Talk:Barcelona/Archive 2010-19

sources to research
--(WT-en) DenisYurkin 11:27, 29 May 2010 (EDT)
 * -- Barcelona overall; many restaurants (in Russian)
 * and -- restaurants and tapas bars of Barcelona (in Russian)

traditional brunch in Barcelona
I love the Spanish Sandwiches, but sometimes I just crave a proper breakfast. There is a very unique event produced by www.homecookingbarcelona.com. They host a brunch event every Sunday and serve the best burger and all the traditional breakfast dishes like American pancakes, English breakfast, salads, New York Bagel (bagel and lox) and they have English Sunday papers and big screen projection for Sunday sports. I vote that this event be included as one of the special things-to-do in Barcelona. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 80.31.221.80 (talk • contribs)

ToDo for the article
See Project:Collaboration of the week.

Link to Virtual tour through Barcelona?
What you think about a link to this page? The page is part of the WorldFlicks site. It shows Barcelona on Google-Maps, with user-selected photos from the highlights of the city projected on map. It is perfect for a virtual tour through the city.

My suggestion: put a link under 'See', for example "Visit Barcelona, a virtual tour through the city". I think this link would give value for people who want to visit Barcelona. What do you think? (WT-en) RonaldR 07:59, 6 November 2007 (EST)


 * See Project:External Links for Why Not. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:58, 6 November 2007 (EST)

quality of hotel/hostel/hostal recommendations
Some hotel recommendations sound overly positive and are not very informative. Sometimes you wonder if it's not plain publicity. Can those familiar with the places edit the paragraphs, add more information and give more "objective" ratings? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 71.247.157.179 (talk • contribs)

hotels and restaurant by quarter
Hi everybody, I think that the hotels and restaurants should go in their quarter page, except the ones that haven't got it. If not, people won't find them (there are restaurants in Old town, Barceloneta, Gracia and Barcelona's main page.... I'll move them in some days, if nobody has another opinion. -pstng


 * I think that sounds great. It might be worth looking at the huge city article template for some ideas about how to split up info between the city page and the district pages. For example, it might be worth pointing out some good districts to eat in, or some notable restaurants, in Barcelona, but leave the full restaurant listing for the district pages.


 * Thanks for continuing to do a great job on this city! --(WT-en) Evan 15:45, 29 Jun 2004 (EDT)

Bus route website
I tried the mobilitat.net URL and got redirected to a page on la Generalitat saying "URL inexistent". Anyone know where it went? -(WT-en) phma 23:55, 14 Jul 2005 (EDT) A great deal of info on Barcelona´s public transport, including busses, can be found at www.tmb.es (Transports Metropolitans de Barcelona)

Thieves
Hi all. I was with my parents in Barcelona and we were driving around looking for a hotel and stopped at some traffic lights, when suddenly two thieves came up to the door - one was the distraction and opened the doors on the right side of the car (didn't steal anything) and the other quietly open the door on the left side and stole my bag: I lost my camera and mobile. It could have been worse but we were really shaken after that and left the city immediately (reported it to the police after that).

Lesson learnt: always lock the car doors, even when you're inside the car (WT-en) Aidan 07:23, 10 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Be a bit careful while riding around the centre, especially aqround Via Laietana. Avoid small, dark and alone streets in the centre at night. Barcelona is not a dangerous city at all, but, as with all the big touristic spots, you need to be a bit aware.


 * YUP I am a BCN resident, and in NOV 2008 and then again in DEC 2008 (both times near the Arc de Triompf) I witnessed the same thing being described above: two young middle-eastern looking guys come up and steal visible bags, opening the car doors. Folks, lock your car doors, you're not in Kansas anymore!!! —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 83.175.236.10 (talk • contribs)

Maccy Dees
Someone has just listed McDonald's as a viable choice for lunch in Barcelona. That's great! I bet everyone goes to Catalunya eager to taste the unique flavour of the Spanish Quarter Pound. Mind you: KFC's and even Hard Rock Cafe have made their way into Barcelona too. You'll never feel hungry again!


