Talk:Dumaguete

Shakey's Pizza and Jollibee photos
Hi, everyone. These are business photos. Do they fall within our exception policies? Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:02, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * There is an exception for images that are meant to be illustrative of the type of business establishment in a certain region but I do take your point so I will delete the picture of the new Robinson's Place (even though Dumagetenos are inordinately proud of it) and amend the captions of the other two. I do think it's important to have these photos, since otherwise some folks from Manila, never mind New York think it's all sari-sari shops and Nipa huts in the "provinces" -- A l i c e ✉ 03:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * If you think it's important to have those photos, maybe they should all remain in the article, with appropriate captions explaining how these businesses are particularly notable locally. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * One deletion has been made now and the two captions amended to make general points about armed guards and ransom kidnappings, etc. Happy? -- A l i c e ✉ 03:52, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't have a specific goal in mind; I just thought this should be discussed, which is why I asked a question. How do you feel about this? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:24, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I have a guilty feeling that I've been naughty but a proprietorial interest in seeing the images remain (proprietorial not in the sense I have a personal or family business connection to Robinson's or Shakey's or Jollibee's, just in the sense that Dumaguete is really one of the nicest, friendliest and cleanest little provincial towns I've ever visited in the Philippines and I'd like to encourage more people to enjoy a few days there.) -- A l i c <font color="#00EEFF">e <font color="#FF3333">✉ 04:35, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * And with that comment, you probably have. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:48, 8 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I just took out the Joillibee's photo; the point about armed guards is now made under Dumaguete. Pashley (talk)


 * The comment above is from a few months ago. The Shakey's photo is now gone too, since that location seems to have closed. Pashley (talk) 15:29, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Beach resort?
We currently have a listing in this article for "Monarch Sands Beach Resort" which says it is "an hour from Dumaguete airport". On the map, it is miles from Dumaguete but quite near Siaton and the address says Siaton.

I want to move it to Siaton, but that article is very much a stub so I'm checking here first to see if anyone has a better idea. Pashley (talk) 02:19, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * There's already a stubby entry for that resort in the Siaton article. I don't think there's a better option than merging any useful information there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:28, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I've plunged ahead and made the change. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:56, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Guide?
I'm in Dumaguete, probably staying a couple of months (it sure beats a Canadian winter!), have done some work on the article, will likely do more. I just promoted it from Outline to Usable. What does it need to get to Guide or Star? It might make a good DotM about a year from now. Pashley (talk) 23:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I hope you got a good deal on a rental. Don't forget your hard hat if you go outside on Hogmanay... --Ttcf (talk) 08:02, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Lucky you, Pashley :-) I'd say the article is already pretty close to guide, as it seems most of the info one needs is just there. Good candidate for a feature indeed. It needs a banner, of course, and there are still some coordinates missing. Listings like the post office and tourist office should have proper addresses and opening times. Maybe you could give a more convincing understanding of why this town is popular with travellers, in the intro. Make it more... appealing. Also, just looking around on other websites, it seems that Dumaguete is a popular base for diving. I understand that this might not take place in Dumaguete, but if diving is one of the reasons why people base themselves here, it should be mentioned more explicitly in the intro and in "do". If there are so many bars, there should ideally be a few more good picks in the Drink section. Some one-liners should be added to the "go next" section. Just a few thoughts - I think the article is already great. Enjoy your time! JuliasTravels (talk) 08:37, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I now think it is at guide, though not all the suggestions above have been dealt with. However, I'll leave it to others to decide when to actually promote it. Pashley (talk) 10:41, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, so I did. JuliasTravels (talk) 11:36, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Go next
I am about to edit this section, get rid of the entries with no details given, so I am preserving them here: I will cut it to just the two with links. Pashley (talk) 04:01, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Casaroro Falls
 * Forest Camp
 * Japanese Shrine
 * Apo Island - Ideal for divers.
 * Bais City for Dolphin and Whale Watching
 * Lake Balinsasayao
 * Lake Balanan
 * Mabinay Caves
 *  Villa Merced


