Talk:Bermuda

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Removed French Wikivoyage Link
The French Wikivoyage link was to a place called Bermudes which I'm quite prepared to believe is the French name for Bermuda. But the intro para of the Bermudes article stated that Bermudes is in the Caribbean, which places it at least 1000 miles away from Bermuda which is in the North Atlantic. I will refer this to the user who added the french link for clarification; in the meantime I've removed the link as it is misleading. -- (WT-en) Chris j wood 08:15, 4 Sep 2004 (EDT)


 * It's not misleading; it's pragmatic. Putting Bermuda (or Bermudes) in the same geographic bucket with Jamaica and Haiti and Cuba and so on makes more sense than putting it in the same bucket with the Azores and Faroe Islands, or the barrier islands of North Carolina.  It's "Caribbean" like Iceland is "European" or the Philippines are "Asian". - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 17:34, 5 June 2006 (EDT)

Cities!
Certainly Hamilton is a city by most definitions (although a very small one of course). It has a cathedral (Anglican I seem to recall) which is one of the basis for older UK cities (notwithstanding the new cities eg Milton Keynes) and is the capital. As to St George's, I suspect that is only a town. In the years I lived there I never saw the name City of St. George! Somerset definately is a town (a hamlet perhaps in any other mainland country as it whizzes by in about 10 seconds when you are roaring down Middle Road at the speed limit (approx 50 km/hr). In the same way I would never include Flatts in there or the Dockyards.

84.112.104.223 10:25, 9 April 2006 (EDT)Candorwien


 * There are many people who use the word "city" in its vernacular generic sense of "a place where lots of people live together with a bunch of buildings all clustered within a small geographic area". (If you need a cathedral, there must be a profound lack of "cities" in heathen lands.) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 17:34, 5 June 2006 (EDT)

Climate
"As a result drinking water is collected on the roofs of all buildings (by law), and in special catchment areas. "

Perhaps a much clearer explanation would be, "As a result, drinking water is collected from the roofs of all buildings (by law), and in special catchment areas, and stored in tanks under the ground for each home or premesis."

84.112.104.223 10:30, 9 April 2006 (EDT)Candorwien

St. George vs. St. George's

 * The official tourism site at http://www.bermudatourism.com uses "Town of St. George" for the town and "St. George's parish" when referring to the parish . (WT-en) OldPine 09:46, 26 August 2006 (EDT)

Bermudians refer to BOTH the town and the parish as St George's (apostrophe S). Former Bermuda resident.


 * Duly noted. Ibaman (talk) 19:43, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Parishes
Any thoughts on setting up the nine Parishes of Bermuda with small city outlines? Right now we have Bermuda and the "cities" of Hamilton and St. George. Several of the Parishes (that don't even have one of the two cities in them) have pretty strong article potential... Southampton, Sandys, Hamilton Parish... and others have lodging, dining, beaches or at least some attraction as noted under "Parishes" in the Bermuda article. I think perhaps a single outline-type listing under "cities" combining the parish list with the city list would allow direct access to the Hamilton and St. George articles from the Bermuda article page. Thoughts? (rephrased from original comment) (WT-en) OldPine 07:40, 27 August 2006 (EDT)

