Talk:Jinan

July 2017
I'm an annual visitor to Jinan with family there; will adopt this article and continue to improve into the future. Haven't signed in as my username this weekend due to forgetting the password. The article was severely out-of-date and is missing lots of information, particularly on the sight-seeing aspects. Compared to many other provincial capitals the article is very poor and I want to promote a realistic and better view of the city to encourage more visits.

Am also going to donate some personal photos to wikivoyage to improve the article and also going for 3 weeks to Jinan in September and will make an effort to visit as many places I've not previously been to as possible so that I can make the most up-to-date article possible. -- Unsigned comment by User:94.31.13.5
 * Thank you for your contributions. I look forward to seeing more updates from you. Plunge forward with your overhaul. The article could use it. Ground Zero (talk) 13:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Updates and Things To Do

 * More work on the food section; the splurge section will have to be completed largely by research as my in-laws would have a fit paying some of the prices. XierZhanmusi (talk) 22:16, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * More research on the Sleep section; this is a bit difficult as I have never stayed at a hotel in the city.

Signing on now with my full-time username; I'll use this most of the time but may make anonymous edits occasionally too; e.g. lunchtime at work or when I'm logged in at the university. -- User:XierZhanmusi, 26 July 2017

Best Article Structures?
Would like some opinions from regular editors on the following questions?

How to direct reader's attention to sites / things-to-do that are highly recommended compared to those that are not worth visiting on short trips? Jinan is a large city with 7 districts; however, the districts are not a useful guide to which sites are geographically close; how best to deal with that? As the article gets larger, would it be better to have different more detailed articles for the districts, and then a main article which highlights the most interesting places? -- User:XierZhanmusi, 26 July 2017


 * I'll leave some links on your talk page. When you are signed in, please remember to sign your talk page comments by putting four gilded at the end, like this: ~. This will put you under name and the date and time on your comments do that people know who wrote thrm. (Don't do this in the article, though.) Thanks.
 * The best way to identify what is best to see and what is less important is in the text that you write: "one of Jinan's highlights", "a must-see for any visitor", "interesting to see if you have more time in the city", "only for people with a strong interest in 19th century temples". I hope that helps. Ground Zero (talk) 03:06, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * okay, thanks, I'll try to make the descriptions clearer. XierZhanmusi (talk) 16:04, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Questions
Is the drinks section only for alcohol? Or can this section be used for coffee shops, tea houses, juice bars, any place where you go to drink something and where food is not the main purpose? As the previous authors noted, Jinan is not big on pubs and clubs (although I'm sure there must be some, my wife doesn't let me look).

Also, do you know why the editor mixes up highlighting centers and centres as incorrect? Which one should I use? I started using centres because I'm British but it actually looks quite old-fashioned to me now. XierZhanmusi (talk) 22:16, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Also, what should go into the Do section and what should go into the See section? In my mind, See should include museums and art galleries as you go there to look at things. Do would be more action oriented things such as rock climbing, water skiing, swimming, etc. Where should something like visiting a theme park or walking around a scenic area fit in? XierZhanmusi (talk) 22:29, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * It looks like you deleted my previous reply by accident. I'd put theme parks and suggested hikes in "Do", although scenic spots that are mainly just to look and not hike to could be put in "See"; it's a judgment call. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:44, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I had some connection problems yesterday and at times was getting errors while saving changes so that's why your answer may have disappeared. XierZhanmusi (talk) 13:37, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