 * That would be a pity. Apart from  Villa Merced & the Japanese Shrine, they make good day trips from DGT. If you tell me where you're staying, I'll email a friend from Bais to visit you and give you the detail so you can flesh things out. Even if you don't wish to avail of that opportunity in the next couple of weeks, if you let the entries stand, I can ask her to add some detail and then copy edit. --Ttcf (talk) 06:38, 16 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Already gone, but of course any of them can be restored if anyone knows enough to add a good one-line description. Are some near Bais? if so, maybe add them in that article.
 * I'll pass on meeting your friend, I think. Pashley (talk) 07:20, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You may well bump into her by accident - Dgt's a very small place with an effective grapevine (as you've probably found out by now).
 * Certainly the Mabinay caves are probably best visited from Bais, but the Casaroro Falls and the Forest Camp are definitely excursions from Dgt. Lake Balinsasayao and the volcanic area are much closer and have better access from Dgt, while Lake Balanan, while still deserving of a brief mention in the "Go next" section of Dgt, is probably best given a detailed exposition in the stub Siaton article. --Ttcf (talk) 08:13, 16 December 2014 (UTC)


 * There is currently stuff about Mount Talinis at Dumaguete but Mount Talinis says it is in Valencia. It also says the twin lakes park is part of the volcano complex, but Lake Balinsasayao says the lake is in Sibulan. How should this be handled? Pashley (talk) 14:23, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I moved all this stuff to Do or See, since it is not really Go Next, and rewrote much of it. Comment? Pashley (talk) 12:19, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Deletions
I just took out this text "Other places to visit include Maxino College in Barangay Bagacay and Maranatha Full Gospel Church (Sunday morning)." since it seemed pointless to me; the descriptions lack detail & the places do not seem interesting. I am preserving it here in case someone wants to put it back. If you do, please create listings and add detail. Pashley (talk) 12:16, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

I also removed this from the Mount Talinis part "Tourists may avail of the services of local guides who can arrange everything including transportation, food and porter. All-inclusive trek ₱5,000/group of 3." It seemed useless because it does not say where to find guides or indicate how long these treks are or how difficult. Pashley (talk) 12:33, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Also the Guy Hall photo; it is not listed as a sight to see and we already have two photos of Silliman University buildings.

And a rather nice photo of a waterfall which is already used at Valencia_(Negros_Oriental). Should it be here as well, or even instead, since many visitors are likely to reach it on day trips from Dumaguete? Pashley (talk) 04:53, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

And this:
 * Dumaguete Review hosts detailed reviews of musicians, etc. and, because there are no fees relating to creating or positioning of a listing and visitor ratings and comments are encouraged, it is a very useful resource for travellers who may not know the local scene.

It has some listings of bands, but none are recent and there are almost no reviews. Utterly useless, IMHO. Pashley (talk) 16:55, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

And this, from the Understand section:
 * Dinanguet was one of the first names of the settlements that were incorporated into the parish of Tanjay in 1590. It was only when it became a separate parish in 1620 that its name was changed.

I cannot see that this info is of any interest or value to a traveller. Pashley (talk) 15:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

I removed references to Lilo-an in the discussion of ferries to Sibulan. Liloan, Cebu shows that town as in Metro Cebu, north of Cebu City. Am I missing something here? Pashley (talk) 03:14, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I was missing something; there's now a disambig page at Liloan. Pashley (talk) 15:29, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Comment, anyone?
The first paragraph in Get in/By air now reads:


 * Cebu Pacific has flights from both Manila and Cebu, and Philippine Airlines has flights from Manila. Cebu used to be by far and away the more pleasant airport to arrive at with an international connection (especially if travelling by Qatar or Silkair) but the corrupt and unfriendly attitude of Manila officials has diminished over the past year and Cebu Pacific now has most international arrivals and domestic departures from the modern and relatively efficient Terminal 3 in Manila. If you have an overnight connection in Manila, allow plenty of time to actually enter the airport and begin baggage check-in since the security controls to actually enter each terminal sometimes cause very long queues to form!

