Talk:Kolkata/Archive (2006–2020)

Importing pictures from Wikipedia
Wikipedia decided on Kolkata, after a poll. By the way, is there any way to import Wikipedia pictures to Wikivoyage? (WT-en) Pradiptaray 16:25, 20 Jan 2006 (EST)


 * Generally, you can't, due to incompatible licensing. See Wikipedia.  (WT-en) Jonboy 16:28, 20 Jan 2006 (EST)

Calcutta should not be renamed to "Kolkata". Kolkata is city's official name; Calcutta is its most common English-language name, which is in accord with the article naming conventions. --(WT-en) Evan 08:05, 12 Feb 2004 (EST)

Why Kolkata and not Calcutta...
This article should be moved to Kolkata. Even though it is not as big a problem as for Mumbai, since Kolkata is not as common, we cannot continue to give incorrect naming to cities. I have given a more in-depth explanation at Talk:Bombay. It doesn't matter if they're the most common, they are incorrect! It's a bit like the Burma article, which remains Burma for no reason at all, when ALL countries of the world basically refer to it as Myanmar except the USA. (WT-en) Ronline 04:24, 6 May 2004 (EDT)

Text should use Calcutta
Without rendering an opinion on our naming policy.... I'd just like to say that I think the text should use the same name as the title of the article. And the text should use the so-called official name only if the title changes. -- 12:08, 3 Jan 2005 (EST)


 * I just made this change. I tried to avoid changing "Kolkata" to "Calcutta" in proper names. --(WT-en) Evan 12:12, 2 Dec 2005 (EST)

Calcutta - Kolkata debate
I notice that Evan's reasons for not changing the name used in Wikivoyage from Calcutta to Kolkata were given in Feb 2004 - almost two years ago. I am curretly in Kolkata/Calcutta and can categorically state that the title Calcutta is obslete here. Internationally, however, Calcutta may still be the most commonly used name. If that is the case, then Evan's argument still stands. However, I think that it may be time for review. Apologies for changing the title without due consideration of the policy.
 * Honestly, I have no strong feelings either way, about Kolkata or even Mumbai, where I stay. On Wikipedia, I would have strongly supported official names, on the ground that a city is entitled to decide what to call itself. But this is Wikivoyage, and understandably, the traveller comes first. Everyone who calls it Kolkata will know about Calcutta, but the reverse might not be true. On a travel site, change should necessarily be slower. -- (WT-en) Ravikiran 11:19, 30 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * I agree with your point, but I think that using old discontinued names rather than the new official one makes articles appear out of date. Likewise, deciding which name is the most popular one in English is subjective. Of course, if we google the name, the older one will show more articles because there have been more years over which to accumulate them, but that doesn't mean that the newer name is not presently the one favored in the English speaking world, especially by people who will be visiting the places to conduct business. Personally, I think that it would be easier if official names were used in the main article with a redirect link from the page with the old name. In this way, those who still use the discontinued name can find the article and, in addition, it would save the trouble of having to continuously reasses which name is the more popular in English - just a suggestion.
 * Your argument appears to be about the naming policy in general rather than Calcutta specifically. I suggest you make the comment on the appopriate page for discussing the policy in general -- Project:Article naming conventions. -- (WT-en) Colin 10:52, 2 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * Our goal is not to be behind the times, but to be exactly in the times -- neither ahead or behind.


 * Some more data points: I checked Google news search, and "Calcutta" is used in US and UK news sources about twice as often as "Kolkata" (I left out "black hole of Calcutta" and "Oh! Calcutta!"). In Canada, NZ, and Australia it was about even; Kolkata was about 8:1 in South Africa, and 5500:3400 in India proper.


 * Wikipedia uses Kolkata; the Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names prefers "Calcutta" and lists "Kolkata" as the "Bengali name". The Britannica Concise Encyclopedia has "Kolkata -- formerly Calcutta"; Webster's Online only has "Calcutta".


