Talk:Dublin

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It is on a par with many bigger European cities in terms of its vibrancy... I've seen reports that Salamanca and Trieste both vibrate at a much higher frequency, and that Tblisi is somewhere in the gigahertz range (although it's arguably Asian rather than European). --(WT-en) Evan 14:38, 22 Jan 2005 (EST) P.S. Joke!


 * Which is called Salamanca (city) or Salamanca (province)?. Do we have to use parenthesis, It looks ugly in URL's -- (WT-en) elgaard 13:53, 23 Jan 2005 (EST)

Trains
The part in the article discussing the rail interconnecter proposed is a bit off the mark - it's not supposed to be between Heuston and Connolly stations, it's supposed to connect Heuston to the Northern line, bypassing Connolly altogether. This would permit dircect Cork to Belfast services, but Galway to Wexford would require the train to switch directions on exiting the tunnel, a bit awkward. This section is a bit misleading, so it should probably be removed. So I've done it. 193.120.116.177 18:00, 6 January 2008 (EST)

Buses
Hmm, the article is really against using the normal buses back from the airport. Did it today and they were fine, a bus came straight away, cost 1.80 euros, and took around 40 minutes to get into the city. Unless you're in a major rush it seems like the best option. 213.79.46.170 16:51, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

Parks!
Well, the Phoenix park certainly can't be the second largest city park in the world? It's only 1.700 acres or something. According to this list, http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0933260.html, there are 30+ parks in the US alone that are bigger.


 * To the best of my knowledge, it should be "2nd biggest in Europe" (One in Birmingham is supposed to be bigger). I'll change it. 86.42.237.27 16:38, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

CotW
In the Project:Collaboration_of_the_week note by Tim, he mentions the need for a map and for more photos. I have a huge collection of Creative Commons photos of Dublin on flickr, and at home -- I just need some guidance as to what to contribute. Also, I'd be willing to make a map. Is there an example on Wikivoyage of an ideal city map? (WT-en) WillB 03:34, 19 October 2007 (EDT)
 * As for map-making, have a look at our How to make a map article.(WT-en) Texugo 04:19, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

Postal codes?
Is that what those are--the Dublin1, Dublin 2, Dublin 4, etc.? Are those useful to the traveler? (WT-en) OldPine 19:55, 20 October 2007 (EDT)

In general even numbers are southside Dublin and odd numbers are Northside, there are one or two exceptions I think, is it worthwhile mentioning this?


 * Those are postal districts rather than postal codes, and as previously noted they can usually at least give an indication of which side of the river it is. In 2015 Ireland introduced a genuine postal code system, “Eircodes”, but I would say that they are not helpful to tourists as they are unique to every address - e.g. D02 VR94 is The Porterhouse mentioned elsewhere in the article, the “D02” indicates it’s in Dublin 2, but the last 4 characters can be numbers or letters in any order. It’s only in Dublin that you can even deduce what the town is from the Eircode (D), the Porterhouse in Bray is A98 H6Y2. — Arwel Parry (talk) 23:20, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Zozimus Haunted Tours
I think the link is dead, I didnt want to edit it, not sure what the policy is on link removal!

Style for directions
I'm new to Wikivoyage and I'm wondering what the style is for north, south, east, west. Is the first letter upper case or lower case? Obviously, it's upper case if it's at the start of sentence. Thanks in advance for your help!

--Liz Westover


 * I don't think there's a firm policy on this, but I'd go with lower case. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:16, 12 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Just go with standard English rules. It is lower case if you're talking about a direction ("go north three blocks") but capitalized if talking about a region ("in the South you can find great seafood"), but not when just describing an area ("we are staying north of Dublin").

Cycling in Dublin
"Dublin has a large student population and is relatively cycle-friendly" Dublin clearly has a large student population. But cycling-friendly!!! Relative to what? The Antartic? No seriously - at best you can say that Dublin has an average policy towards cyclists but there are hundreds of cities worldwide with much better infrastructure than Dublin. Only this year did Dublin Corporation recruit someone to overlook the development of cycling in Dublin (Cycling Officer - advertised some months back). I have been cycling in Dublin for 15 years and have often been accosted by drivers. I have seen people, driving in the opposite direction, roll down their windows to shout abuse. Its amazing. The vast majority of cycling infrastructure are narrow on-road cycling lanes. There are very few safe cycling-exclusive paths (along the Dodder - near Miltown is about the best of it). Cyclists are at best tolerated, but cycling in Dublin is seen as a leisure activity and not as a means of transport. Irish people are friendly, ine general, but they are not particularily friendly to cyclists.

Offensive sentence about safety and tracksuits
"Young people wearing tracksuits generally are troublemakers who prowl the city at all times."

