Talk:Bethel Census Area

Really?
Aside from the only-a-bureaucrat-could-love-it name, I have to wonder is this sub-region really necessary? The South-Western (Alaska) article isn't exactly overloaded with content yet.
 * I was just going for the whole City - County - Region - State gig... I'm not sure if I'm particularly excited either, but its the actual structure... -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 21:03, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Let's leave "actual structure" for Wikipedia to document. From Project:Geographical hierarchy: "The legal divisions in the geography of the world -- nations, provinces, and cities -- don't necessarily make for reasonable travel divisions. Just because some national government decided it would be easier to administer some swath of land by laying down lines on the official map doesn't mean that they deserve separate articles in Wikivoyage." - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 22:22, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Hmmm... good call. Guess I'll have some work to UNdo now...  :( -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 22:30, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

Census Areas
I have to ask. Is a census area really a region? It seems to me this is an area used to gather statistics and may not be a natural region. I am not sure how these census areas fit into the Wikivoyage geographical hierachy. Does someone who knows Alaska have any better ideas of how the country is divided up? I think this question needs to be asked before we go too far and have to undo things. - (WT-en) Huttite 07:30, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Bethel Census Area

 * Delete. See Unorganized Borough, above. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 21:15, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Why not redirect it to Bethel (Alaska) - once that article is written. Or move it there and rewrite. -- (WT-en) Huttite 21:58, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Bethel Census Area is a county of sorts whereas Bethel is a town. Anyway - I created the census area in an attempt to unorphan an article, yet not clutter the region with tiny villages. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 22:19, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Yeah, redirects are cheap, but there's little point in keeping a redirect for a name no one uses. I forgot to ask about deleting the Bethel Borough redirect to this article as well. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 22:30, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
 * The article is written now and has pages that link from it, so somebody thinks they might use the name. While Bethel may be a town and the census area may be a borough, there is also no reason not to write one combined article that discusses both the town and the surrounding area. This may be worthwhile even if the town or the census area, on their own, do not warrant a separate article. Besides, with the place being mentioned in Wikipedia, travelers are probably going to search for Bethel Census Area if they want to travel there. We should keep these redirects because they provide search associations that are useful to the traveler. -- (WT-en) Huttite 22:53, 29 July 2006 (EDT)
 * If someone's interested in traveling to Bethel, they'll search for "Bethel Alaska"; "Bethel Census Area" is not a name in popular usage (i.e. outside of governance and statistical circles). I think you overestimate the extent to which Wikipedia reflects how travelers perceive the world. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:37, 6 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep, at least for now. I am unconvinced that this is a "name no one uses."  As in the case of the Unorganized Borough, we can stand to keep a couple of eventually extraneous things around while we sort out what the preferred structure for Alaska looks like. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:51, 6 August 2006 (EDT)
 * I'm sorry, I'll clarify: "a name no one in the travel industry and no one who has ever traveled to Alaska without the US Census Bureau picking up the tab". I may have been wrong about this being a valid article (an article for Bethel Borough makes sense), but I've seen nothing to suggest that this is a properly named article.  And I've been looking. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 21:14, 6 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Bethel Borough might be worthwhile, as it is analagous to a county in other states. However, until that is needed I suggest both be redirected to Southwestern Alaska, which are the Wikivoyage regions that contain them. -- (WT-en) Ryan 23:48, 11 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Same as for Unorganized Borough: it's time to do something. Again, I see one person loudly and repeatedly opposed to keeping it, and otherwise, a consensus to keep and de-muddle -- a consensus that sees to be clearer than for Unorganized Borough.  Last call for dissents from keeping (Todd, we already know your position...), otherwise I'll archive the discussion. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:38, 12 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Bill, you obviously don't understand my position, and just as obviously you don't give a damn. -(WT-en) Todd VerBeek 13:04, 12 August 2006 (EDT)
 * See the comment above - a borough is an Alaskan county, so someone is likely to re-create this in the future. Redirect to Southwestern Alaska, and it can always be split out again later if we need to. -- (WT-en) Ryan 12:50, 12 August 2006 (EDT)
 * I've done the redirect and am archiving this. It's time to move on. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:53, 13 August 2006 (EDT)