 * I think the scale is tipping towards Kolkata, but as far as I can tell "Calcutta" is still the most common English name for this place. --(WT-en) Evan 12:08, 2 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * Can we restart the debate??? It changed it's name FIVE years ago, and a city's name is what it decides to call itself, not what the world is stuck on. If most of the world started referring to New York as the capital of the U.S. would you put it down as the capital in the U.S. guide? I spent most of the last year in India, and pretty much everyone traveling there knows about Mumbai and Kolkata... and making it the official name on this site and others where people come to do their research before traveling will help to educate those who don't know, as opposed to continuing to drag out the issue. I propose instead of having the little reference 'also known as Kolkata' on the Calcutta page that it becomes 'previously Calcutta' on the Kolkata page... Wikivoyage could do a lot to help inform more people... oh, regarding the last sentence in Evan's post, English is a major language in India, and any Indian speaking in English would still refer to it as Kolkata, including non-Bengalis.  (WT-en) Cacahuate 08:40, 16 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Yes, it is definately time to change the names of the Indian cities to their official titles. So, unless there is any strong dissent, I propose changing Calcutta to Kolkata, Madras to Chennai, and Bombay to Mumbai with, of course, redirects from the old and now pretty much obsolete names. Personally, I think that the names used on Wikivoyage should always be those used by the city itself. Unlike written guides where people may look for a familiar title, and miss a new unfamiliar one, Wikivoyage has the advantage of redirect. So, in this way, the 'traveler first' policy is still protected, while at the same time its saves the almost impossible task of having to continuously assess which name is in most common useage - but that is a matter for a different debate. At the moment, I just want to propose changing the names of the cities mentioned above. Thanks. (WT-en) WindHorse 10:05, 16 October 2006 (EDT)


 * I see that the title of the Madras article has already been changed to Chennai. (WT-en) WindHorse 10:09, 16 October 2006 (EDT)


 * I have to prefer Calcutta since it's common and familiar for most English speakers. I think most Wikivoyagers have a deeper understanding of cultures than most other travellers and we have to cater to the travellers that don't know as much about Indian cultures as we do.  I'll use my friend as an example.  If I showed "Kolkata" to my friend he would think it was a marsupial, that's commonly mistaken as a 'bear', native to Australia.  If I showed him "Calcutta" he would know that it's a place in India.  As for Bombay I'm neither for or against renaming it to Mumbai, since the official name is becoming increasingly known amongst English speakers. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 10:45, 16 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Mumbai is becoming increasingly known because people are using it, which is what I propose we do! i learned about 'Mumbai' when I was researching my first trip to india in 2002, and at that time it felt really silly to say it. Now most english speaking travelers in India use it. While Kolkata is still slightly behind, I hear it increasingly more often from foreigners as well, and exclusively from Indians... And a mistake being a common mistake doesn't make it a justified mistake... (WT-en) Cacahuate 10:55, 16 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Good point, Sapphire. I appreciate your feed back. However, I contest that if your friend typed in Calcutta, he would still get the info he wanted as there would be an automatic redirect Calcutta -> Kolkata (he wouldn't get a marsupial). However, I appreciate that he would have difficultly locating the place among the list of cities on the main India page, so to cover for that there would need to be 'a formely known as ...' bracket next to the entry. Furthermore, the opening line on the city article would refer to the fact that the city was previously called Calcutta - so there could be no mistake. As I said, it is always very difficult to assess which name is currently more popular. In the States the old name might still be in favor, but in Europe and English speaking areas of Asia, it might be different. If we google the title, then obviously the older one will show more hits as its had more time to accumulate them. Personally, I think its time to change, but if there is opposition to this, that's fine. We'll just leave it sit a few more years and then see how opinion flows. Thanks. (WT-en) WindHorse 11:20, 16 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Oh yeah, redirects. In that case I don't care either way.  Maybe redirect Koala? :) -- (WT-en) Sapphire 11:24, 16 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Good idea, and Mumbai could be a redirect to what - maybe marsupial? (WT-en) WindHorse 11:27, 16 October 2006 (EDT)


 * So are we in agreement for change? Anyone want to do the honors? WindHorse, you sound like you have all of the details down about which things need to go and direct where... (WT-en) Cacahuate 01:46, 17 October 2006 (EDT)


 * I'll leave it sit a few more days to guage sentiment, because it is not just a matter of arranging a redirect, but references to Calcutta in all articles will also need to be changed - and I don't want to have to revert everything if someone calls foul later. (WT-en) WindHorse 02:46, 17 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Changing the article naming conventions requires a discussion on Project:article naming conventions. Also see Project:Why Wikivoyage doesn't use official names for some common arguments about using official names.