 * Please, Barcelona has a very excellent spanish food! Mc Donals, KFC's, HRC,... no it's food, is rubish food.

apartment rentals
so i was trying to edit out the first person ad-like text in the apartment rental sections and i decided that im not sure if any of this content is appropriate for us. they seem like secondary sources and i dont have a good/quick way to tell which are legit. comments/ suggestions? (WV-en) majnoona 13:44, 28 dec 2005 (est)


 * list of web sites removed by (WT-en) Ryan as sites not in compliance with Project:Accommodation listings were adding their sites here

dear [user:maj|majnoona] i think that list of directory could be interesting for visitors!!!


 * if you read external links it says to only use primary sources. i think the problem that (WV-en) majnoona has here is she cannot tell the businesses that are actually renting the appartments from those that are just advertising the appartments and seeking an (extra?) commission as a finders fee for any traveler that blunders into them. what is just as interesting is trying to use a google search to find a holiday apartment/accommodation somewhere and having to wade through all the trash the advertisers put out. as a result the truly legitimate businesses that actually personally rent accommodation get buried because they cannot be identified. -- (WV-en) huttite 15:52, 29 dec 2005 (est)


 * apartment listings are a hard one-- theres been some talk on the irc channel, but no real solutions as to how to put together a policy that distinguishes between what we want and what we dont (its one of those i know it when i see it deals). so were leaning on the side of not allowing any apartment listins, just noting for travelers that this option exists/is popular. were not looking to replace google search or yahoo directory... (WV-en) majnoona 10:26, 16 feb 2006 (est)


 * i went ahead and blew away the apartment listings. the problem i see with them is that its a magnet for people who are more interested in getting that commission, and not in improving wikivoyage.  jonboy 12:25, 21 feb 2006 (est)

i have deleted some sources that are just advertising apartmetns and seeking an extra commission —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 62.57.227.186 (talk • contribs)

I've again removed the list of apartment rental sites - for whatever reason, the Barcelona article is a magnet for people who own aggregator sites, and within hours of editing that section for compliance with Project:Accommodation listings it seems that new non-compliant sites get re-added. -- (WT-en) Ryan &bull; (talk) &bull; 10:57, 9 September 2008 (EDT)


 * I think you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater here. Could we just (say) blacklist persistent spammers instead? (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:25, 9 September 2008 (EDT)


 * I think this was bathwater with no baby, but I've restored the listings with street addresses. If someone with more time could actually follow the URLs and see if these are valid listings it would be appreciated. -- (WT-en) Ryan &bull; (talk) &bull; 15:38, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

Local tips

 * This section was deleted by Peterfitzgerald as he considered this entire section spam. I´d like to hear other opinions before removing this definitely. Is the below useful information or spam? (As a sidenote: I´m the author of the 3th comment. I was quite surprised to see my comment on the Discussion Board marked as spam. If i´d known that, I wouldn´t have bothered answering. IMHO the answers provided are valuable. Also, if this is spam, what about the section English language media in the main article?)


 * I've removed it again, and lets have a discussion before restoring it. It looked like none of that information would pass our Project:External links criteria, and would be removed from the article if posted there (if I'm wrong, feel free to add it to the article). Hence it was posted here. But talk pages are for discussing the article in question, and for nothing else. Certainly not for circumventing our policy on external links. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:22, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

A few new headers
I have added a few provisional new topics including travel to and from Barcelona. I was looking for information regarding how to get from the airport to the city. Also information about hospitals and health care.Please feel free to fill the information.(WT-en) Sulfis 07:35, 13 August 2006 (EDT)

Eat
Oh, please "Barcelona has some of the best restaurants and cafes in Europe" is clearly false to anyone who has been there. It's actually quite difficult to find good food in Barcelona. It is well worth the effort to look as I have had one amazing meal in Barcelona, but you could just as well enjoy eating poor quality sandwitches & drinking a lot of Cava which costs almost nothing at cute & sociable Cava bars.
 * Please feel free to make changes to the guide so that it is more accurate. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 172.213.162.4 (talk • contribs)

Ok, just because eating junk food in a junk part of town gave someone a bad impression doesnt mean there aren't any good restaurants. Think about it: if you eat a bad hot dog in New York City, you don't complain that there's absolutely NOTHING to eat in New York City. There's literally a restaurant of some sort on every block. The same thing can be said about any major city. I am positive there is good food in Barcelona SOMEWHERE. Let's find it! —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 192.206.180.200 (talk • contribs)

