Talk:Murray River

About Murray River
Over on Project:Votes for deletion Evan wrote:
 * It seems to my untrained eye that there is a region here that needs its own article. I'm not sure of the relationship between Riverina in New South Wales and the cities in Victoria that border the river. I'm not too bright, but I think this might be a region in the same way Lake Tahoe is. Yes, the name of the region is the same as the body of water, but they're not the same thing. --(WT-en) Evan 09:13, 28 Oct 2004 (EDT)

So, a few counter-arguments:
 * 1) The Murray River is enormously long, it runs all the way from South Australia across the length of New South Wales and Victoria -- about a third of the way across the continent. It also exactly specifies the border between New South Wales and Victoria. Driving the length of it takes about 15 hours. A region article talking about lands bordering the Murray would talk about a land area that is about the same size as Australia's (enormous) states, and which is less well known than any of them.
 * 2) It passes through (or next to, in most cases), these existing regions (aside from the state level regions): Far West (New South Wales), Riverina, South Coast (New South Wales), Sunraysia, Goulburn Valley, High Country (Victoria), Lakes (Victoria).
 * 3) There are regions sometimes known as "the Murray" (note that they are not known as "Murray River", Australians will generally drop a water modifier for a surrounding region), but we're already using different names for them: High Country (Victoria) and Riverina.
 * 4) The original creator clearly intended to refer to the entire river, not to some region-sized chunk of it, by linking to it from all three states it passes through.

There might be some value involved in combining High Country and Riverina into one cross-state region, but I think there's more value in having them as separate articles: state boundaries are quite a big deal in Australia.

(WT-en) Hypatia 11:04, 28 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Nomination Reasons
I'm nominating this page for deletion because it doesn't seem to merit an exception to Project:Bodies of water.

About moving the content:


 * House-boating suggestions can go into Riverina and into whatever the relevant Victoria region article is.


 * The notes about the "twin towns" seem unnecessary: while it's amusing that New South Wales and Victoria have several towns that live across the river from each other and which don't share basic infrastructure, it doesn't seem so interesting that travellers are likely to seek them out especially. Notes can be made in individual articles, as in Albury-Wodonga.


 * The discussion of the flooding patterns also has no clear place outside this article, but again, it doesn't seem of such interest to travellers.

(WT-en) Hypatia 19:17, 19 Oct 2004 (EDT)


 * Maybe this is the sort of article that should be written for WikiPedia instead. -- (WT-en) Huttite 08:00, 21 Oct 2004 (EDT)


 * Good idea, and it rather looks like someone's done it. The twin cities info is missing from that article though: I have no idea if it belongs there or not. -- (WT-en) Hypatia 09:22, 21 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Re-creation
This page was deleted as per a v.f.d discussion on 2 Nov 2004. It was re-created by User:203.36.138.244 on 16 Jun 2006. I am redirecting it to High Country for the time being, although I suspect Riverina has a claim too. (WT-en) Hypatia 02:50, 26 June 2006 (EDT)