As someone who has visited Bermuda a lot, I think breaking up the Cities section into Parishes instead makes a lot more sense from a traveler's perspective, and I think it would then make sense to include sights on those Parish pages instead of making them pages unto themselves For example, I don't feel that it makes sense for Horseshoe Bay, despite its tourist draw, to be its own page, but the beach and surrounding attractions would make a lot more sense to list under the Southampton Parish. Allegro8032 (talk) July 2017
 * If no one has objections I will go ahead and reorganise all articles into parishes. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:17, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Bermuda Triangle
Like it or not, the first thing a lot of people will think of when you use the name "Bermuda" with them is "the Bermuda Triangle". That being the case, isn't it best to briefly state what and where it is in the "Understand" section? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:38, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Boundaries
The boundary between Smith's Parish and Devonshire Parish is different on Open Maps and Google Maps. Any idea which is correct? Reason for asking is that depending where the line is will define which article two restaurants (Flame and Specialty Inn) should be in. --Traveler100 (talk) 15:56, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There's not much between them. It seems that Google Maps puts Speciality Inn in Smith's Parish, but OpenStreetMap puts Speciality Inn in the Devonshire Parish. On Speciality Inn's website, they include "Smith's" (as in "Smith's Parish") in their address. This seems to imply that Google Maps is right. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 17:14, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I looked at the website for the Bermuda Department of Land Valuation and it seems neither map service is right. Flame is listed in Devonshire Parish according to Land Valuation and Specialty Inn is in Smiths. It doesn't help that their own map moves the boundary between the two parishes around depending on the zoom level. I'll move Flame over to Devonshire so it's in the right parish. -Shaundd (talk) 23:32, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for investigating. --Traveler100 (talk) 06:46, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Guide status?
As SelfieCity and T100 and I have been toiling with this region and its parishes for the last days (big thanks and hoorahs for this teamwork \o/), it seems that by now all the parishes have been upgraded to Usable, and the region is getting closer to deserve upgrade to Guide, if not already so. Let's talk about this upgrade. Ibaman (talk) 16:55, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Almost there, my main concern is the low number of sleep and eat listings in Saint George's considering it size. See section of this article could also be expanded and improved. --Traveler100 (talk) 16:59, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I think some work still needs to go into Devonshire Parish, and maybe Smith's Parish and Paget Parish. But most of the articles could still do with more listings, if possible. But we've definitely made a lot of progress, especially today. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 17:10, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I've also improved the "go next" sections of each article so you can easily get to the other parish articles according to direction. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 18:26, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Update static map?
Do we want to update the static map so it's more like a region map that shows the parishes? If we do, let me know and I can work on it. I'll probably remove the minor roads as part of it -- I think all the small roads are not really useful on the static map (no road names) and they're better handled by the dynamic map. -Shaundd (talk) 06:06, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There is a parish map at Commons. --Traveler100 (talk) 06:48, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Btw, the parishes are on OSM too, so creating dynamic map with the regions should be trivial (I already updated WD the other day)... -- andree.sk (talk) 07:10, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Should look at the dynamic map, maybe also with Regionlist. Tried what I though was syntax but not seeing the shapes


 * I only added most of the osm links today (though), so it should work tomorrow or so.-- andree.sk (talk) 14:26, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, but the OSM boundaries are off slightly as noted in Talk:Bermuda above. In the case of Smiths Parish, a listing will show outside the parish even though it's inside it. It seems potentially confusing. -Shaundd (talk) 19:46, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that the boundary differences in Talk:Bermuda are small and, on the parish map that is displayed in this discussion, there shouldn't be an issue. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 20:01, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Collaboration of the month - Bermuda
Requesting a little support for the final push in October. A number of contributors have reorganised and improved the contents of the parish (city) pages within this region. Could however do with more eat and sleep listings in these pages. Anyone willing to add their knowledge or do some research? --Traveler100 (talk) 05:44, 26 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll get to it if and when I have a chance. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 14:01, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Bermuda COTM
The new COTM is Bermuda and anything breadcrumbed underneath it. These are the tasks:


 * Improve content of listings
 * fix dead links
 * expand description
 * add coordinates, address, phone number
 * Move listings to correct city article from region article. If key POI add some text in region article about it.
 * Add understand section to city article
 * Improve city articles to get them all to usable status
 * Adding See, Sleep and Eat listings were possible.

Some of these need local knowledge or require research, but there are some here that are easy. Here's to the success of another collaboration! --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 00:50, 1 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Would love to see a Bermuda DotM when all this is done! -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:53, 1 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Probably it would be a good place to feature. I would assume that popular destinations which would interest/be accessible to a wide range of people are good choices. --Comment by Selfie City  (<font color="#ac6600">talk about my <font color="#ac6600">contributions ) 02:25, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Results
I think this COTM started poorly but gained momentum as it went along and proved to be fairly successful near the end of the month, when I got more involved. The main Bermuda article is currently at usable status and the parishes mostly have their own articles. The overview article no longer looks like a mess with stuff that shouldn't be there, but instead looks like a good Wikivoyage article. I'm not saying it can't be improved, but it is much better than it was.

Very good progress was made on the St. George's article; St. George, like the capital city Hamilton, is an important tourist destination at Bermuda, and notice the progress made from before the collaboration to now. Hamilton is not great when you consider that it's a capital city (sort-of; Bermuda is not an independent country), but it's not a bad article either.

Overall, I think it was a successful collaboration; I think important tourist destinations like Rio, Hawaii, Bermuda, etc. should have some of Wikivoyage's best articles since they are popular tourist destinations. Unfortunately, many of them are in need of a collaboration. But hopefully COTMs like Bermuda will see us change these problems for the better. --Comment by <font color="Olive">Selfie City  ( talk | <font color="Olive">contributions ) 21:08, 3 November 2018 (UTC)