I think this may possibly be the dumbest thing ever written on wikivoyage. If you cannot find good food in Barcelona you might as well give up travelling. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 91.126.132.98 (talk • contribs)

Depending on where you are in the city, there may be restaurants galore, or none at all. The following areas tend to be restaurant "hubs", with a large variety of restaurants to choose from: Barcelonetta, Eixample Izquierda (between Gran Via and Mallorca), Barrio Gotico (especially for tapas), and "El Borne" (next to Barrio Gotico). It´s true that food in Barcelona (and Spain in general) may not always satisfy an American palate, as seafood, fish, and meditereanean cuisine tend to predominate. One must also get used to the idea that many if not most restaurants serve "tapas" which are meant for sharing, and not individual meals - one aspect of Spanish food culture. Around Plaza Catalunya there are dozens of restaurants serving excellent tapas. If you don´t know what to choose, ask the waiter to bring you a selection of popular ones. If you´re looking for a place where everyone can choose their own meal, ask for restaurants that serve "platos combinados", which is the closest thing to an American/Northern European meal. Time Out Barcelona is a good source to find restaurants. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 95.62.173.75 (talk • contribs)


 * &rarr;I've incorporated this into the article; please welcome to edit the article further: Barcelona. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:24, 22 November 2010 (EST)

Juicy Jones
Just had lunch with friends at the Juicy Jones restaurant. The only good thing I have to say is that the service was friendly. I'm a person who is quite happy with most foods but all of our dishes were terrible. In case it wasn't bad enough, they also added strawberry sauce on top of my pizza.... Just don't go there. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 85.64.49.75 (talk • contribs)

Protection
I've temporarily protected this page, mostly in the hope of getting an editor's attention. Project:Accommodation listings details the criteria for listing an apartment rental agency in a Wikivoyage article, and explains why edits have been (repeatedly) reverted. Another sysop should un-protect this page as soon as it is reasonable to do so. -- (WT-en) Ryan (talk) 03:35, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

Useful phrases?
I was in Barcelona a few days ago and I thought it would be useful if this page gave information on useful Spanish and Catalan phrases. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 218.250.157.204 (talk • contribs)


 * It does... it links to our Spanish and Catalan phrasebooks... see Barcelona – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 20:01, 6 August 2007 (EDT)

why Harbour aerial tramway moved to Barceloneta?
I wonder why "Harbour aerial tramway" info was moved to Barceloneta article from Barcelona.

Am I right that it can be both from Montjuic and Barceloneta, as well as from the mid-point in the downtown? If so, it would look more natural to have detailed info in the Barcelona article, while only providing brief mentions on it in the respective district articles. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:11, 11 September 2007 (EDT)


 * The aerial tramway/ cable car runs from right by the beach in Barceloneta to Montjuic there is no stop off mid town. The fare is around 5 euros and gives splendid views of the city between Barcelonetta and Montjuic. The is a mid station, yet it is not possible to get off here and is not near downtown Barcelona.(WT-en) HJ.Phillips94 13:12, 24 February 2009 (EST)


 * Moved back to Barcelona, as long as it doesn't belong to any single district. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 20:00, 4 March 2009 (EST)

Barcelona's cuisine is hit-or-miss

 * Barcelona's cuisine is hit-or-miss

What exactly is meant by this? Can we say the same with simpler words without changing the meaning? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:27, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

price ranges

 * This guide uses the following price ranges for a typical meal for one, including soft drink:

What should we call a typical meal for Barcelona? Is it menu del dia, or a main course (in the same place, price for simplest pasta can be different from a large steak fivefold), or something else? I would vote for menu del dia when a cafe/restaurant has it, and when it haven't, choose some reference plate like paella which can be found in most places. Comments, please? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:38, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

districtifying Sleep section
Recently I talked to Oriolbcn and he contributed the following contribution on how to districtify the Sleep section. Oriolbcn has also performed most of the work on moving listings into their districts; today I finished with that.