 * If we're willing to stick with the current rules, let's see if "Kolkata" is yet the most common English name. I realize that "most common English name" seems subjective, but it's fairly easy to find backup support for some of these points. Here's my latest search of Google News references:


 * Once again we've got North America with strong trends on using the traditional name, an ambivalent result in the UK, and some strong usage of the new name in the rest of the world. Comparing this to the results I got last year (see above), I think the preference for Calcutta is eroding. I'm not sure it's clearly swung in the other direction, though. --(WT-en) Evan 12:21, 18 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Interesting results - what's your feeling - wait a while or take the plunge for change? By the way, if you think we have difficuties deciding what to name places, check this out: (WT-en) WindHorse 12:27, 18 October 2006 (EDT)


 * My feeling is that we've seen most of the other Indian city name changes take hold, but the bigger and better-known cities are taking longer. It seems likely, barring another name change, that Kolkata will eventually become the most common name for this city. I think moving this article now will be slightly confusing for North American and UK residents, but I'd rather not waste more time and energy on this issue. --(WT-en) Evan 12:43, 18 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Yikes, from the numbers above it seems pretty clear to me that Kolkata is winning even more than I would have expected... only the Americans are holding things up and they need to learn... I'm American and I vote for Kolkata, but I'll let it rest if you want it to rest  :)   (WT-en) Cacahuate 04:15, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

Revival, again
Thinking more about this... Kolkata is sooo much more in use now within India that any traveler who's going there will be hard pressed not to know this name by the time they leave. Booking trains online, for instance, the Indian Railways site doesn't recognize Calcutta, you must type in Kolkata. Even if the majority of North Americans still refer to it as Calcutta, the majority of North Americans aren't going to India. This site is for those that are - the majority of which I personally think will already know about this name change. A few won't, naturally, but at this point I would argue that we'd be making the "traveler come first" by educating the few that don't know about the name change before they get there, helping them to avoid potential problems.

Also, is Kolkata any less the most common name than the other controversial ones that have all since been changed to official names? (Mumbai, Chennai, Myanmar) I really do think it's time to make the move on this one (WT-en) - Cacahuate 03:29, 20 February 2007 (EST)


 * I 100% agree. I was in Kolkata last year, and apart from a few public buildings, there was little evidence of the old name. Likewise, perhaps of more use to the traveler, airlines and trains now all use the name Kolkata. (WT-en) WindHorse 03:42, 20 February 2007 (EST)


 * Alrighty, I'm makin' the move! This is going to be interesting, so many links... (WT-en) - Cacahuate 21:15, 8 March 2007 (EST)

See section cleanup
Just wanted to note, I've overhauled the see section and divided it up... there was a ton of info there, and it was even bordering an itinerary or a walking tour, so I just want to throw a link here to the previous version in case anyone wants it for reference to create one of those or to make sure I didn't get rid of anything valuable. (WT-en) Cacahuate 07:20, 18 December 2006 (EST)

Map?
Please. Could someone find a map of Kolkata? I don't think I've ever seen one and the page needs it desperately!--(WT-en) Wandering 20:30, 15 June 2007 (EDT)


 * I've been meaning to make one for quite a while... I'll see if i can't do that in the next few weeks. It would at least be nice to have one that maps out the districts. Thanks for all your work on the article lately! Good job! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 21:46, 15 June 2007 (EDT)

Sleep
Moved hotels from article. Some of these are already included in their relevant district pages and the others should be inserted as well. --(WT-en) Wandering 14:50, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

All hotels moved into district sections. --(WT-en) Wandering 16:24, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

kolkata / NY
Kolkata isn't any new york. It's filthy, congested, stinking and last but not the least, awesome.

I agree, the Kolkata/New York analogy is problematic. New York is more like Mumbai, since both are major ports and the finicial capitals of their large countries. I think the metaphor should just be dropped since Kolkata may not have a good city to compare it to in the US.

-How about New Orleans?