I see no problem with including tea houses in the drink section. Wikivoyage uses American spelling unless there is a connection to UK (or Canadian or Australian, etc.) spelling -- you wouldn't use US spelling for Cardiff, Winnipeg or Brisbane. 'Center' looks garish to me, but it is what our policy would recommend for China. I don't think anyone would be offended if you use centre, but do be consistent one way or the other. Ground Zero (talk) 22:22, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, please list coffee shops, tea houses and juice bars. You can put them in one or more separate sub-sections if there are enough listings for that to make things easier to read. In terms of spelling, I remember from my previous trips to China (most recently in 2004) that "centre" was used, but you would be more up to date on that. If British spellings are still more commonly used, use those spellings in this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:26, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Climate
Is there an automatic method of pulling in the climate from Wikipedia / Wikidata or do the numbers have to be entered manually? XierZhanmusi (talk) 18:50, 31 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Not as far as I know. I copy Template:Climate to a text file, type in the data for the destination (usually just high and low temperatures and rain) from WP or climate-data.org and copy everything to the article. It takes just a couple of minutes. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:12, 31 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Please also make sure to credit your source with a link if there is direct copying. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:58, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Getting in
There's no 'add listings' in the transport section although other articles such as 'Chengdu' have them. I personally think it's useful to show train station, airport, bus station locations and could copy a listing template in from somewhere else but wanted to know is it intentional that listings can't be added to this section? XierZhanmusi (talk) 12:44, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * You can use a generic "listings" template - it is the "i" icon at the right hand side of the list of icons. I don't know if there is any policy against using listings for stations and airports. Ground Zero (talk) 12:56, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Listings says "Wikivoyage uses standardized formats to list attractions and monuments, activities, shops, restaurants, bars and lodgings under the See, Do, Buy, Eat, Drink and Sleep sections respectively" and "If the listing doesn't fit into one of the above categories, you can use the "listing" tag for a generic one." It is silent on using templates in "Get in" or "Get around", as is Article templates/Sections, so I think you can use the listings template, unless anyone else is aware of another policy. Ground Zero (talk) 13:03, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Locations with Multiple points of interest
There are 2 questions:


 * Does anyone have a good example of a location as a listings template, which also has further listings within it? I thought I'd read that this is possible and would want to use it for Daming Lake, Baotu Spring, and Qianfo Mountain for example, because each has multiple points of interest (some with extra fees too).


 * Also, how should I treat a location which has different points of interest from different categories? For example, the luxury hotels often have the hotel, a bar or cafe, and a restaurant, which in a couple of cases could each be justified as going into the Sleep, Eat and Drink sections separately. XierZhanmusi (talk) 15:32, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


 * (1) You can see examples of this at Rome/Vatican.


 * (2) In exceptional cases, it's justifiable for the same business to have two separate listings. The test for whether a hotel restaurant merits its own separate listing in the "Eat" section is whether it is independently notable and widely patronized If not, it's normal to choose what is best known - the hotel or the restaurant - and cover the other function within its single "Sleep" or "Eat" listing. by non-guests. However, I think it's very unlikely that giving a business more than 2 listings could be justified. The bar could be mentioned within the "Eat" listing or the restaurant within the "Drink" listing, if they are in the same place or right next to each other, or one of them could be mentioned in the hotel's "Sleep" listing if they're separate businesses within the hotel. But ultimately, my advice would be for you to use your own judgment.


 * For your reference, here is the relevant text at Don't tout:


 * * Don't list the same place many times. Yes, a guesthouse may have a restaurant, a bar, an Internet café and a dance show, but you need to pick one of "See", "Eat", "Drink", "Sleep" and "Connect" to slot it under.  That said, exceptions can be made on a case-by-case basis if, for example, a hotel has a famous, separately named bar or restaurant that also draws significant numbers of non-resident customers (use the article's talk page to discuss these rare instances). Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:29, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Seeing & Doing (Again)
Is a zoo a doing thing rather than a seeing thing? Other articles I think put it in that section. XierZhanmusi (talk) 15:25, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


