Talk:Moldova

Fourth most interesting sight in Eastern Europe?
This edit removed the link to http://www.lonelyplanet.com/europe/travel-tips-and-articles/67086 where a recent (copyvio?) edit had (correctly) reported that Lonely Planet thought that the Orheiul Vechi Monastery complex was 4th in their list of "...top 10 Eastern European getaways".

I think this mention does meet the test in WV:Don't tout to "Avoid references to third-party ratings and rankings unless they are truly exceptional. For example, "Lonely Planet approved" should be avoided since there are thousands of businesses that are "Lonely Planet approved", but "rated the #2 hotel in the Middle East by Generic Travel Magazine in 2010" might be worth mentioning...".

Does anyone disagree?

I've visited many of these archaic but evocative monastic cells and, along with being driven for several kilometres underground through the largest wine cellars in the world in a smuggler's Mercedes 600, were one of the highlights of my Moldovan visit. --W. Frankemailtalk 14:16, 12 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I disagree. We don't mention these kinds of results that are strictly the product of anonymous user ratings (Zagat and Yelp ratings for restaurants would be other examples). There should be some other way to indicate how exceptional they are without this reference. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:16, 12 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Have you actually read the link I provided above, IK?
 * The rating for http://www.lonelyplanet.com/moldova/orheiul-vechi was not "the product of anonymous user ratings" but rather the considered opinion of experienced travel journalists from what is currently the most respected travel imprint in Europe. --W. Frankemailtalk 19:47, 12 October 2013 (UTC)


 * No, I hadn't, and I somehow was confusing Lonely Planet with Tripadvisor, probably because I didn't get enough sleep. I don't know what to say about this case. I'd like to read other people's takes on this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:10, 12 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I know the feeling. No rush. --W. Frankemailtalk 21:26, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Listing more Moldovan cities
For a country with 2.5 million inhabitants and stretching some 300 km north to south and 100 km west to east, it's kinda silly that there are just three entries in Cities. I mean, even articles of European microstates and island nations in Oceania and the Caribbean in general all have more cities and towns listed.

I think we should list, say, the 10 biggest here (just ones that aren't in Transnistria because they're listed in that article). As for now we can have them as redlinks, like e.g. the "cities" listed in Liechtenstein and do some online research to get at least some of them to usable status. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:46, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I really dislike long lists of redlinks... And I'd even argue that we should remove the relinks in the Liechtenstein article, not take them as an example to emulate... Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:07, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * So I'm getting started with the articles, by applying User:Ypsilon/Tips for improving articles on unfamiliar destinations, I think they can be brought up to usable status.
 * There were just 4 to add so that we'll have articles for the 10 most populous cities in Moldova (7 in this article, 3 in the Transnistria article, which we treat as a separate country). Sadly Comrat seems to be locked because apparently some vandal one of Libmod's incarnations created it twice last year. Could some admin kindly unlock it, TT maybe who locked it? --Ypsilon (talk) 14:36, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I've unlocked it for you. Ground Zero (talk) 14:53, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :) --Ypsilon (talk) 15:07, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, they should call you Ground Hero ;-) --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:55, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, dear comrades, could someone please also unlock Talk:Comrat, I need to put a "translated" tag there because the Russian version does have a little useful information to bring over. Ypsilon (talk) 16:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * ✔. Ground Zero (talk) 16:40, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Seven articles at usable for Europe's least visited country. Yay! Ypsilon (talk) 18:45, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * Photo changed. There are several photos of the airport on Commons and no particular reason to use the one that is about to get deleted. Ypsilon (talk) 13:28, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

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Can Transnistria be considered a "stalinist dictatorship"?
Hi there, I see that in this article's region category, it describes Transnistria as "One of the last places to see a stalinist dictatorship". I know this isn't true, and considering my edit (which I know I should've reconsidered anyway) trying to nudge away the supposed "stalinist charm" to Transnistria on it's page got rolled back right afterwards; I at least want to remove the part of this article where it straight up gives misleading information, but I am writing this just to make sure. TheElectrifiedFreak (talk) 06:27, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Please make an argument. How is it not true? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:41, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It certainly isn't one if you can freely travel to Moldova (due to the lack of border controls between Transnistria and Moldova). SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 08:12, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * People could travel from East Berlin to West Berlin until the wall was put up. That didn't make the East German dictatorship non-Stalinist. Is there any other evidence? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:18, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Is there any evidence that it is one? -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 08:22, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Ground Zero, since you've been there, maybe you would have something to say about this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:45, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The Transnistrian government is in theory democratic and frankly in practice like the Russian government (aka an authoritarian pseudo-democracy). I don't see the Transnistrian government sending their government compatriots to the gulag like Stalin would've done. Even calling Transnistria communist (like it's flag might suggest) would be a better overstatement than a stalinist government, if still
 * an overstatement.
 * Looking back, it basically is a dictatorship, but far from stalinist. The Transnistrian government is too caught up in corruption to commit to the fundamentals of communism or socialism, and even if they could, they probably wouldn't do it, because they're also commited to uniting with Russia, a feat which can be done only if they are a 1:1 duplicate of it's government. TheElectrifiedFreak (talk) 10:30, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with the ElectrifiedFreak, "Stalinist dictatorship" is not correct. What draws people are the communist monuments and imagery. The statues are of Lenin, not Stalin, and the government is not ideologically communist, just thoroughly corrupt. We spoke to someone who spoke openly about the government, which I would not expect in a Stalinist state. Ground Zero (talk) 10:54, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * If it's really needed I can provide the constitution of Transnistria and frankly even if it may not respect theese opening articles, I don't exactly believe that a stalinist state would phrase it's constitution that light-heartedly. Stalinist states (which really don't exist anymore) would phrase they're breaches of (for example) human rights or freedom of travel a lot more openly and more strong-worded. TheElectrifiedFreak (talk) 11:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know if Stalinist states don't exist. Maybe North Korea. But you guys have convinced me that Transnistria is not one, so please go ahead and re-delete that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:55, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * North Korea officialy is it's own branch of communism, but ideologically is very Stalinistic so I'm giving you that. Glad that we figured this out! TheElectrifiedFreak (talk) 15:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, even modern China is objectively not Stalinist. Other than Tibet, you can go to China today and travel around freely as a tourist, which was not allowed in the Soviet Union. Tourists visiting the Soviet Union were required to join package tours, much like North Korea today. Foreigners need to join a package tour to visit Tibet, but Chinese citizens can go to Tibet and travel around freely as tourists. The dog2 (talk) 17:52, 23 July 2023 (UTC)