Please share your comments if there's anything wrong or could be improved. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 13:31, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Hi Denis, as it's suggested in the "contribute" part of the wikivoyage rules for business owners, i'm giving you (as oposite to change it myself) the list of all hotels, hostels, etc. listed on the main article that should be placed in the different districts:


 * BTW, what exactly made you think that you can't contribute yourself? Was it this piece?
 * One thing we ask you never to do is to remove information about your competitors.
 * But it's only about removal of other listings. Anyway, if it causes confusion and allows misreading, please help us to improve the WelcomeBizOwners page that I referred you to. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:10, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

HOTELS:
 * Abba Sans Hotel: Eixample
 * Best Western Premier Hotel Regina: Eixample
 * Grand Hotel Central: Ciutat Vella
 * Granados 83: Eixample
 * HCC Covadonga: Eixample (in this case it's Sarria St Gervasi, for 10 metres but as this district is not listed...)
 * Hotel Barcelona Catedral: Ciutat Vella
 * Hotel Contado: Eixample (Same as Covadonga: it's Sarria St. Gervasi, for 50 metres...)
 * Hotel Cuatro Naciones: Ciutat Vella
 * Hotel Lloret: Ciutat Vella
 * Hotel Gran Via: Eixample
 * Hotel Lleó: Ciutat Vella
 * Hotel Omm: Eixample
 * Hotel Silken Concordia: Eixample (Same as a couple before, this is Poble Sec distric, but just for 10 meters)
 * The Royal Ramblas: Ciutat Vella

APARTMENTS:

All of them except the following cannot be located as they are agencies offering apartments in different locations


 * Apartments Tasmania: Ciutat Vella
 * Aparthotel Silver: Gracia

HOSTAL & PENSION:


 * Pensión Norma: Gracia
 * Pension Alamar: Ciutat Vella
 * Hostal Levante: Ciutat Vella
 * Athome Barcelona Apartments: THIS IS AN APARTMENT AGENCY
 * Nice Barcelona Bed and Breakfast: THIS IS AN AGENCY ALSO
 * Las Ramblas Bed & Breakfast: Ciutat Vella
 * Hostal Barcelona City Centre: Eixample
 * Pension Barcelona City Ramblas: Ciutat Vella
 * Guesthouse Barcelona City Urquinaona: Eixample
 * Barcelona City North: Sarria St Gervasi (sorry this is too much inside this district to call it otherwise... maybe gracia)

HOSTELS:


 * Bohemia Barcelona: Eixample (this shouldn't be called a hostel though, as it has a "Pension" license)
 * If it does affect traveller in any way, we should mention it. But how it does, in fact? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 13:46, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Well this is tricky, it affects the definition of a hostel and a pension, and in some cases the border between them can be quite blurry... I guess it depends on the spirit of the place, more like a hotel: nobody talks and meets nobody, or it's a more comunal place where travellers share their experiences, etc. In the end is how they want to define themselves, or the person who wrote the description feels the kind of place it is... I guess we should leave it as it is... (WT-en) Oriolbcn


 * Residencia Australia and Hostal Central: Ciutat Vella (same thing as before, their license is a "student residence" for the first and a "pension" for the other.
 * They are located in the Eixample  Both are liscensed as Pensions. All hostals are licensed as Pensions. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 80.33.26.200 (talk • contribs)


 * The Welcome INN: Ciutat Vella
 * Itaca: Ciutat Vella
 * Kabul: Ciutat Vella (as it's stated in the same description)
 * Pere Tarrés Youth Hostel: Eixample

Regards, --User:(WT-en) Oriolbcn

(WT-en) Oriolbcn, do you mean that we'd better have "Sarria St. Gervasi" district for these items: HCC Covadonga, Hotel Contado, Barcelona City North? And "Poble Sec" for Hotel Silken Concordia? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 13:46, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
 * This is also tricky... I'm not sure I have an answer... In Barcelona there are a number of districts apart from the 4 that are listed in the article. I'm preparing a description of them all with the official borders to share with you when finished... However in terms of giving useful information to the visitor, even if those hotels are "legally" in another distric, they are so close to the better known one that it might be more informative to name the better known name than the other... I don't know... In some of the cases above the difference is being on one side of the street or on the other!... What do you think? --(WT-en) Oriolbcn


