50 (Austin, Eureka)

(WT-en) LADave 14:58, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Northeast- Independence Mountains, Matterhorn Range, Jarbridge, upper Owyee River, Duck Valley I.R.


 * Just to throw a monkey wrench in.... the Project:Geographical hierarchy guideline says stuff should be divided into 5 to 9 subregions. The subregions can have subregions though. :-) -- (WT-en) Colin 15:03, 6 June 2007 (EDT)


 * OK, so how about this arrangement:

(WT-en) LADave 03:52, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Cities
 * Vegas and Clark County
 * Reno/Sparks/Carson City
 * Highway Corridors
 * US95
 * US93
 * I-80
 * Hinterlands
 * Southwest
 * South Central
 * Southeast
 * Central
 * Northwest
 * Northeast

My main problem with this is that two of those top-level buckets aren't regions, but categories; we can't write a meaningful region article about "the two big cities in Nevada". Meanwhile the real geographical regions are being shunted off into "Hinterlands". What about identifying the two metro regions and drawing the other regions around the highways... ...then within these regions we could identify subregions based on geographic features (e.g. Humbolt River Valley, Snake River Range, Big Smoky Valley), metro areas of smaller cities, and/or more specific compass headings (e.g. Northwest) if necessary. -(WT-en) Todd VerBeek 09:04, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Las Vegas Area
 * Reno Area
 * North Nevada (I-80 and north)
 * East Nevada (US-93 and east)
 * Southwest Nevada (US-95 south of Reno)
 * Central Nevada (US-50 and anything else that isn't close enough to another highway)

Regions 2
Todd VerBeek's proposal might work for US93 and US95 south of I-80, but the region north of I-80 is simply too big. The NW corner of the state is about 120 miles from I-80.

Counter-proposal:


 * Reno with links to Lake Tahoe and Carson City.  Add sections for Washoe Valley, Virginia City, Topaz Lake.
 * Las Vegas, link to Lake Mead National Recreation Area and add sufficient coverage of Henderson, Laughlin, Red Rock Canyon, Spring Mtns/Mt. Charleston, Desert NWR/Sheep Range, I-15 corridor
 * US 95 corridor (including Death Valley, Nevada Test Site, Nellis AFB, White Mountains, Goldfield, Tonopah, Walker Lake, Sweetwater Mtns, Fallon)
 * US 93 corridor (including Estraterrestrial Highway & Area 51, Cathedral Gorge S.P., Great Basin NP and Snake Range, Schell Creek Range, Ely, Ruby and East Humboldt Ranges, Jarbridge town and wilderness, Jackpot)
 * Central Nevada (including US 50 corridor, US 6 corridor, Stillwater/Clan Alpine/Desatoya Ranges, Toiyabe/Shoshone Ranges, Berlin-Icthysaur S.P., Big Smoky Valley, Toquima/Mt. Jefferson, Monitor Range, Quinn Canyon/Grant/White Pine Ranges, State Routes 305 and 278)
 * I-80 corridor (includes truck stops and other travelers facilities, Rye Patch SRA, Winemucca, Battle Mountain, Carlin, Elko, Wells, Wendover. Link to Pyramid Lake, Ruby/Humboldt Ranges)
 * Northern Nevada (includes Pyramid Lake, Black Rock Desert/Burning Man, High Rock Canyon, Sheldon NWR, Pine FOrest Range, US 95 from I-80 to McDermitt, US 140, Santa Rosa Range, Independence Mountains, Duck Valley I.R.).

Seven regions. (WT-en) LADave 12:39, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

Brothels
Based on this site's Sex tourism policy, unless it's changed in the latest round of discussion at Wikivoyage talk:Sex tourism policy - where there seems to pretty clearly be no consensus to change it - specific listings of brothels and mentions of specific names of brothels would seem to require deletion. Your thoughts? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:14, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I think deletions of listings are required based on clear policy established over 10 years now.
 * That doesn't mean that the description text cannot be rewritten in order to refer to the existence of these establishments, but listings themselves and contact information should be excised. I'm under the impression that someone who really wants these services would refer to sources other than WV anyhow :) Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:20, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


 * It sounds like we differ inasmuch as you think mentioning names without listings is within current guidelines, whereas I think that only the fact that legal brothels exist in X, Y, and Z Town should be mentioned. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:57, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually, no difference. I mean to say that "Town X is known for a few brothels in the Y area". Armed with that information someone can further research those places elsewhere on the internet, or otherwise just avoid that particular area. Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:04, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Does anyone have any objection to my deleting all brothel entries and mentions of the names of specific brothels? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:16, 19 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Done. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:43, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Mecca?

 * "Las Vegas is the mecca for gambling..."

This looks about as odd as the phrase "as cold as Hell". Mecca is known for the Hajj pilgrimage, not for gambling and vice. K7L (talk) 08:58, 23 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Mecca is also defined as: "Any place considered to be a very important place to visit by people with a particular interest. " However I agree that the expression "mecca" can sound pretty silly at times. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:22, 23 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Mecca in this sense is also on the list of words to avoid so I'd say to remove it. Texugo (talk) 14:17, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * A similar discussion can be found at Wikivoyage_talk:Words_to_avoid. --Saqib (talk) 14:19, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Texugo, in the discussion Saqib linked, you explicitly mentioned Las Vegas as an example of a true mecca. It appears to me that the consensus from that discussion is that "mecca" is fine when describing a destination that actually does represent a pilgrimage of sorts for people with a particular interest; it's only a word to avoid when describing something much more mundane.  Powers (talk) 16:04, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * So I did! Haha... Well, I still think there are probably less cliché ways of expressing the idea, but I'll leave it to others to decide. Texugo (talk) 18:07, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

"Lonliest Highway"
It says this on the static map. Shouldn't it be "Loneliest Highway"? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 17:02, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Typo is fixed. Depending on how quickly the page cache clears, you may need to refresh the page to see it. -Shaundd (talk) 16:50, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it showed up right the first time. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 01:45, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Colorado/Nevada border?
The main map of Nevada has Colorado on its northern border where Idaho should be. 72.205.32.178 02:48, 9 July 2023 (UTC)


 * You're right. That's very strange. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:36, 9 July 2023 (UTC)