District break-up
I think it's high time some one split this city up into disrticts. Otherwise it'll be the same old story as it was (no, IS) with Bangalore and Chennai, there'll be 100 See listings, 200 Do's and the article will be stuck in usable status.

Here's my proposal


 * South Kolkata
 * Esplanade
 * Maidan
 * DumDum
 * East Kolkata

Any suggestions?? (WT-en) Upamanyuwiki • (Talk) • 10:16, 4 March 2007 (EST)

Well, I was sorta working towards that in the "see" section... the subdivisions I made there were how I was thinking... not too different from what you're doing -


 * BBD Bagh
 * Maidan
 * Chowringee
 * Salt Lake City - Maybe Kolkata/East is better
 * Kolkata/South

p.s... it's probably better to work this out first and wait more than 1 day before creating the articles, in case there's any opposition or suggestions, etc... but thanks for pushing this along! Anyone else care to comment? (WT-en) - Cacahuate 03:39, 7 March 2007 (EST)


 * Hey, I've already gone and districtified the stuff because no one was bothering to reply (so I though I'd plunge forward!)

P.S. I'm from Calcutta (I don't live there now but I was born there and still go there twice/thrice a year) and I don't think that Chowringhee would be a good district, it's a street that runs paralled to the Maidan on the Eastern Side. BBD Bagh and Central Calcutta is included in Esplanade (the more generic term) so I think my break-up is quite OK :) (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 07:26, 8 March 2007 (EST) PPS. Hey Cacahuate, please check out Shimla now and gimme some feedback!

I don't know much about Calcutta, so all I can say is, if it is natural, unambiguous and covers the whole of Cal, then we've got the right districtification. &mdash; (WT-en) Ravikiran 07:37, 8 March 2007 (EST)


 * It is all 3. So then that means you're fine with it ... (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 07:42, 8 March 2007 (EST)
 * I know a little bit about Kolkata (though am far from an expert) and the the districtification seems fine to me. (WT-en) WindHorse 11:14, 8 March 2007 (EST)


 * OK, sounds good then... I moved them along with the major Calcutta -> Kolkata shift I just made... should we create Kolkata/Howrah? (WT-en) - Cacahuate 21:45, 8 March 2007 (EST)


 * No. Howrah is a separate city and is in the Howrah district. The city of Calcutta lies within the N. 24 Parganas, S. 24 Parganas and Calcutta Minicipal districts. Howrah should have a separate article. It's also on the other side of the river, to the west. There's no denying the fact that it is part of the Cal Megapolis, but that stretches till the harbor and as far as Kaharagpur (over 100km w. of Howrah). We can make that a sub-region of West Bengal and Howrah can fall within it. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 04:35, 9 March 2007 (EST)


 * Yes, good point... I've turned Howrah into an article now instead of redirecting to Kolkata, so any listings can be moved there from that page (WT-en) - Cacahuate 20:26, 9 March 2007 (EST)

So are the Planetarium, Indian Museum and St Paul's in Esplanade or Maidan? I would've thought Maidan, especially since Park St seems to be included in Maidan, and these sights (I think) are inbetween Park St and the park itself (WT-en) - Cacahuate 20:45, 9 March 2007 (EST)
 * Yes, sir, you got two out of three, but the Indian Museum is Esplanade as it north of Park Street, near the junction with Sudder Street (if my my memory doesn't fail me). I'll move the other two over to Maidan. (WT-en) WindHorse 10:33, 10 March 2007 (EST)

still needs clarification
Let's finally get this mess cleaned up. I made a (very raw) sketch based on the outlines discussed so far: map-outlines

Questions:

1. Where are actually city boundaries? So where do the fringes end?

Answer: Depends, Kolkata city endds roughly on the EM bypass to the east, the Hooghly river to the west, DUmDUm to the north and maybe, Tollygunj to the south. Kolkata Metropolitan area, comprises of everything such as Salt Lake City, New Town and Rajarhat, parts of Howrah.

2. Parkstreet in Maidan or Esplanade?

Maidan is exactly not a single place. Parkstreet is a long road linking the Park Circus 7 point crossing to the Maidan and esplanade. Although visitors are more interested to the area near the Maidan/Esplanade.