This statement needs to be removed quickly. I think it over generalises to the point of being downright ignorant. Overt working class youth style should not be identified with overall safety issues in Dublin. I think large groups of youths in Dublin should warrant increased vigilance but saying what sort of clothes the said troublemakers will be wearing is the result of a class biased mind. Why don't we provide a less stupid and ignorant face for potential visitors to Dublin?


 * I think you may be missing the realities of what thugs (and thug-wannabees) are like. They often choose certain clothing to signal to the world that they're troublemakers (usually as a way to fit in and gain status with their peer group, or to feel powerful by intimidating others).  In some places it's wearing your pants down around your knees.  In some places it's wearing certain color baseball caps with the store's stickers still on them.  If in Dublin the de facto thug uniform is the tracksuit, I don't see why this commentary wouldn't be fair and relevant.  The issue should be whether it the tracksuit in Dublin is just working class youth style, or if it actually is more associated with a smaller sub-culture that travelers should be weary of.

British isles
Ireland isn't in the British isles, as the navigation suggests.

Taxis
Reading the brief mention of Taxis in the article would lead me to believe that Taxis in Dublin are an inexpensive way to get around. In my own experience (living in Dublin for most of my life), I've found them to be some of the most expensive Taxis in the world, far more expensive than even places like New York & Tokyo. It would be great to see some examples of distances/prices (say Airport to City Centre etc.) to show the real expense. The only experience I have with them these days is from the Airport to home and this costs anywhere between €20-€25 for a 9km journey!


 * Please amend the article as you see fit. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:40, 6 December 2009 (EST)

Dublin 1 or D1
Someone changed all instances of D1, D2, etc. to "Dublin 1," "Dublin 2," etc. It strikes me as repetitive to have "Dublin" named in virtually every listing. Would anyone mind if I change this back? Also, at least when used in listings, it is our policy to abbreviate words like "street" and "road." This is harder to fix, though. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:30, 17 March 2010 (EDT)


 * I'd say we should obviously keep Dublin 1 etc. as more readable. However, I have lost arguments along these lines before &mdash; e.g. arguing for three-letter day-of-the-week abbreviations &mdash; so others may disagree. Pashley (talk) 16:44, 31 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree. Unless we're going to take the unusual step of having a key to abbreviations, D1 D2, etc. are going to be unintelligible to most and people will not find it in Dublin. Abbreviations should not be used where they are too strange or ambiguous. I'm willing to join you in a crusade for the introduction of Mo, Tu, We, Th, Fr, Sa, Su, but not to extend that 50% to Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat, Sun. --118.93nzp (talk) 16:55, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

How to get a bus map?
The page recommends getting a map from Dublin Bus, but it doesn't say how. I can't find one online anywhere, and the Wikipedia article on Dublin Bus seems to think there isn't a paper one, either? -- Beland (talk) 00:39, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Usable
I just demoted this article from Guide to Usable. The most obvious Mos issues are the lack of listings in the "Buy" section and the need to substitute larger photos of individual sights for the montage at the top of the page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:40, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Remove some sleep entries?
There are several sleep entries that are not actually in Dublin. e.g. The Ritz Carleton is "30 minutes from Dublin" and a couple of others have addresses the include "County ...". These might be perfectly reasonable if they are near the airport or on a transport line that makes going downtown easy. Otherwise, I suspect they should be deleted, but someone who knows the city should make that call. Pashley (talk) 16:36, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You're right. --118.93nzp (talk) 16:39, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Districts?
The article is quite large and, at least to me, somewhat confusing. Should it be split up into districts? Pashley (talk) 02:08, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It would then face the same problems of many of our districtified cities: People continually writing listings in the main city-wide article instead of the district articles, readers not even realising they need/bothering to go to the city centre article to find out where to eat, drink, sleep, sightsee, etc and skeleton articles that are a very bad example of our travel guide for the outer district articles. My attitude is always the same when this is proposed: demonstrate that you can flesh out the district articles first (perhaps in user space) and before the city article is chopped about. --118.93nzp (talk) 02:21, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Cabinteely
Should Cabinteely be a separate article or the listing merged into Dublin? --Traveler100 (talk) 19:57, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Style tag in Eat section
There is a tag  in the Eat section. Could anyone or the person who put it there be more specific as to what needs to be changed/improved? Thanks. 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm (probably) not the person who's added it, but the one problem I see with the Eat section is the subheadings. Eateries should be grouped according to their price level into Budget, Mid-range and Splurge. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:11, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I removed the style tag after grouping the restaurants into the mentioned price level sections. Feel free to add the style tag back if this wasn't the only problem with the eat section. Also feel free to rearrange specific listings if you think they belong to a different price group. —The preceding comment was added by Dowetz (talk • contribs) 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Restaurants
These two listings were mentioned in the eat section text, but they don't provide a lot of information. If you know more about them, please add them back to the main page: —The preceding comment was added by Dowetz (talk • contribs) 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Great photo of Newman University
This is a Featured photo I find interesting to look at, but there's no listing for the university, so I'm not sure whether to add it or not. Should there be a listing for the university, or for its church? If you think so, go ahead and add it and this photo. If not, just enjoy looking at the image here.



Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:58, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Dublin Airport
Discussion swept in from the Pub

Currently Dublin Airport redirects to Dublin. Should we create a dedicated article? Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:03, 8 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Seems like something to discuss at Wikivoyage talk:Airport Expedition. But since you brought it up here, make your case. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:36, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * it's got over thirty million pax p.a. It is the hub of a major network carrier (Aer Lingus) with a network on both sides of the pond and it is one of only two European airports with U.S. Border preclearance Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:06, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Is it also complex and not self-explanatory? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:01, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:38, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It's surely as complex as, or more complex than, Stansted, what with having two terminals and the U.S. border thingy. But then again, it's been argued that STN doesn't deserve its own article either. As I've said before, we have few editors with any knowledge of Ireland on Wikivoyage, to drive article development forward or offer an informed opinion on matters such as this.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:16, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Stansted is a kind of borderline case. I didn't think at the time that an article was started about it that it was urgent to start an article about it, but its distance from London and the fact that at the time, passengers taking early flights often chose to sleep the night at the airport made an article about it useful, and it is quite a high-traffic airport. On the face of it, it sounds like it's reasonable for there to be an article about Dublin Airport if someone is motivated to start one, but whether it's necessary or not hasn't been established. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:28, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Dublin Airport is in the nearby town of Swords, but is kind-of part of the capital in a way that Stansted is not part of London. I thought to resolve this by creating subsections in both destinations, based on whether you'd travel via the airport to reach a particular hotel say, or via Dublin city centre or via Swords. That aside, the airport is big but straightforward, and the need-to-know stuff fits into a standard "Get in" without swamping the page. I could rattle off a long list of Ireland pages that badly need overhaul and the rest of youse could no doubt do similar, but the airport wouldn't feature on mine. Grahamsands (talk) 20:32, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

UCD campus
Views please on what best to do about Bellfield, the UCD campus in the south of the city. It earns its page on the basis of being a “city within a city” – it’s large, but not dramatically larger than say U of Limerick at Castletroy or U of Ulster at Coleraine. The page feels touty, and obviously we should only mention facilities available to the general public, and can’t comment on the academic or student-social qualities. Grahamsands (talk) 08:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The page has been moved to Booterstown. Please help by trimming the university stuff and adding more local info about the coastal area. AlasdairW (talk) 22:16, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Districts again?
This is a fine article, but Dublin is large and important enough to be districtified. Can we make a simple districtification? /Yvwv (talk) 12:44, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Accommodation Prices
The accommodation prices need to be updated as the prices these days are far higher and some of the places are closed. I've updated the hostels in Dublin. 78.16.165.70 19:40, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the updates! Wikivoyage is entirely written by volunteers, so any contributions you make will help travellers. Unfortunately, we do not have paid staff who can respond to specific requests. When you update a price, please change the date on the entry also so that readers know how current it is. Ground Zero (talk) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Additional Photo to the Drinks Section.
@Ground Zero

@AlasdairW

As on the my UserTalk page, I'm proposing adding a this photo to the `Drinks` heading, in addition to the current photo that persists there.

