Talk:Kitsap Peninsula

Hello and welcome to Kitsap. One of the things I like about Wikivoyage is that it has the potential to be a great equalizer of knowledge. Kitsap is an amazing but often overlooked place, I'm hoping that Wikivoyage will start to change that and I'm excited to do my share. Lumpytrout (talk) 13:07, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

lighthouses
I know of three lighthouses on Kitsap (and fox island) that I listed here, but are there more? I realize that this would make for a great Kitsap tour. Lumpytrout (talk) 16:48, 16 February 2013 (UTC) I tracked down a fourth, but I'm sure that must be it. I've learned a lot about lighthouses in the process. Lumpytrout (talk) 05:41, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

golf courses
anyone want to help expand golfing section? I know that Kitsap has 3 of the top 5 courses in the state but I don't know much about golf myself.Lumpytrout (talk) 16:12, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

County Parks
County Parks should be listed individually, but the list is too long. Any ideas how to break this down better? Many county parks are bigger and better than the state parks but this list is HUGE. Lumpytrout (talk) 18:40, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Manual of style
getting flagged for non standard use of manual of style, I think its because of the embedded links to state parks? Should the links just be removed? Does anyone have any good examples of how other areas have handled this well? Lumpytrout (talk) 19:06, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * (copied from my talk page:) Hi. Did you see my explanation inside the style tag itself? I mostly tagged it because of the front-linked listings, but generally these kinds of listing should be listed in the See section of the nearest city, with the region page only highlighting them with one-liner listings which point to the city articles with the actual details. If necessary, you can make a "Further afield" subsection of the See section in the appropriate article.Texugo (talk) 19:24, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm working on this, its a little messy right now but will get better as I track down all the info and figure out a better way to put it together and get it into the wikivoyage standard format. I don't have a great way to put this all together but I do think that it will be doing a great service to this article when I can get it all together. I realize that most areas of the world are broken up by cities and parks are secondary, but Kitsap is almost the opposite of that. The state parks and natural areas are what makes it special and the cities are secondary importance and I hope that this entry will ultimately reflect that.Lumpytrout (talk) 05:39, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

bike trails
I would like to post more maps and resources for exploring Kitsap by bike but I'm having a hard time finding good non copyrighted resources, anyone have ideas? --Lumpytrout (talk) 16:42, 23 February 2013 (UTC)


 * If you'd like to try making your own map see How to draw a map. Otherwise it might be sufficient for now to just add listings to the article for some of the trails and areas that people go to for biking, and if/when a Kitsap Peninsula map is created in the future then the trails can be included in it. -- Ryan &bull; (talk) &bull; 17:33, 23 February 2013 (UTC)


 * thanks Ryan, I'm slogging through the howto map section, at last that art degree is actually going to come in handy for something. --Lumpytrout (talk) 01:32, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