3. Strand Rd, Eden Garden: Where do we draw the line between Maidan - Esplanade?

Where the Park Street meets the Chowranghee Road.

4. Park Circus: In Maidan, South or Esplanade?

Park Circus is neither in the above. Near to the eastern area of the city, linking the science city, the Eastern Metropolitan Bypass(EM Bypass) and the Salt Lake City.

5. East of Maidan: Where does Maidan's east end? Gopalpur, Rajahat, Garden Reach - Are they Southern fringes?

Maidan Ends with Victoria Memorial building. Rajarhat is East kolkata Township, Garden Reach is the docks at the south fringes.

6. Tangra - where to put it?

Tangra is the East kolkata.

7. Kasba, Haltu - where to put them?

Kasba, Haltu are the southern fringes. Mostly not in the Kolkata Municipality.

8. Is it ok to throw "East Calcutta Township"/... in one pot with Saltlake?

No, Salt Lake City is around for neary 3 decades now, East Calcutta Township is comparatively new.

9. Dum Dum into East Kolkata with Saltlake? Including North Dum Dum and the airport?

DumDum is actually North Calcutta, please dont mix DumDum with DumDum Airport.

10. Where is the Northern boarder of North (and East) districts / the Southern boarder of the Northern fringes?

Northern Border for the Metropolitan Area streches upto maybe Barrackpore(military barracks), Southern extends till Joka (with the IIMs and many resorts).

''Okay, I think that's it - too many questions, I know ... and I apologize for that.'' So just answer some question if you can

My thoughts:

to 2. Right now it is in both district articles (although more in Maidan).

to 3. I would leave Eden Garden with Maidan, as it is kind of part of the Maidan sport/park areas.

(WT-en) Sebindi 07:35, 4 April 2010 (EDT)


 * I can't be of any help at all I am afraid as I know zilch about Kolkata. I would suggest though that as the districtification has been pending for years now, wait about 14 days for comments, and if none come just plunge forward with your own plan, always updating the intended scheme here. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:19, 4 April 2010 (EDT)

Giant airline/busline lists
As a general rule we do not attempt to maintain detailed transport schedules/routes, and we discourage giant lists of things, so I have removed the following from the article. Texugo (talk) 18:38, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Scheduled Passenger Airlines
 * Air India (All India, Kathmandu, Yangon and Dhaka).
 * Jet Airways (All India, Bangkok and Dhaka).
 * Indigo (All India, Bangkok).
 * SpiceJet (All India).
 * Emirates (Dubai).
 * Qatar Airways (Doha).
 * Singapore Airlines, SilkAir (Singapore).
 * Dragonair (Hong Kong).
 * China Easter Airlines (Kunming).
 * Thai Airways (Bangkok).
 * Thai AirAsia (Bangkok).
 * AirAsia (Kuala Lumpur).
 * Druk Air (Paro).
 * Biman Bangladesh (Dhaka).
 * United Airways (Dhaka).
 * GoAir (All India)

Trains originating from Howrah Station are :

Rajdhani Express

 * Howrah - New Delhi Rajdhani Express via Gaya
 * Howrah - New Delhi Rajdhani Express via Patna

AC Duronto Express

 * Howrah Mumbai CST Duronto Express
 * Howrah-Pune Duronto Express
 * Howrah - Yesvantpur Duronto Express
 * Howrah Digha Duronto Express
 * Howrah - New Delhi Duronto Express

Shatabdi Express

 * Howrah - Ranchi Shatabdi Express
 * Howrah - New Jalpaiguri Shatabdi Express
 * Howrah - Puri Shatabdi Express

Jan Shatabdi Express

 * Howrah-Patna Jan Shatabdi Express
 * Howrah-Bhubaneswar Jan Shatabdi Express
 * Howrah-Barbil Jan Shatabdi Express