 * According to Where you can stick it, zoos belong in the "See" section of city articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:59, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link, still finding my way around. XierZhanmusi (talk) 21:02, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Districts
I saw a 'Districts' section in the Singapore article and would like to have a similar section in this article. Are there any tutorials on how to setup the maps in the way the author of that section did? I can see how to setup the text of course but wondered how he managed to code in the areas into the map. XierZhanmusi (talk) 15:26, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe Renek78 is the person to ask ϒpsilon (talk) 16:57, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Most cities on this site are not districted for the purposes of Wikivoyage. The only reason to create district articles is that there is too much content to reasonably fit it into one article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:14, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello Ikan, I'm not planning on creating district articles for Jinan at the moment, although I do think that would not be unreasonable for some major Chinese cities because the administrative areas of those cities is usually very large and encompasses a much wider space than most Western countries would define as a city. Many cities contain other cities with populations of a million+ which could certainly contain enough content for a district style article (such as Lushun in Dalian or even Zhangqiu in Jinan). This is just a peculiarity of the Chinese system of assigning huge areas to cities. What I want to do is to create a 'Districts' section on the Jinan page, which just describes the various districts and shows them on a map, just as there is on the Singapore page. All of the addresses I've entered include the district name and a Districts section would help give context to that. XierZhanmusi (talk) 23:31, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

TO BE MORE CLEAR AS I REALISE I DIDN'T EXPRESS WHAT I WANT TO DO CLEARLY ENOUGH: I don't want to add links to and create subpages for the various districts of Jinan, I just want to list the districts, have a short comment on them, and show them on a map. XierZhanmusi (talk) 23:36, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi XierZhanmusi, if you think you have enough content for a distrification of Jinan please go ahead. I thought of creating a Youtube video on how to make such a district map but haven't done so yet. Below is a quick overview of the most simple way to set up such a map:


 * Go to http://geojson.io and draw your districts with the function Draw a polygon. Click on each of your polygons to open the on-screen menu and change the color according to your preference.
 * Once finished copy the GeoJSON code to your clipboard.
 * Create a new Wikidata item for your map, e.g. c:Data:Jinan_Districts.map. Click on the Create button. Here you have to paste your GeoJSON code from 2. and save (example: c:Data:Singapore_City_Centre_Districts.map. Click on edit to better understand, how the code should look like).
 * Now on the Jinan - Wikivoyage page you have to link to the map on Wikidata by adding this code (map is empty at the moment because no map has been created on Wikidata yet):


 * That is all. Your main map is done.


 * Mapmasks for the district maps, which grey out everything beyond the district border (example: Amsterdam/Zuid), have to be created with help of
 * http://aaronpdennis.github.io/geojson-to-gpx/ - Copy the GeoJSON code of the relevant district (from step 1. above) to this website, click on convert. Paste into empty Notepad and save with .gpx extension.
 * http://maps.wikivoyage-ev.org/w/gpx2mapmask.php - Load the .gpx file from above to this website and click on Convert. Just paste the code created on this website below your mapframe in the district article.
 * That is all. Hopefully it is understandable. Three more comments:
 * Other guys on Wikivoyage are against this way to create district articles. See this lengthy discussion. I think both ways have pros and cons. It does not really matter which way to follow, in my opinion.
 * I personally do not use http://geojson.io to create the map but a tool called JOSM, which main purpose is to edit the OpenStreetMap. Advantage of this software is, that points of polygons can be snapped to other points, thus you get perfectly aligned borders between your districts.
 * Please ask, if you have questions. Hopefully I'll be able to help.
 * --Renek78 (talk) 23:22, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the instructions Renek78!!! XierZhanmusi (talk) 23:31, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


 * My feeling is that unless you are districting the city (creating a district map and articles for every district), it's better to have an "orientation" subsection of "Get around" that informs readers about districts they'd be particularly interested in and helps them orient themselves vis-à-vis important landmarks and intersections.


 * In terms of population, that really is not close to the sole governing factor behind districting or not districting on this site. Karachi has over 23,000,000 inhabitants but gets only one article on Wikivoyage because its attractions are mostly in one area of town; Richmond, Virginia has a population of only 200,000 but has been divided into 7 district articles (1 as yet a red link) because of the number of attractions that are in different parts of town.