 * I guess that for now it's OK to stick these businesses to the nearest district we have.
 * And yes, we absolutely need suggestions on how we can define district borders. Maybe you can share what you already have, even if not all districts are covered yet? It will really help to start a discussion towards reaching consensus. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 15:03, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Els Quatre Gats
I removed the following piece on Els Quatre Gats until we reach some consensus:

> In should be a tourist trap - but it isn't

I've been in Els Quatre Gats, and found nothing that make it NOT a tourist trap. What was the reason for such a characteristic? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 08:13, 10 November 2007 (EST)

wrong pricing
Menu del dia for 21 euro, the one who wrote this must have been drunk. It's 12,97 + 7% Value added tax. http://www.4gats.com/menu.html —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 83.57.96.5 (talk • contribs)
 * Looks like I've filled it out on a weekend. Right now I can see menu del dia for Sep 20 (Saturday) on the link you've provided. And it's 23.90+VAT:
 * De 13.00 a 16.00h 23.90 € +7%IVA
 * I'll take a look at it on a weekday also. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:43, 21 September 2008 (EDT)


 * It's 18.50€ on Monday, Sep 22. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:45, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

removal of the Cafes section
I disagree with removal of Cafes section, as it IS helpful for traveller:
 * it is useful to know that StarBucks IS available in the city--for those who find easier to trust the brand he knows rather than going through trial-and-mistake with local cafes
 * before we have a good coverage of proven local cafes in the region, it's better to list Star Bucks than to list nothing
 * it is as NOT ubiquitous as it normally is--so those who normally rely on it in other cities can't always be sure it's easy to find, and thus either should have other recommended places in hand, or should be ready to walk long enough to reach the nearest SB

As for Capuccino:
 * it IS ubiquitos
 * it looks attractive enough to try when there's nothing else to try. For example, in Born area one expects that Starbucks should be there, but it is not. So he tends to try Capuccino--and the experience shows he shouldn't, but should seek other place.
 * we have the following mention in the avoidance policy: If a destination has only a few reviews (or a few accommodation options), and some are negative, do not delete them — some information is better than none.

I can think about making the text less advertising, but I disagree that these facts should have completely no coverage. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:15, 8 December 2007 (EST)


 * Regarding Starbuck's, I'm going to stick to my guns here and say it is totally unnecessary. In all of Wikivoyage there are currently only 12 articles which even contain a mention of Starbuck's. Not even all of those actually list Starbuck's in the Drink section, and I'd say none of them should, as they are all just random places which happen to have a Starbuck's. I feel Starbuck's to be in the same boat as McDonald's or Pizza Hut when it comes to desirability of listing. With regard to the negative listing of Capuccino, I'd also still say to axe it, though my feeling isn't quite as strong as with Starbuck's. I'd say axe it though, because 1) there are at least 3 other positive cafe recommendations in the district articles, and 2) Cafes is not an official mandatory section header in the first place. Because of these 2 things, I don't believe it really qualifies for the exception mentioned in the avoidance policy. (WT-en) Texugo 21:09, 9 December 2007 (EST)

-bump


 * I think that mentioning Starbucks (rather than a listing) is mostly harmless, but also a bit pointless if they're as ubiquitous in W.Europe as Mickey D's. Similarly, mentioning Capuccino as a low-quality local chain would stop short of an outright "avoid" listing, while still providing arguably useful info to the traveler. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:58, 11 December 2007 (EST)
 * Here is my question: Seeing as how Starbucks has over 13,000 locations in 42 countries and continues to open an average of 7 new stores a day, would it be OK with you to mention Starbucks in the articles of every city that has one? Really? Because if not, why should it be mentioned here in this case? To me the precedent this sets seems to imply that if it's OK for a city as big and with as many options as Barcelona, then we might as well mention it in every mediocre middling-size city in Japan, Thailand, South Korea, etc... Personally, I really don't want to see that slippery slope.
 * Another thing, I think Denis's first argument about listing it for those who want a brand they know is fallacious and a rather counter-productive attitude for a guidebook to have. For one, it could serve as an argument to list every McDonald's, Outback Steakhouse, TGI Fridays, and Pizza Hut in the world just so people can have food they trust. However, while we certainly want to offer a couple of comfort food options for, say, the weary traveller who is tired of eating pickled fish penis and seaweed all the way across the Japanese countryside, we still try to avoid pointing people towards international mega-chains in the Japan articles. I remain unconvinced that we need to cater to the sorry bloke back in Barcelona whose day is going to be ruined if his morning coffee isn't from Starbucks. If people are that afraid to try new things, maybe they should just stay home. At any rate, I'd rather write guides that emphasize good things to try that can't be found just anywhere. Besides, with 17 Starbucks locations in mostly the more-trafficked areas of Barcelona, I find it unlikely that anyone could spend more than a few hours there without happening across one anyway. (WT-en) Texugo 19:07, 11 December 2007 (EST)
 * I agreed that it was pointless; sorry I'm not as emphatic in my dislike for it. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 19:35, 11 December 2007 (EST)