Garib Rath

 * Howrah-Puri Garib Rath Express

Double Decker Express

 * Howrah - Dhanbad Double Decker Express

Superfast
Trains originating from Kolkata Station are:
 * Howrah - New Delhi Yuva Express
 * Howrah-Secunderabad Falaknuma Express
 * Poorva Express (via Gaya)
 * Poorva Express(via Patna)
 * Howrah-Chennai Central Coromandel Express
 * Howrah-New Delhi Express
 * Howrah Mail via Nagpur
 * Howrah-Jammu Tawi Himgiri Express
 * Howrah-Mumbai LTT Jnaneshwari Express
 * Howrah-Mumbai CST Gitanjali Express
 * Howrah-Mumbai CST Weekly Superfast Express
 * Howrah-Mumbai LTT Samarsata Express
 * Mumbai Mail via Allahabad
 * Howrah-Pune Azad Hind Express
 * Howrah-Puri Dhauli Express
 * Howrah-Tatanagar Steel Express
 * Howrah-Titlagarh Ispat Express
 * Howrah-Indore Shipra Express
 * Howrah-Gandhidham Garbha Express
 * Howrah-Sambalpur Express
 * Howrah-Asansol Agniveena Express
 * Howrah-Dhanbad Coalfield Express
 * Howrah-Purulia Express
 * Howrah-Purulia Lalmati Express
 * Howrah-Jabalpur Shaktipunj Express
 * Howrah-Jamalpur Express
 * Howrah-Dibrugarh Kamrup Express
 * Howrah-Delhi/Rajgir Janta Express
 * Samleshwari Express
 * Howrah-Hatia Express
 * Howrah-Dehradun Doon Express
 * Howrah-Puri Sri Jagannath Express
 * Howrah-Kathgodam Bagh Express
 * Howrah-Malda Town Intercity Express
 * Howrah-Ranchi Intercity Express via Asansol.
 * Howrah-Ranchi Intercity Express via Tatanagar
 * Howrah-Azimganj Kaviguru Express
 * Howrah-Bhopal Express
 * Howrah-Hyderabad East Coast Express
 * Howrah-Bolpur Kaviguru Express
 * Howrah-Siuri Hool Express
 * Howrah-Dhanbad Black Diamond Express
 * Howrah-Azimganj Gandevta Express
 * Howrah-Digha Kandari Express
 * Howrah-Vasco-da-Gama Amravathi Express
 * Howrah-Siuri Intercity Express


 * Kolkata-Patna Garib Rath
 * Kolkata - Guwahati Garib Rath Express
 * Kolkata-Amritsar Superfast Express
 * Kolkata-Bikaner Pratap Superfast Express
 * Kolkata-Delhi Lal Quila Express
 * Kolkata - Haldibari InterCity Express
 * Maithili Express
 * Kolkata-Jogbani Express
 * Kolkata-Jaynagar Weekly Express
 * Kolkata-Sitamarhi Mithilanchal Express
 * Kolkata-Radhikapur Express
 * Kolkata-Gorakhpur Poorvanchal Express via Muzaffarpur
 * Kolkata-Gorakhpur Poorvanchal Express via Ballia
 * Kolkata-Gorakhpur Poorvanchal Express via Narkatiaganj
 * Kolkata-Jammu Tawi Express
 * Kolkata-Muzaffarpur Tirhut Express
 * Kolkata-Giridih Link Express
 * Kolkata-Berhampore Court Dhanya Dhaanya Express
 * Kolkata-Balurghat Tebhaga Express
 * Kolkata-Dibrugarh Superfast Dihing Express
 * Kolkata-Nangal Dam Gurumukhi Superfast Express
 * Kolkata-Ajmer Weekly via Kota Express
 * Kolkata-Agra Cannt Superfast Express
 * Kolkata-Ajmer Weekly via Nimach Express
 * Kolkata-Lalgola Hazarduari Express
 * Kolkata-Jhansi Pratham Swatantrata Sangram Express
 * Kolkata-Dhaka Cantt Maitree Express - the only international train between India and Bangladesh
 * Kolkata-Azamgarh Weekly Express


 * Shalimar - Bhuj Weekly SF Express (Via Tatanagar-Bilaspur-Bhopal)
 * Shalimar - Lokmanya Tilak Terminus Mumbai Express (Via Nagpur-Itwari)
 * Shalimar - Secunderabad Express (Via Bhubaneswar)
 * Shalimar - Trivandrum Central Thiruvananthapuram Express
 * Shalimar - Trivandrum Central - Nagercoil Gurudev Superfast Express
 * Shalimar - Gorakhpur Bhojpuri Express (Via Tatanagar-Purulia)
 * Shalimar - Baripada Express
 * Shalimar - Puri Superfast Express
 * Shalimar - Visakhapatnam Superfast Express
 * Shalimar - UdaipurCity Express
 * Shalimar - Bankura Rajya Rani Express
 * Shalimar - Bhojudih Aranyak Express
 * Shalimar - Patna Duronto Express
 * Shalimar - Chennai Superfast Express

