Talk:Jamestown (Saint Helena)

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Philippines, along with several others, was just demoted from "usable" to "outline". OK, maybe it does not meet the criteria for usable, but it seems distinctly silly to me to label a rather large and detailed article as an "outline". The TOC shows 20-odd sections and most contain at least a paragraph. If anything, the article is too large and needs sections like History cut to a summary, rather than being too small and needing filling in, which is what I think ""outline" means,

I think we need to change the term. I'm not sure if we also need to revise the criteria. Pashley (talk) 21:18, 26 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't see the problem. The status doesn't cover just the article Philippines, but covers the "Travel guide to the Philippines" as a whole, including underlying cities and destinations. It's been a practice here for quite a while. If just the page itself is good, but underlying destinations are lacking, it'd be strange to call the guide to Philippines "usable". Me and JuliasTravels spent a lot of time getting the Netherlands to a proper usable level, it'd be strange if we'd just consider the country page itself now (that would mean hundreds of countries would be bumped to "usable" level without having the required content in underlying articles). Globe-trotter (talk) 21:33, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

These have been very educational comments for me. I think they would be for many other editors too, not just casual editors, and I am wondering if either of you would care to place a prominent notice on the discussion page at each of the articles demoted, firstly by way of explanation and secondly as a spur to encourage the development of the linked articles that will need upgrading before the countries can be promoted? (I don't feel qualified to do this myself.)


 * On a linked issue, may I enquire about St Helena, Globe-trotter? The edit summary was "downgraded to outline -- with only one place to go, this island does not have a valid regional structure" Assuming that you are talking about Jamestown (Saint Helena) as being the "one place to go", I fear that you are misunderstanding that St Helena is not really a region. It is an island nation of some 4000 souls that is no less a nation than Liechtenstein, Andorra, the Holy See or San Marino. In fact, due to its extreme isolation, I would argue that it is even more of a nation than any of those. It certainly has the trappings of nationhood such as its own flag, anthem, banknotes (the insertion of this URL was blocked by the MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist:www.banknotes.com/sh7.htm), long history and internet TLD. However, since it is only about 16 by 8 kilometres and the terrain is rugged, St Helena does not (and is unlikely to ever have) several settlements worthy of their own articles. It is for these reasons that I intend to move the very little information at Jamestown (Saint Helena) that is not already on the island article to our St Helena article and then make a re-direct from Jamestown (Saint Helena) to St Helena. I shall then (after a few copy edits) promote St Helena to Usable status, but I would welcome your comments in case I have missed something important here. -- A l i c e ✉ 22:04, 26 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, that would be fine of course. Globe-trotter (talk) 22:54, 26 January 2013 (UTC)