I wrote the first sentence & an anon user added the rest. He or she has a point; I'd have just said "Cebu is much easier", but I may be out of date. However, I have the feeling this is overstated and/or does not belong in the Dumaguete article but rather in Philippines. I'd like to "fix" it, but have little idea how. I almost reverted the edit as irrelevant, but am posting here instead.

Other opinions? Pashley (talk) 10:11, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It should be fairly easy to check if Cebu Pacific now indeed has most international arrivals at Manila, or not? If so, then that info seems relevant to me. I'd put the possible shift in a more positive turn though -increased service level or something, rather than diminished corruption- unless this is a generally accepted statement. I don't know if the cueing is any less in other Phillipines destinations? In any case, I must say a bit of extra warning on such things never bothers me, as I typically don't read the full country article if I'm only flying in to a specific destination for a week or so. JuliasTravels (talk) 19:31, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * My guess is that s/he meant to say that most international arrival and domestic departures operated by Cebu Pacific use Terminal 3 and did not intend to say which airline had the most international arrivals (which info is pretty irrelevant for non-airline buffs). He or she is spot on about corruption. Add nepotism and a money politics presidential system bequeathed by our erstwhile colonial masters and you get the main reason why the most English speaking and Christian country in Asia has been for decades an economic basket case. Things have recently improved drastically and travellers need to be made aware of that. Even more important is the queuing tip. Travellers risk losing both time and money if they think they can just waltz into the terminal and check-in like most other airports. I've lost count of the number of times baggage has been off-loaded on my flights because passengers never made it inside the terminal in time. Most international travellers will be completely unaware that at busy times they need to set aside 40-110 minutes just to enter the terminal and join the check-in queue! --180.191.105.141 10:10, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I moved the text up into the intro to Get in rather than Get in/By air and edited it. Comments? Pashley (talk) 15:16, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Has Manila Terminal 3 improved to now compete with Cebu Mactan International?
I think so, and I do listen to what passengers say and don't just always use the VIP/Crew/Diplomatic lane.

Here are some supporting opinions: in "Worst Airports of 2014" Manila drops from pole to fourth position - admittedly a minority perspective but still a valid stance "Consider this a firm recommendation to do all that you can to fly on airlines that use Terminal 3 rather than Terminal 1",  Sunstar reports Representative Teddy Casiño filing House Resolution 1836 directing the House Committee on Transportation to conduct an investigation, in aid of legislation, on the problems besetting the NAIA after reports it's "in bad shape, overcrowded, and has unfriendly staff... also claimed airport workers took bribes and were corrupt" and "Airport taxes are collected, but the money does not seem to go towards the betterment of the airport", Skytrax passenger reviews, "The inanity and stupidity of the Department of Tourism – more fun in the Philippines, indeed",  [http://www.philstar.com/travel-and-tourism/645609/villar-seeks-probe-airports this feud between customs officials and foreign carriers has now been resolved by Presidential intervention..., Facebook page: Corrupt Philippine Immigration Officers, for those who understand Tagalog, the comments here are interesting,  --180.191.108.13 12:07, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Merge in nearby towns?
There is discussion at Talk:Sibulan of whether various articles on nearby towns which are more-or-less suburbs of Dumaguete should be merged into this one. Pashley (talk) 15:07, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I merged in Sibulan & Valencia. Should Bacong or Dauin be done too? Pashley (talk) 04:20, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I frankly have no idea. What are the pros and cons? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:51, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


 * If we merge Dauin, we should do Bacong too since it is between D City & Dauin. Beyond that, I'm not sure.
 * Pro: we'd get rid of two stub articles, expand Duma a bit. Dauin is suburb-ish; people live there but work in Duma, or come in to shop or drink. Con: Dauin already has listings for three dive resorts & I think more could be added. Should the article be kept so as not to mix those in with the many sleep listings we already have in Duma? Pashley (talk) 13:55, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I went ahead & merged Bacong. I left Dauin out for reasons above.Pashley (talk) 02:15, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * There is now discussion at Talk:San Jose (Negros Oriental) of merging in that town & Amlan (Negros Oriental). I'm inclined to oppose, but not certain. If we do merge Amlan, we should do San Jose too since it is between A & the city. Pashley (talk) 19:46, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