Header Image Suggestion
For this page header image I tried to add the following image File:Saltlake Sector V.jpg. I think this is a better representation of Kolkata than the previous Image. The content of previous image of taxis etc. is common in many more Indian cities. So I request to replpace the current image. --Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 09:22, 10 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I find that image uninteresting, and it's already used in one of the district articles, is it not? Pagebanners shouldn't be used on more than one article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:31, 10 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I think I can see my office on that image :)
 * Every major Indian city has a skyline of new office buildings. In fact it is already used for the Salt Lake area article for Kolkata/East Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:46, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Is there any rule that a page banner can't be used in two pages??? Ikan Kekek (talk)--Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 03:58, 13 January 2015 (UTC)--Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 03:58, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Even if there wasn't a rule, the image that you are proposing is really uninteresting. It could be an office park somewhere in the United States. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 04:06, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Besides, while I don't know whether or not it's been codified as a rule, it has been generally agreed, and consensuses drive policy on this site. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:21, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

New Photo for Banner
Dear Ikan Kekek (talk), Andrewssi2 (talk)here is a new suggestion for the the banner photo, please do have a look File:Howrah Bridge, Kolkata.jpg--Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 16:21, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


 * It's a nice banner, but Howrah has no custom banner, so perhaps this should be Howrah's banner. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:59, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Dear Ikan Kekek (talk) the Howrah Bridge connects Kolkata with Howrah and its is a major landmark of Kolkata and not of Howrah, so I would suggest, to use it in the Kolkata page rather than Howrah page.--Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 08:09, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


 * How is it not a major landmark of Howrah as well as of Kolkata, given that it connects the two cities? In any case, even if you think that banner is not appropriate for Howrah, the fact is that that article lacks any banner, whereas Kolkata does have a banner, and the creation of a banner for an article that has none takes precedence over the replacement of a banner on an article that has one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:44, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Dear Ikan Kekek (talk)all I want to say is the the the content of current banner image of taxis etc. is common in many more Indian cities and in no way significant to Kolkata. It is the same logic that was given for my previous banner suggestion. We can also use the photo for both the Howrah and Kolkata page. --Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 17:33, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


 * No, we shouldn't use the same banner for two pages. We've discussed that point before, have we not? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:56, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


 * The funny thing about this discussion is that Kolkata has so many distinctive landmarks/buildings. Check Kolkata Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:11, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Dear Andrewssi2 (talk) the Wikipedia Kolkata page has the photo of Howrah Bridge in its title image, so I don't understand why it can't be used in the Wikivoyage Kolkata page??? Also Ikan Kekek (talk) I think there is no rule that a photo can be used in banner for two pages, this was discussed earlier. —The preceding comment was added by Rangan Datta Wiki (talk • contribs)


 * User:Rangan Datta Wiki, why don't you propose on Wikivoyage talk:Banner expedition to allow the same custom pagebanner to be used on two or more pages? I think you will probably get 0 votes in support and several votes against, but go ahead. I think it's already clear that there's a working consensus against such an action. Consensuses on this site don't all have to be written up as rules, and your arguing a matter of site-wide policy on this thread will produce no results other than "No."


 * Now, as for whether your proposed banner can or cannot be used for Kolkata, that's not the issue. As I said before, but you don't seem to be listening, Kolkata already has a pagebanner, Howrah has none, and — well, just reread what I wrote above. Unless you have a new point to make, I think I'm done here, with all due respect. Have a great day. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:10, 30 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually, I tried previewing the file you linked as a pagebanner for Howrah, and it seems too hazy to me. This file is very big and might be possible to turn into a pagebanner for Howrah if someone wants to try cropping it appropriately: Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:20, 1 February 2015 (UTC) Howrah Bridge et les ablutions dans la Howrah.jpg