 * Currently, China has Huge City articles (which means the cities are districted, with separate district articles) for Beijing, Dalian, Hong Kong if it counts, Macau if it counts, and Shanghai (Taipei if it counts, too). I feel sure that we'll eventually have so much information in articles for several other Chinese cities that districting will be advisable, but for the time being, there are various really big Chinese cities (Guangzhou and Chengdu come to my mind immediately) that merely have Big City articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:58, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Another issue with the Chinese cities is that administrative area is sometimes so enormous and so strangely shaped that it's not completely useful as the basis for an article. For example, there is a wildlife park / funfair near Jinan which is not in the Jinan administrative area, but the nearest city is Jinan, and I'd estimate it is closer to the center of Jinan than about half of the administrative area. It wouldn't surprise me if many cities in China have similar issues. The city immediately to the north-west of Jinan, Dezhou, has a similar issue where is has a large administrative area, but the city center is at the edge of that area and some of the closest places to Dezhou are even in another province. In the Jinan example I give above, I'm guessing it's best to put the wildlife park into the Jinan article, with an explanatory note? XierZhanmusi (talk) 02:22, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes. It's usually most sensible to put listings in the article for the nearest city. I do understand that some Chinese cities are very large in area. Everything can be revisited later; it wouldn't totally shock me if in the end, it could make sense to create Jinan district articles, but probably not yet. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:21, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Ikan, do you have an example article with the 'get around' section in a format similar to what you propose for this one that I can use to copy? Also, is it still okay to put a map in? XierZhanmusi (talk) 02:22, 5 August 2017 (UTC) Also, if I do have more than one map, is there a guide on how I ensure all the locations only appear on one of the maps, and not both of them? XierZhanmusi (talk) 02:22, 5 August 2017 (UTC) I'll take a look at the discussion on the methods for building district maps too, so I can see why one may be preferable to the other. XierZhanmusi (talk) 02:22, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


 * In the Tunis guide, "Orientation" is a subsection of "Understand". If you read Italian, it's a standard first-order section there. The term on Italian Wikivoyage is "Come orientarsi". I wish we used this as a subsection more on en.voy.


 * I wouldn't include a bus map, because bus routes are subject to change and the website of the bus service is much more likely to keep their maps updated. So I'd simply link their website in their listing or inline.
 * If not a bus route map, why would you want more than one map in the article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:19, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


 * You can also describe the districts with bullet points like in Montevideo or Tallinn. The dynamic map is zoomable and movable, so you wouldn't probably need a second map. ϒpsilon (talk) 21:42, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by inline? Sorry, I'm not sure what that is. XierZhanmusi (talk) 21:18, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


 * First, it's really best to keep posts in chronological order. But to answer your question, NYU owns a lot of real estate in the East Village, and the large number of NYU students thronging to the neighborhood's bars, ice cream shops and cafes therefore have an outsized influence on its current character. Do you see the inline link in the previous sentence? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:57, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Transport Maps
If I found a map for Jinan's bus routes (can't find one yet) how do I know if it can be copied into this article? Is that advisable; I've seen articles with Metro system maps copied in, but until Jinan metro opens (and even after as it will not have stations in large and important parts of the city center for many years) the bus is probably the most important form of public transport. XierZhanmusi (talk) 02:22, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Education & Universities
Should I be including universities in the article? I've seen comments on other pages both stating that universities are fine, but also saying that the Learn section should only be oriented towards what a tourist type traveler might be able to get out of a visit. XierZhanmusi (talk) 02:22, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The consensus guidelines on universities, as I understand them, are that they can be listed under the following conditions (not necessarily exhaustive):


 * (1) They are interesting sights (list in "See")


 * (2) They host interesting concerts, lectures or sporting matches open to the public (list in "Do")


 * (3) They provide classes for non-matriculated students that last around 2 weeks or less (list in "Learn", but usually, a listing would be in one section, with other things interesting to a visitor also mentioned in that listing)


 * If none of that applies, they can be mentioned with a link if they have a major visible and/or palpable effect on the city; in that case, "Understand" would be the usual place to mention that.