For now, one thing to add to this discussion: recently we saw that Starbucks was added to the Moscow article. Do you guys mean that this listing should be also removed from Moscow as well? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 15:14, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

removal of El Glop
Texugo, what was wrong with this piece? Why have you removed it from the article?


 * 

--(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:58, 13 December 2007 (EST)
 * Ummmm, hmph. I have no idea, no recollection of that. However, I have been trying to move all the restaurant listings to their respective district article page, and that one is clearly in Eixample, which is where I have put it now. (WT-en) Texugo 18:41, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Barcelona Dream
Guys, this hostel: Barcelona Dream, listed in the Barceloneta district sleep, is not even in Barcelona city. It's located in Badalona. A close by city. We could discuss if it could be of any use to list it in "La Mina" or some other neighbourhood, but definetely not Barceloneta. I remove it for now. (WT-en) Oriolbcn 27 dec 2007

Hotel Covadonga Website
The Hotel Covadonga's website is www.hotelcovadonga dot com. Some kind of spam filter isn't allowing me to add the URL - it's suspicious of the "donga dot com" part... Anyone who knows a way around that, please add it!

(This hotel is listed in the /Eixample page, but I can't seem to add a comment there - no idea why it's not working, and no error message. Sorry about that.) —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 217.34.51.167 (talk • contribs)


 * I added this to the spam whitelist and it seems to be working now. (WT-en) Texugo 18:32, 7 January 2008 (EST)

district borders
Barcelona article is divided into districts. Can someone define borders for the districts used? We need to have a consensus on district borders to be sure everyone uses the same district name for the same area of the city. When we have a consensus, I'd propose to include district borders definition into Barcelona, as Project:Geographical hierarchy suggests. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:12, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

The following set of districts was recently added to the article. I reverted the edit--let's discuss it here first:
 * Barcelona is divided into 10 districts, but the most important and interesting for visitors are:
 * Ciutat Vella - Barcelona's old town, including the medieval Barri Gotic, plus the seafront area of Barceloneta
 * Eixample - modernist quarter, noted for its art nouveau buildings
 * Gràcia - historically a working class neighborhood, now rather gentrified, and very lively
 * Sants-Montjuïc - includes Estadi Olímpic Lluís Companys, the Magic Fountains and the Poble Espanyol
 * The other districts are:
 * Les Corts - includes the Camp Nou home of FC Barcelona plus the Pebralbes Monastery.
 * Sarrià-Sant Gervasi - includes Tibidabo
 * Horta-Guinardó
 * Nou Barris
 * Sant Andreu
 * Sant Martí - includes the new seafront developments of the Forum/Diagonal Mar.

First of all, can we define borders for the districts that we already have in the first place--Ciutat Vella, Eixample, Gràcia, Barceloneta?

After defining borders for them we can proceed to adding articles on the rest of the districts. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 18:07, 27 September 2007 (EDT)


 * For the same reason, I am reverting addition of Sant Gervasi . Let's reach consensus first whether official districts are convenient division for an average traveler: Talk:Barcelona. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 15:01, 21 September 2008 (EDT)


 * i just inserted sants by mistake... not sants-montjuic.. but i think it's better to keep a seperate page for mountjuic anyway, which is more "do" then barrio.. i guess it's pretty easy to seperate ciutat vella (everything in the gothic centre..) from eixample (south of diagonal) and gracia (north of it..). i don't know whether it makes sense to add non-touristic barris like horta etc.
 * (WT-en) nagchampa 18:16, 2 October 2007 (EDT)