LMK if there's an objection to this. Davekern (talk) 19:09, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * as said before, Image policy and Don't tout apply. Speaking just for myself, only mega iconic spots like Liverpool's Cavern Club would qualify as the exceptions allowed. Let's hear other opinions. Ibaman (talk) 20:18, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * "Exceptions include images that are meant to be illustrative of the type of business establishment in a certain region"
 * Only Liverpool's Cavern Club would qualify under this? That's super specific - isn't it, @Ibaman? I'm pretty sure you're reading this in a way too narrow definition.
 * I wouldn't class the Cavern Club as an illustrative type of business establishment specific to the Liverpool region.
 * An Irish pub in Dublin, Ireland - would generally fall under a illustrative of the type of business establishment in a certain region, similar to something like an Izakaya in Tokyo, or a Fish & Chip shop in Brighton. Davekern (talk) 20:35, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * For all avoidance of doubt @Ibaman, there are two exceptions to the Image policy
 * images that are meant to be illustrative of the type of business establishment in a certain region OR
 * exceptionally famous establishments
 * An Irish Pub, located in Ireland, would be illustrative of the type of business establishment in a certain region.
 * Liverpool's The Cavern Club would fall under the exceptionally famous establishments.
 * I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that this means that "only mega iconic spots like Liverpool's Cavern Club would qualify as the exceptions allowed". as it clearly doesn't come close to being an illustrative of the type of business establishment in a certain region. Davekern (talk) 21:11, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that we could have another pub photo in the article, but as we already have one it should be an informative photo of a typical pub, a very well known establishment or one with historic interest (including a pub which has been trading for over 100 years). For an informative photo, I have a slight preference for a view inside a pub. For an iconic photo, we might add a photo of a certain brewery.
 * The Ferryman photo tells me that I can find a pub between two office blocks, next a main road - is this the message that you want? AlasdairW (talk) 21:54, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Frankly, yes - @AlasdairW
 * The Dublin Docklands was an area of historic deprivation - and over the last 3 decades has undergone major urbanization.
 * The Ferryman, does well do showcase Traditional Dublin vs contemporary Urban Dublin along the Dublin Quay.
 * It gets away from the Stereotypical Twee-Diddley-Eye image of Dublin's Pub that is Temple Bar, and contrasts that pretty well. Davekern (talk) 22:34, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, it's not a "conclusion", it's an "opinion", believe me, I've been around this travel guide long enough to spot from a mile away every little trick that business owners might devise to get "their" establisment's picture, and theirs only, up and running on a given page. I'm not saying it's your case, though. Ibaman (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * FWIW, Opinion is a synonym of Conclusion. Davekern (talk) 11:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Shades of meaning separate them. A person can have a preliminary opinion about something without having reached a firm conclusion, and since I believe you're a native English speaker, I expect that you'll agree with me, but that expectation is not a conclusion, either. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:51, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * and about the subject under discussion, as an admin I like our pages clean and tight and fast to load and easy to read on a phone screen and devoid of any intentional or subliminal or random promotion of specific businesses. In this respect I am and has always been really strict enforcing Don't tout and Image policy. A real martinet, yes. Our beautiful online travel guide must someday become faultless, I'm gladly doing my part. Ibaman (talk) 21:53, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * FWIW, Opinion is a synonym of Conclusion. Davekern (talk) 11:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Shades of meaning separate them. A person can have a preliminary opinion about something without having reached a firm conclusion, and since I believe you're a native English speaker, I expect that you'll agree with me, but that expectation is not a conclusion, either. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:51, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * and about the subject under discussion, as an admin I like our pages clean and tight and fast to load and easy to read on a phone screen and devoid of any intentional or subliminal or random promotion of specific businesses. In this respect I am and has always been really strict enforcing Don't tout and Image policy. A real martinet, yes. Our beautiful online travel guide must someday become faultless, I'm gladly doing my part. Ibaman (talk) 21:53, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Banner Image


I'd like to discuss the possibility of updating the banner image.

The current banner taken from eye-level on O'Connell Street suffers from a number of issues:


 * 1) Busy, lots of pedestrians
 * 2) Poorly framed (the Spire being a notable landmark is completely cut-out-of-shot
 * 3) Not recognizable.

Typically, other nearby cities like London, Edinburgh, Belfast. Paris utilize panoramic images of the city, were as - Dublin get a really poor showing with an eye level shot of a major street pointed upwards.

Any suggestions on what we should be aiming for here? Davekern (talk) 22:53, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I agree that it is time to change. The current banner was created 10 years ago, when there was a much small selection of images on Commons.


 * To make a start, I have uploaded a couple of alternatives to consider, but please add some others.


 * Banner 0 is the existing view of O'Connell Street
 * Banner 1 is the Custom House at night.
 * Banner 2 is also the Custom House, but during the day also showing the modern buildings next it.


 * More alternatives would be very welcome, but remember that the banner needs to be a 7:1 image, at least 1800 pixels wide. AlasdairW (talk) 23:26, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ikan, 2 -> 1 -> 0.
 * Give's the Customs House context. Davekern (talk) 10:50, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * 2, 1, 0 for me. I like seeing the combination of old and new in the banner because Ireland has experienced a huge amount of economic development in recent decades. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:34, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * 2, 1, 0 per Davekern and Ikan Kekek. Ground Zero (talk) 13:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree, 2 is the best, nicely juxtaposing old and new. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:19, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * 1=2, 0. -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 20:37, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all the votes. I have changed the banner to 2. AlasdairW (talk) 22:25, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

James Joyce Joke
There's a small paragraph just under the `Do` section that contains a joke along the lines of:

So Padraig comes for a job in construction, and the hiring boss says "So can you tell me, what's the difference between a joist and a girder?" "Sure, everyone knows that. Joist wrote Ulysses and Girder wrote Faust."

Is there an history to this joke, and does it make sense to be here?

It seems kinda looped in, I was surprised to see it there. There's not really a direct relation to Dublin itself. Davekern (talk) 16:32, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * is a fan of James Joyce, and started the itinerary about James Joyce's Dublin. I think this is his work. I hope he might say something about it. Ibaman (talk) 21:53, 19 October 2023 (UTC)