 * Does this make sense? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:25, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, that makes sense to me. Lists of every university in every city wouldn't be very useful. I think I have seen articles still like that so I was unsure what the consensus was. XierZhanmusi (talk) 11:22, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Number of Photos
Just wondering how many images is ideal for a city article of this size? I'm not planning to put on loads but it would be good to have some guidance. If anyone had any ideas on what sort of photos they think would be good for the article I can go take them in person soon. I have lots of Jinan anyway so may have covered many things; just need to look at my archive. XierZhanmusi (talk) 21:04, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


 * There's no absolute number of photos that is optimal, but in general, it's good to aim toward about 1 per screen on a laptop (which means, in part, that it's good to spread them around the article and not bunch them anywhere). My take on this is that thumbnails used in Wikivoyage guides should be particularly appealing, interesting or informative, and of at least decent quality.


 * You might want to look at Image policy if you haven't already. Image resources might be useful, if you want to go beyond what's already on Commons, and of course it's great that you have your own photos!


 * You could always see how photos have been handled in star articles, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:23, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

"Currently closed"
A listing is marked as "currently closed". What does that mean? Is it closed for good? If so, the listing must be deleted. Is it closed for restoration? If so, that must be stated. Basically, the issue is whether the listing is of any use. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:05, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Currently I don't know; I've been there and it was closed. I took a photograph of a message left on the door but I've not had time to translate it yet. I suspect the venue is moving from what I could see when I was there but will update when I know for sure. I thought best to at least note that it's closed not to waste anyone's time until I can state for certain. XierZhanmusi (talk) 13:32, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

October 2017
Just want to note that this page has now moved to the 1st page of results for Google search 'Jinan' whereas in July it was showing around page 5 or 6. I've not had time to make many changes since my return as I've been very busy but I will continue to update when I can. XierZhanmusi (talk) 13:35, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

This page is currently result 2 for searches for Jinan on Google, immediately after the wikipedia page! —The preceding comment was added by XierZhanmusi (talk • contribs)


 * I signed for you, because you deserve the lion's share of credit for this with all your great work! Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:24, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Proposal to district Jinan (conversion to huge city)
Jinan is a prefecture-level city with 9.2 million people. It has 10 districts and 2 counties. It is relatively decentralized. As you read this proposal, please refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinan#Administrative_divisions.
 * To be practical, I treat the two remote counties as if they were subordinated to the one district that each borders respectively, so I will simply talk about 10 districts.

The city is currently covered by two city-level articles, Jinan (8 districts) and Laiwu (2 districts).
 * Some background info: Laiwu was also a prefecture-level city but lost city status in 2019 when it was merged to Jinan. The two districts that made up pre-2019 Laiwu are now two out of ten districts of Jinan, with Laiwu's former Laicheng District now simply being named Laiwu District.

There is no coverage in the Jinan article or even any mention of Laiwu, and there should be, since Laiwu is a part of Jinan, and that's what readers would expect at this point, but at the same time, Jinan shouldn't have a summary of or major references to Laiwu because Laiwu isn't subordinated to Jinan on WV per WV:Regions. By conceding to a definition of Jinan as "Jinan means Jinan but without Laiwu" in the long run we could cause a bit of confusion among readers, or make it look as if the article hasn't been updated in a very long time. However, Jinan can be districted, which is what this proposal is about.

The Laiwu article is already a de-facto a district-level article, and would be fine as a real district article. It doesn't need any significant deliberate work to make it function as such. At this stage we have one district-level article (Laiwu), and and 8-district undistricted area covered in Jinan -- the question is whether and how these 8 administrative units could be grouped into at least two or more Wikivoyage district-level articles, and thus how could Jinan's listings be split into at least two or more articles.
 * When asking should the present Jinan-minus-Laiwu article be split in the first place because it is "so big and diverse that there's too much information for one Wikivoyage article", the answer is yes. Let's look at See listings: There are 64 of them. The listings are okay; when considering if the article would rather benefit from trimming, instead of splitting, I would say no.

Said 64 listings are already partially/approximately grouped by district, and so we have the Jinan section which contains enough See listings for a separate Changqing District article. This already indicates that of the remaining 8 districts, one official district (with "its" rural area) could be spun out into a district article, leaving us with a 7-district undistricted area. We can immediately subtract 4 from those 7, because 4 districts (Lixia, Shizhong, Huaiyin, Tianqiao) are clearly the inner city districts and would certainly make up the inner city district-level article. The majority of listings would still end up there. Thus far, we have Jinan/Inner city, Laiwu, and Changqing (with the associated Pingyin County) and the remaining three districts.

