Talk:Main Page/2021 Archive

New banner for Covid-19 box (2021)
I'm having trouble finding suitable images of masks, as masks themselves aren't very interesting, and so a lot of pictures have people in them, which I don't think we want. Here are three suggestions, but I think we should wait for some more proposals from other people before we start voting. Ground Zero (talk) 15:29, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, they're all "bitmap" images rather than vector images, but I suspect that it would be fairly easy to extract a few pieces. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think there is a lot of information in those images, which would be better in the COVID-19 article than in a banner. Ground Zero (talk) 13:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I actually really like these. If we took just a row of the circular images illustrating mask usage and hand washing, with no text, and expand the background color to fill, I think that would make a very simple and straightforward image. --Bigpeteb (talk) 20:07, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Changing my vote to the NYPL lion with the mask on. Emphatically. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:59, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I still think that if we're going to change the image, it ought to be the one that shows the temperature gun being used. Diagnosing coronavirus is crucial to containing it, and temperature checks take place at so many buildings now that it's one of the main experiences people associate with COVID-19. When animals start catching coronavirus in large numbers I might change my vote. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 16:16, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Second round
I was hoping for more input from others before proceeding. But in the interest of moving this along, here are the banners that have attracted support so far. I'm not able to cut-and-paste the WHO images as Bigpeteb suggested. If someone can do that, please add it to this list. -- Ground Zero (talk) 17:17, 9 January 2021 (UTC).

Banner D (PPE for sale in Moscow)

Banner E (Anti-A gel)

Banner F (Taking temperatures)

Banner G (New York Public Library Lions)

Banner H (Moai in masks)

Discussion

 * My choices in order of preference: H D G F E, then the WHO graphic. Wikivoyage is not the first place readers will be getting COVID19 information from as it has been front-and-centre in the media for 10 months now, so I think we should lean toward a simpler travel-related picture, rather than worrying about trying to educate readers through a banner. Ground Zero (talk) 17:17, 9 January 2021 (UTC).
 * Seeing these all in a row changes my votes somewhat. D, F, H, G, E. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:16, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * E,F,H,D,G. I looked at creating an image using the WHO posters, and I think it would be a bit of work for this shape of banner. However they crop quite well into a normal pagebanner. I have posted this on Talk:COVID-19 pandemic, but I am not suggesting changing that banner at the moment. AlasdairW (talk) 23:01, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * G, H, E, current banner, F, WHO graphic, D. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:18, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I like the statues wearing masks so G & H. F is also good as it is something you will experience if you do travel during the pandemic. User:DaGizza
 * H then G for me. The others are less interesting to me. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:24, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * H, F, G, D, E. Incorporate WHO graphics into the article, but they don't work as banners because you'll have text on top of text.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * F, E, G, D, H. The moai aren’t wearing the masks per CDC guidelines. It’s not covering the chin and barely covering the nose. I maintain that F is by far the most practical of the images. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 12:40, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Its true that the masks aren't covering the chin, but they are giant sone heads, so I don't think image has to be viewed literally. I would agree if we were showing a person wearing a mask incorrectly. Ground Zero (talk) 12:23, 13 January 2021 (UTC)


 * H and G, in no particular order. It might help to see them with the text overlay, the way they'd appear in the banner. Also, can we flip H and G horizontally? That would put the focal point of those images on the right, so it doesn't overlap with the text overlay on the left. --Bigpeteb (talk) 19:59, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The text on a main page banner can be at the left, right or in the centre, and there is a width parameter, so the text can be moved to fit the image. See the examples on Destination of the month candidates/Banners. AlasdairW (talk) 21:04, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You people keep forcing me to learn new things.... I've added the text overlay. If anyone can make improvements, they are welcome. Ground Zero (talk) 22:03, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I like H over other choices. OhanaUnitedTalk page 01:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Counting the votes
Here is the tally of the first-ranked votes according to Dominion Voting Systems Inc.: After allocating the D E F votes according to preferences between G and H: Does anyone else want to vote? Does anyone want to change their vote? Does anyone want to audit the count? Ground Zero (talk) 12:23, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * H — 4½ votes
 * G — 2½ votes
 * D E F — one vote each
 * H — 6½ votes
 * G — 3½ votes