New place on Rizal
As of Feb 2015, most of the space between Casablanca and Why Not? was a construction project nearing completion, a two-storey building with a lot of frontage on the boulevard and some patio space on both levels. It looks as though it will be retail, restaurants or a mix, so Buy and/or Eat sections may need updating when it opens. Pashley (talk) 02:11, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * There was also a sign at Silliman U saying a new Portal East building is coming. Presumably it will be largely commercial like the existing Portal West so we may need updates there too. As of Feb, construction had not started. Pashley (talk) 11:42, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

I am back in Duma & will be updating the article. Portal East is under construction now. New one on Rizal is open; I do not have details yet. Pashley (talk) 04:14, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Updates done. New complex is called Paseo Perdices. Pashley (talk) 15:35, 16 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I am back again. Portal East is still under construction. Some progress has been made since spring, but it does not look near completion. Pashley (talk) 02:44, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Which protestants?
Our caption says the university church is Episcopalian (Anglican) but Horace Silliman says he was an active Presbyterian. Is one of these in error? Is the story more complicated as the uni's page for the church seems to indicate? Pashley (talk) 14:10, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I changed it to just "a protestant church", which is probably not the best solution but is at least accurate. Pashley (talk) 00:15, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Protestant should be capitalized, so I did that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:39, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


 * If you actually talk to the ministers and congregation, they see themselves as being thoroughly ecumenical rather than protesting or counteracting the thoroughly dominant Roman Catholicism of the Philippines. 175.138.99.217 13:47, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't see how that makes them non-Protestant. To be Roman Catholic, they'd have to be part of a hierarchy that swears allegiance to the Pope. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:41, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I edited it. Comments? Pashley (talk) 11:45, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Seems totally fine. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:08, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Star?
It looks to me like this article is now close to Star status.

Only one thing I know should be added; there is a sign as you leave the ferry terminal informing people about the anti-smoking bylaw, and a photo of that would go nicely in Dumaguete. I meant to take such a shot but forgot.

Would anyone care to nominate it? Or make suggestions for what is needed before that? Or better yet, make contributions that would get it there? Pashley (talk) 00:40, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I now think it needs more coverage outside downtown before it might be a star. Pashley (talk) 15:41, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

New airport?
I ran across a real estate ad for a property in Bacong that said it was near "the new airport". A quick web search gives no solid confirmation, but does show some news stories about it as a possibility.

Does anyone know more? Pashley (talk) 11:03, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * This looks promising. Can anyone confirm? Pashley (talk) 19:32, 22 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Several online & newspaper stories say it is going ahead, e.g. Dumaguete airport project secures Korean funding Pashley (talk) 18:09, 21 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Gov't to push through with airport project, quoting the Transportation Secretary about the Bacong airport, but he did not give a timeline. Pashley (talk) 09:39, 1 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Bacong airport in 5 yrs, story dated Mar 31, 2021 quoting the same Secretary. Pashley (talk) 10:32, 1 October 2021 (UTC)


 * No funds allocated in 2023 budget. Pashley (talk) 03:55, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Cang's location
We show this department store, I think correctly, on E Rovira but the underlying OSM map has a Cang's at the corner of Maria Cristina & San Jose. Are there two locations? Is one location wrong or out of date? Pashley (talk) 00:32, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have no clue, but I'd be tempted to use the address listed on their own pages. Their Facebook page seems active. JuliasTravels (talk) 17:12, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not impossible that the location of a sight or business is wrong on the OSM maps. I now and then have gone on coordinate adding sprees and through that noticed that at least one place in ten is placed at least somewhat off the real location. The estabilshment's own site, Fb page, Google Maps or such should be more trustworthy. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I asked on the Facebook page & someone from Cang's added the text below. I'll update the article. Pashley (talk) 01:09, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Main: National Highway, Daro, Dumaguete City, Negros Oriental, Philippines 6200

Downtown Branch: San Jose St. cor. Ma. Christina St., Dumaguete City, Negros Oriental, Philippines 6200

Cang's Shopping Complex opened up its new location to better serve its growing customers by providing all their shopping needs under one roof - friendly department store, complete school and office supplies, wide range in RTW, toiletries, kitchenwares, home furnishings, sports equipment, and toys.