list of towns
Kitsap has a lot of amazing small 'towns', but lets agree that they should not be in this section unless they offer some retail, boat launch or some other amazing quality that can't be found elsewhere. There are already a few on the list that probably should not be on there and I have a fear that there could be many more. --Lumpytrout (talk) 01:34, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Herron Island
You're creating a nice article here! :-) Good work. Just wanted to remind you of Herron Island, which we should still integrate here, as indeed it shouldn't have its own entry. I would say it probably belongs under the "see" section. Perhaps there are other particularly scenic islands or places that would be good to boat around? As an aside.. the convention centre, is that really a "sight", like something a tourist would go and see as an attraction? If not, I would suggest creating a cope section and putting it there. That would also be the place for other practical things, like a library or so. I'll go ahead and move the casino to the "do" section (where we normally put them). JuliasTravels (talk) 11:36, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Julia, sorry I just noticed this, thanks for the input. I'm still doing a little digging into Herron Island, I've got a few clues that it may not be as private as the people that live there want it to seem.  There are a few islands like it that are somewhat scenic and may be in interesting locations but may or may not have public access.  I will post some more on this after I do some research. Lumpytrout (talk) 20:46, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Listings
There are an awful lot of listings in this article; where possible, they should be moved to city or park articles. LtPowers (talk) 14:08, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey LT, that is true and I've been struggling with this issue. I do for example think that this is the best place for a comprehensive list of state parks (even though its a long list) as many of them are not near any cities, don't even have addresses or are islands.  Believe it or not this is part of the bigger issue I've been having with wikivoyage articles basic urban/rural structure, I will post something more about it in the pub when I can put something more comprehensive together.  The Puget Sound region in general is a tough place to categorize by wikivoyage standards because of its unusual city/island/rural/urban breakdown.  Many of the 'towns' in this area are not much more than a marina and a convenience store but they could be the key area for someone navigating the area. Lumpytrout (talk) 20:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * okay, I'm replying to myself now...but another good example in the marine conservation areas. Not only are many of them not near any cities, but they are out in the Puget Sound between several regions.  There really is not a good clear place to put these or to look for them as a traveler so they end up being listed in several locations.  I'm not saying this is good, just that I don't have any better solution right now and I have not seen it dealt with well anywhere else on wikivoyage. Lumpytrout (talk) 21:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That happens with wilderness areas, and is fairly unavoidable. If they're not strongly associated with any one community, then it's fine to list them here.  (Though large state parks with camping/lodging facilities should probably have their own articles).  But things like restaurants and breweries and things in a location should go in the article for the nearest community.  LtPowers (talk) 00:26, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I put breweries, distilleries and winery's in this section if they produce a product that is available in other areas. You can drink Silver City Brewery beers in other towns for example.  If I didn't also list them in whatever town they are located then I'm just lame.  I'm trying to avoid posting on things that I don't know well and I don't know most of these parks yet (I'm planning on visiting more this summer), I started an entry for Blake Island State Park and once I get that cleaned up and figured out then I will start some article for more of them. Lumpytrout (talk) 12:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, if they're already in a city article, then they can be listed here, but they shouldn't have full listings. The reason for that is two-fold: one, so that new contributors know that listings always appear in bottom-level articles, and two, so that only one listing needs to be updated in the event of a change.  So you could say something like "Silver City Brewery's award-winning beers are sold throughout the region, and their brewery in Bremerton, Washington, is open for tours."  LtPowers (talk) 15:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I have cleaned up the listings to remove the detailed listing that do not belong in region articles. Most of these listing were duplicated in city articles, but I have checked to make sure that I am not removing information from Wikivoyage. The articles still has way too may destinations in it. Because we are blessed with so much great information about this region, the article is overcrowded with destinations, and should be split into subregions, i.e., North Kitsap, Central Kitsap, South Kitsap and Key Peninsula. Ground Zero (talk) 21:38, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Herron Island
Over the years I created some pages for areas I wanted to visit but had not had a chance to get to. One of those places was Herron Island in the South Puget Sound region of Washington State off of the Kitsap Peninsula. Unfortunately it is considered a 'private island' with limited access so the page was eliminated since this violated wikivoyage rules.

However this next week I have rented an airbnb on the island and I'm finally getting a chance to visit this next week. Is there some work around that this page could be reinstated? I would love to develop it since I will be visiting and I think that it should qualify for being on wikivoyage since you can in fact visit it via a vacation rental. Thoughts?

--Lumpytrout (talk) 15:19, 6 August 2016 (UTC)


 * If it's a tiny place the preference would be to put the info into the next article up the hierarchy, but if that doesn't make sense - currently Herron Island redirects to Kitsap Peninsula, which is a pretty broad area - then I'd suggest starting an article and at worst we can merge it later if there isn't enough to support a standalone article. Private islands generally don't get their own articles if they aren't somewhere that you can visit, but the fact that you're going there and staying in an Air B&B is evidence that an article about this place should at least be considered. -- Ryan &bull; (talk) &bull; 17:34, 6 August 2016 (UTC)