These remaining three (Licheng, Zhangqiu, and Jiyang with "its" Shanghe County) could be covered together in the fourth and final district-level article, meaning that Jinan would be fully districted into four articles.

To the elaborate on the last point: In the Jinan article there isn't an explicit section for any of those three remaining districts like there is for Changqing, but we have subheadings like Jinan (not helpful to call something "Jinan Region") which contains listings for the more remote Zahgqiu district, which leans onto the Licheng, which also has entries there. Another kind of arbitrarily grouped and named See section Jinan (which does not denote the Inner city but "sites outside the city center") also has multiple Licheng entries, so in total there are at least 9 entries for Licheng+Zhangqiu; there aren't any for Jiyang (feels like something is missing there), meaning that it could be combined with Licheng+Zhangiu. It isn't possible to combine it with anything else, except the inner city districts which is worse than with Licheng+Zhangqiu.

When it comes to naming, on Wikipedia the districts of Jinan are grouped into four things: "Inner city", "Inner suburbs", "Outer suburbs", "Rural counties". Well, we certianly won't have a "Rural counties" district because the two counties are not contiguous, and they certainly won't each be a separate WV district. We could have "Inner city", "Changqing", "Suburbs", and "Laiwu".

With all of this in mind, I propose that Jinan gets the huge city treatment. This would be similar to Dalian, a smaller (7.5 million) prefecture-level huge city districted into four articles. Two out of four resulting district articles would start out as outlines, but if anyghing they would have an adequate number of See listings (more than Dalian's districts) from the get go. The other two resulting district articles would start out as well developed articles (one is Laiwu and the other is what would remain here after splitting which would still be the bulk of content). Cheers all Twsabin (talk) 00:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * districtification. There is a lot of content in this article (with 64 see listings!) for a reader to comfortably navigate through. Your proposal seems like a good plan for districts. --  SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 00:24, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You might also want to draw out the boundaries using geojson.io. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 00:26, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * This sounds good to me. About how many listings will the proposed district with the smallest number have? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:53, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * , 10-12, based strictly on existing content (with some really important ones like the airport and a train station). I began work on a mockup/draft in my userspace. the maps are on Wikidata -- is this a good start? Twsabin (talk) 15:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:33, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * LGTM. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 20:25, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Although I said the maps are good, keep in mind that huge cities that use mapshapes that rely on Wikidata can disappear. Late last year, all mapshapes were present on New South Wales. Now four of them have disappeared without a trace. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 22:19, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes I noticed this in many articles, and particularly, for this proposal, one of the wikidata articles (Q1198335, current name of district) has a map identifier on openstreetmap which points to a redirect (Q60513151, old name of district), which happened after the name change, and the outdated Q identifier of the redirect has to be used for the map to show; took me a bit to figure this out. Doesn't seem amazingly robust indeed. Twsabin (talk) 22:50, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me too. I'll add a few more listings here later when I get time. STW932 (talk) 15:38, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * When adding the maps to the district articles, you might find that some of the markers appear outside the district boundaries. It's not uncommon in our China articles for coordinates to be wrong due to some users being unaware of the fact that China uses a different geocoding system from the rest of the world. STW932 (talk) 06:45, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I see this process was never completed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It looks like there was a consensus behind a districting scheme but no followup. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Jinan-Laiwu High-Speed Railway expected to open soon
The Chinese media recently reported that the Jinan-Laiwu High-Speed Railway is about to begin doing test runs, which means it will likely open on December 26th as scheduled (the Wikipedia article about the line is out of date). Stops on the line include Jinan East, Licheng, Zhangqiu South, Xueye, Laiwu North and Gangcheng. Trains will travel at a speed of 350km per hour and take just 22 and half minutes to reach Gangcheng from Jinan East. STW932 (talk) 15:47, 14 November 2022 (UTC)