Talk:Bavarian cuisine

New items
Please only add new items if you can explain them and add a comment if they are local specialities. --(WT-en) Flip666 19:04, 8 April 2006 (EDT)flip

Vegatarian
Bavaria is not really a vegetarian-friendly country. If you want to add a dish to this list make sure it is really Bavarian and not something a restaurant manager decided to be hip at this moment. --(WT-en) Flip666 19:10, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

Bavarian beer
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For a discussion whether this should be a separate article see the Bavarian Beer discussion --(WT-en) Flip666 11:55, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

I don't think that is an article according to our policy. Information relevant to travellers should probably be placed into the Bavaria article instead. Otherwise, it'd possibly fit Wikipedia best. --(WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 18:00, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

Yup, I made a comment regarding this and Bavarian food on the contibutors talk page. So much good info, it would be a shame for it to be outside the guides. (WT-en) Majnoona 18:12, 7 April 2006 (EDT)


 * Ok, but I would like to continue writing it as a separate article an when it is nearly finished decide, if I put it on the Bavaria or the Munich article. The problem is, often Bavaria is reduced to Upper Bavaria and Franconia is forgotten. The local specialities are often different. If we cannot find someone who writes about Franconia maybe we should put it in the Munich article because as I live in Munich I cannot say much about Franconia... --(WT-en) Flip666 11:52, 8 April 2006 (EDT)


 * I think there's definitely a place in Wikivoyage for this kind of article, especially for types of cuisine and food. I'd say it's a localized travel topic targeted towards a specific group of people -- people who take beer seriously. I'd compare Malaysian and Singaporean cuisine as another example. I think it's travel-related. I think we could have a summary on Bavaria, but for the nitty-gritty details move them to another page. I'm not sure it would make sense for every destination or region (do we need Guadalajara beer? Yemeni beer?) but it may be useful here. Let's see how it develops. --(WT-en) Evan 12:13, 8 April 2006 (EDT)


 * As the main author of Malaysian and Singaporean cuisine I don't disagree entirely, but there's a definitely slippery slope here and I think this article is sliding a bit too far down it. Could we just standardize on allowing a Bavarian cuisine, or any other "X cuisine"? (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:20, 8 April 2006 (EDT)


 * Jpatokal makes an excellent point. Bavaria as a whole is quite unusual as far as German states go. Bavarians have a strong connection with the past and traditions and even have some unusual foods that are a bit harder to find in other German localities and states like Oxenscwanzsuppe (Ox tail soup). I think this would best fit under Bavarian food, because these beers and cuisine are Bavarian originals and specialities. (WT-en) Sapphire 12:24, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

political correct
Quote: Neger (meaning "Negro" and it is politically correct to use this word in Germany) Weißbier mixed with coke

It is not political correct to say "Neger" in germany. anyway, it is used in some regions (bavaria...) and by some type of people... "Diesel" is another name for that type of beermix.

Source: --(WT-en) Raffael
 * http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neger
 * http://www.bpb.de/themen/JSTLBP,0,0,Don%B4t_You_Call_Me_Neger.html


 * I should have written "in this context it is political correct". "Diesel" is never used in Bavaria. --(WT-en) Flip666 04:25, 9 April 2006 (EDT)

Making this article less encyclopedic and more travel-related
I think the most obvious way to make this topic more travel-related and less like a Wikipedia article is to give examples of eateries that are particularly famous for various listed foods (e.g., "Kalter Braten is cold Schweinsbraten (roasted pork) cut in thin slices usually served with bread and horseradish. A, B and C in X, Y, and Z are particularly well known for their Kalter Braten.") and also mention where the Brauhäuser for different beers are, with links to articles that have entries for them. For example, I know several of the beers listed under "Brands" have Brauhäuser in Munich. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:18, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The other thing would be to describe the experience of dining and drinking in different kinds of establishments more, so prospective visitors know what to expect and can maximize their enjoyment. Also, things like meal times and dining etiquette, when not specific to Bavaria, can be addressed by referring readers to German cuisine. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:45, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Wrong categorization?
I would categorize this as a travel concern if I were a vegertarian ;), however for most people I would say Travel_activities is a better category. Any objections? Andrewssi2 (talk) 12:21, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, Bavarian and other cuisines are definitely experiences, not concerns. Maybe we should place the whole Food category elsewhere and use it to describe food and drink experiences and put Kosher and Vegetarian travel right under Concern (as there are just two of them).
 * I created a heading under Travel activities for now: Travel_activities
 * What are you suggesting for this categorization? A new article or perhaps a category template? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:56, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * We could arrange Food (maybe rename it Food & Drink or something) under Travel activities and use it for Bavarian cuisine, Coffee, other cuisines etc., and move the two food concerns we currently have right under concern. It's a bit silly to have a Food category for just two articles, as is the case now. ϒpsilon (talk) 04:52, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yup, already done in Travel_activities . Are we good to change the category now? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:25, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If nobody objects, yes. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:53, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

"Unstained"
I'm not sure what the original author meant, but Kellerbier and Zwickl are usually characterized by the fact that they are not filtrated, i.e. they have a shorter shelf life but still contain more of the stuff originally in the beer. Mass market beers are all invariably filtrated which has no upside besides a clearer color and longer shelf life, but makes for a less healthy and less tasty (in the most literal sense - substances that give the beer any taste at all are removed) beer overall. Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:15, 12 March 2017 (UTC)


 * "Unstrained" was probably the intended word, but "unfiltered" would be the word I'd use. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:29, 12 March 2017 (UTC)


 * There is also the German word ungespundet which IIRC means a certain hole in the barrel is left open so that the beer ultimately contains little to no CO2. But don't ask me what that means in English or which beers generally fall under this term. Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:32, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Sorry,I misspelled it. "Unstrained" is correct for "unfiltriert" or "naturtrüb" beer. "Ungespundetes Kellerbier" is a special kind of that, but I also don't know what "ungespundet" is in English. Meanwhile many german breweries have "Naturtrübes" or "Unfiltriertes" but only a few of them are also really "Kellerbier". Sometimes there is a kind of "false labelling": They call beers Kellerbier which are unstrained but not "ungespundet". But of course "Kellerbier" is not a protected name. It is both used for many kinds of "unfiltriertes" beer and for these special franconian ones. The best way is: come and taste it! ManfredV (talk) 09:07, 12 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Well at any rate we should link to Breweries in Franconia. Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:29, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Definitely yes! It is a wonderful page which gives a lot of informations about breweries mainly in Upper Franconia. Unfortunately some breweries and brewery inns of Middle Franconia aren't listed. Buts thats a good reason for travelling and finding out!ManfredV (talk) 10:12, 13 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Should every single brewery be listed, though? And on the rate of traveling, I'm not sure we're currently doing a good enough job of telling people how to get from A to B in that article (notice the redlinks, so people for the most part won't be able to go to the city articles for that information) Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:21, 13 March 2017 (UTC)