 * I'm happy with either G or H. Also, if you'll let work-me slip into the conversation here for a moment, @PPelberg (WMF) has been thinking about how people use votes on wiki and may be very interested in seeing this discussion. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:49, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, wow. This is precisely the kind of vote I'm glad to know about...thank you for the ping, @WhatamIdoing. I've added a link to this vote to the ticket where we are thinking about how we might add support for voting-style discussions. See: T259865. PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 00:49, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Seeing no objections or guys wearing furs and horns, I've implemented banner H. Ground Zero (talk) 01:24, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Our Main Page, our Facebook page, and the end of COVID
Now that several COVID vaccines have been developed and approved, mass inoculation campaigns are ramping up, and we can begin to envision a future return to normalcy in a more than theoretical way, let's talk about at what point we can remove the COVID-19 banner from our Main Page, the special COVID-19 message from our Facebook page, and the warningboxes from individual articles. Obviously now's not the time, but all the same it would be nice if we clarified in advance what needs to happen before we as a community feel comfortable doing those things. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:21, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed. I think we have to keep in mind that Covid-19 will be "over" in industrialized countries that have access to the vaccines long before it will be over in developing countries. We may have to re-write those messages first, and remove them later. Ground Zero (talk) 00:32, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I think we should talk about this later, when it's warranted. But it won't be the end of COVID-19, just the end of the pandemic. The disease is likely to continue to be endemic in many places for quite a while. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:44, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I can foresee a situation where the (north hemisphere) summer makes numbers go down in many countries like last year, and that vaccines get the credit although only a moderate percent of the populations have got vaccinated. If so, I think we should have decided on how to react (i.e. the decision should be made in a few months). I suppose we should rewrite the warnings etc. about at that time. In autumn we'll see whether there will be one more wave even in these countries. Before New Year vaccines should have made life go about back to normal in many countries, but not in all the world. Then we need new updates. What they'll be like, we cannot know yet.


 * So I think we can postpone most of the discussion, but we should have decided not to join the first wave of people saying the pandemic is overcome.


 * –LPfi (talk) 10:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Even within the industrialised world, the vaccine rollouts are going at very different speeds. It's likely that some countries will be up and running by the summer, but not the majority of even the "rich" ones. So I think we're a fair way off removing the guidance from the Main page, though we may have to update it sooner rather than later.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:17, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Some countries will still maintain the quarantine system (like Australia) until it is fully over. Best to still keep it. TravelAroundOz (talk) 03:19, 13 March 2021 (UTC)


 * TravelAroundOz - But that's exactly why I'm asking the question. What exactly does "fully over" mean? How is it quantified? And if only one country, or only a few countries, are still under quarantine, do we really need a banner on the Main Page or would just a warningbox in the individual country article(s) suffice? The reason why I bring this up now is not because I think the end of the pandemic is imminent in the short term, but because I expect there to be - or rather, because given the enormity of the issue, there rightly should be - a protracted debate about the specifics of when and how to ease up on the warnings. If ever there were a decision that requires a true community-wide consensus, rather than a "consensus" crafted by one or two interested parties that the rest of the community just goes along with because they don't care either way, this is the one. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:28, 13 March 2021 (UTC)


 * One criterion is that WHO declares the pandemic to be over. Another is that major airline hubs no more have any special arrangements for the disease. After those are satisfied we can consider whether we still should have general warnings (e.g. for those who still are vulnerable) or just in select destination articles. We should of course reword the warnings earlier. –LPfi (talk) 08:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It's possible that the WHO might not ever say that COVID-19 is "over". I think they will reclassify it from "pandemic" to something else, perhaps "global epidemic" (which is the label they give to HIV/AIDS).  There isn't really a single accepted definition for the start or end of an epidemic. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:10, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

New banner for Covid-19 box (2021) -- for May
We've had the moai banner, which I really like, on the Main Page since the middle of January. Would there be any interest in changing things up up by putting the runner-up New York Pubouc Library lion picture (banner G, above) up for a while? Change on the Main Page is good for keeping things fresh. Ground Zero (talk) 22:43, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Sure, why not.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:51, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * OK with me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:56, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. Ground Zero (talk) 15:59, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