: underground parking (Main) : 24/7 security

Shopping Features

supermarket / grocery department store food court pharmacy food kiosks school and office supplies household furnishings and kitchenwares

Detouting
Pashley, you probably noticed that a tout just added a restaurant to the article — three times. Do you by chance know this place and in which category it should be listed (Drink, Eat/Budget, Eat/Mid range)? Of course, the language also needs to be toned down in the listing. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:19, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I removed the two entries in Eat, and left the one in Drink. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:42, 14 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I actually posted on their facebook page suggesting they add themselves since I've heard the place is rather good. I've now moved the listing & de-touted it some. I think it fits where it is, under Dumaguete. Pashley (talk) 13:30, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Removed some text
These places are not yet open so I removed the listings. Saving here in case we want to restore later: Without more detail, I'm not sure these will be worth restoring, even when they open. Pashley (talk) 01:55, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * City Mall is now open. Pashley (talk) 03:08, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Terror threat?
There are some indicators of risk: On the other hand, I'm in Dumaguete & have seen nothing untoward except more police & more of them with automatic weapons.
 * local cops say there may be a kidnapping plot
 * at least the US & Aussie governments have also issued warnings
 * there was a shootout yesterday on nearby Bohol

What warnings do we need & do they go here or in some higher-level article, perhaps Central Visayas? Pashley (talk) 13:00, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Ireland, United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand and Canada have issued new warnings; see Talk:Negros. Pashley (talk) 12:36, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Flooding
I'm about to add a warning. References: Heavy rains cause massive flooding in Dumaguete 'Paolo' triggers floods in parts of Negros Oriental, state of calamity declared

I may not remove this in a timely way since I'll be off the air a while starting late next week. Can others please track this & remove it when appropriate? Pashley (talk) 19:50, 20 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Removed it after talking to a friend in the town. Pashley (talk) 13:01, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Removed some listings
Both these places are gone. Part of the building is undergoing renovations & has a sign about a future coffee shop; the other part has "Commercial Space For Rent" signs. Saving deleted listings here: Coco Amigos at least may reappear. It was busy, looked like it was making money & the company is large; it also has a hotel in Duma & resorts on Siquijor & Apo Island, so maybe it has money to set a new place up. Pashley (talk) 02:52, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

This one is also gone. I'm told the place has been renovated & re-opened with the same chef but a different name & menu (more Filipino dishes) and is often extremely busy. Save listing here in case parts apply to new place. Pashley (talk) 05:25, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Flights to Clark?
Clark-Dumaguete flights to start in June The paper attributes this to the closure of Boracay, hence a possible surge in tourism to Duma. Pashley (talk) 05:43, 21 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Does anyone know if these have started? The article currently says they are "due to start in June" which seems a bit odd to say in July. Pashley (talk) 15:25, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Removed restaurants
Both of these are closed now & their signs are gone. Lindai's looks like it is being renovated. Pashley (talk) 05:50, 4 May 2018 (UTC)





Time formatting
Does the Philippines use a 12&hr clock (7PM) or a 24-hr clock (19:00)? This article uses both formats, which is kind of confusing. We really should just use one format per article (or really, per country). Ground Zero (talk) 10:07, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Airport project shelved
Govt shelves 8 infra projects, to add more, may be temporary Pashley (talk) 00:52, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Maybe restarted Pashley (talk) 08:16, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

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Bay Shores?
A local radio station mentions:
 * The Bay Shores, a new business complex along the Piapi Beach in Dumaguete City. The complex, which will feature new stores such as the Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf, Sachi Best Ramen, and Choobi Choobi, is set to open this month.

Anyone got details? Pashley (talk) 04:43, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Bogart's is gone
I removed this. Left this for now. Does anyone know if it still exists? Boo hoo. Bogart's was my favourite bar. Pashley (talk) 00:08, 24 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Another bar now has the location. I replaced the listing with what little I know about it, but I do not even know its name. Pashley (talk) 00:15, 24 November 2022 (UTC)