discover
@shb2000 @ikan kekek @selfie city, the second discover fact lacks a link which I thought all were supposed to have i think the link should be at "Montepulciano" but I can't edit the main page Tai123.123 (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * My mistake, and I just fixed it. Thanks for noticing. BTW the Discoveries aren't edited on the Main Page but in Template:Discover. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:22, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry I didn’t know Tai123.123 (talk) 15:23, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The discover bit gets updated from Template:Discover so the main page doesn't need to be edited every time it's updated, but nominations are added onto WV:Discover. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:42, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Why is Aotearoa omitted from the map?
Does anyone know how to get NZ back onto the map? I don't think the Kiwis will be happy with them being omitted here... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:45, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Screen Shot 2021-09-19 at 12.23.32 AM.png. My view (on laptop) cuts off everything east of Sri Lanka, including Oz. Do you have Australia on your view of the map? --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 04:23, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I can see everything up to New Caledonia Vanuatu. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:38, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Screen Shot 2021-09-19 at 15.38.32.png
 * Here's a view of my screen. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:40, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If I enable "Use Legacy Vector" in Preferences, I get your view. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 08:10, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ultimately, the trouble is with File:Bluemarble banner WV.jpg, which is used by mapbanner --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 08:14, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh :(. I guess this is just the umpteenth time that NZ has been omitted from a world map. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:22, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that brought the exact same up on File talk:Bluemarble banner WV.jpg. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:23, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * File:Blue Marble 2002.png includes NZ. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 09:56, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * My image cuts off around Rome/west coast of Angola; I wouldn’t think I’m seeing half the map. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 10:12, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Is it possible for you to upload a screenshot? (so I can visualise) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:27, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * That's... uhm... why is it causing that? Are you using a desktop? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:53, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I’ll check desktop. This is on an ipad. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 12:03, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Probably why. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:10, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Wrong link
@SHB2000 @SelfieCity the text that says off the beaten path on diablo range links to previous dotm not previous otbp Tai123.123 (talk) 14:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:05, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Changing Featured Travel Topic
@SHB2000 @SelfieCity @Ikan Kekek Shouldn't the featured travel topic be updated as it's the 21st Tai123.123 (talk) 00:15, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. I was going to do that in an hour but I realised its not daylight savings yet ;) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:21, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @SHB2000 I followed the instructions listed here but may of missed something, can you check i did it right. Tai123.123 (talk) 00:36, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah LGTM. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:37, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you Tai123.123 (talk) 00:42, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thanks for noting this. Sometimes we aren’t able to do it exactly on the minute. However, the reminders are always helpful! --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 01:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @SelfieCity can I have template editor, so I can edit main page (I think this let’s me edit main page right)? I promise I won’t do anything harmful and the page says I can request it from any admin. Tai123.123 (talk) 01:46, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:49, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you Tai123.123 (talk) 02:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

New COVID banner
Time to change it? We've had the same banner for a really long time now. <font face="BlinkMacSystemFont">SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:01, 1 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Since 5 May? How often should such a banner be changed? Those that don't visit the main page regularly, won't know the image has changed. Those that do, will be alerted that something has changed. Is that an effect we want or an effect we want to avoid? The change of DotMs etc. will still guarantee that the page is "dynamic". –LPfi (talk) 05:35, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see a reason for changing the banner now it is in place. What picture is used does not matter, in my opinion. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 21:34, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think there is merit in keeping the main page fresh by changing the pictures regularly. But what banner would you propose in place of the current one? Ground Zero (talk) 01:11, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * We keep it fresh by changing banners for featured articles. Changing the symbol without offering new content is misleading. Some readers might like the variation, but for others it is frustrating: clicking the main page as usual to read about a destination they see there is a new banner, click on it, and wonder, didn't I read this before? That is just a few seconds lost, so not on the scale where institutions force people to relearn their site, just to keep "fresh", but I wouldn't support a change for change's sake. Do it when there has been a major rewrite – or you find a new banner so astonishing that we just have to use it. –LPfi (talk) 07:11, 2 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep the current banner. Pashley (talk) 04:01, 3 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm open to having a new banner. Maybe not now but it can be changed in a few months. We started with sanitiser and currently have a picture demonstrating mask wearing. The next logical step would be a photo from commons:Category:COVID-19 vaccination. In most countries, the level of restrictions/quarantine when travelling between countries or regions is tied to your vaccination status so it's relevant. Gizza ( roam ) 23:09, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Removing COTM link from the main page
I think it would make sense to remove the link to the collaboration of the month from the main page, as it has now been inactive for about a year and a half. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 15:34, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree. —Granger (talk · contribs) 15:47, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree too. Ground Zero (talk) 15:59, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 16:01, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * What's cotm ;-) SHB2000 (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta.wikimedia) 22:37, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * COTM = Collaboration of the month, which last had a useful edit in October last year. AlasdairW (talk) 23:00, 16 December 2021 (UTC)