 * Thanks for your ideas on Ciutat Vella, Eixample and Gracia. But what exactly is "Gothic Centre" then--what borders does it have? Maybe, by which streets is it bordered?
 * And do you have ideas on Barceloneta--where are borders between it and other district(s)?
 * As for Sants and Montjuic: we still don't have borders for them, your suggestions? ;-)
 * Until we reach some consensus on district list and borders, please don't add new districts to the article (and I reverted Sants for a while). It's always easy to create a bunch of new articles, but it's really hard work to rework existing articles if we change our mind on list of districts or borders between them. So let's reach a consensus first.
 * --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 04:52, 3 October 2007 (EDT)


 * Hi there, here's some clarification about the districts (please someone correct the english):


 * 1- Ciutat Vella: The historic district, circled by walls until 1859, and today circled by -looking at the map from left to right-: Avda Paral·lel, Ronda de sant Pau, Ronda de sant Antoni, Plaça Universitat, Carrer Pelai, Plaça Catalunya, Ronda de Sant Pere, Plaça Urquinaona, Carrer de Trafalgar, Passeig Lluis Companys, the Ciutadella Park, and the sea on the South.


 * It's divided into 4 parts: from La Rambla to the west it's called the Raval: the working class part of the old city. In the center, from La Rambla to the east until Via Layetana, we found the Gothic Quarter: It's the oldest part, with the goverment and the city hall main buildings, and lots of palaces and gorgeus noble houses. To the east of Via Layetana, we have La Rivera quarter, it was the medieval expansion of the city and it's mainly a popular neighbourhood with some of the finest churches (Santa Maria del Mar, Sant Pere) and the modernist esplosion of El Palau de la Musica Catalana. To the south we can find La Barceloneta, it's the newest part of the old district. Was mainly a fishmen neighbourhood, created in the XVII century to relocate the people that had to leave La Rivera when the construction of the Ciutadella Park.


 * I will try to visualize these quarters as well, bit later. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 13:49, 21 October 2007 (EDT)


 * I've just updated the map--split Ciutat Vella into quarters; it can be seen at the same address at Google Maps. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 15:49, 10 November 2007 (EST)


 * 2- Eixample: The modern Barcelona was born here. District planned by the urbanist Ildefons Cerdà. During the burstling XIX century, the walls of the city were tore down. As a result of the economic prosperity and following Cerda's design, the Eixample assembles a huge amount of modernist and deco buildings unrivalled anywhere else in Europe (some of the best known: La Sagrada Familia, La Pedrera (Casa Mila), Casa Batlló, Casa Lleó Morera).


 * The district is north of Ciutat vella, limited (from left to right in the map) by: Avda Paral·lel, Carrer de Tarragona, Avda Josep Tarradellas, Avda Diagonal, Carrer de Corsega, Carrer de Dos de Maig, Avda Meridiana and the borders of Ciutat Vella again on the south.


 * 3- Gracia: Independent village until 1897, narrow streets and tiny squares, before farmers and artisans, now a very young, left wing, full of artists and political activists. Always a couple of political meetings, an exhipbition, a concert and a street market going on at the same time. You can also find, in the north the famous Park Güell.


 * Gracia is limited on the south by Avda Diagonal, and carrer de Corsega. In the east by Carrer Gran de Gracia, Carrer Republica Argentina and Avda de l'Hospital Militar and on the west by Carrer Sardenya.


 * Hope this is helpful, I'll be adding the rest of the neighbourhoods if you think it's helpful. Regards. --(WT-en) Oriolbcn


 * Thanks for great work, (WT-en) Oriolbcn! --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 15:23, 10 November 2007 (EST)

The official district borders can be found here (official Barcelona City Hall Website): http://www.bcn.es/guia/welcomea.htm Other than that, the barrio found north of Via Laietana is called "La Ribera", not "La Rivera". La Ribera is itself split into El Born (east of Calle Princesa, down to Barceloneta) and Sant Pere (west of Calle Princesa, up to Calle Trafalgar).(WT-en) Jullag 13:48, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Hi everybody. I think it is easy to solve that one... districts in Barcelona are an official administrative division set by the City Council. It is as easy as going to the City COuncil web site, and look for the Barcelona Map... it draws the limits of District... The address is Barcelona City Council. This is the English version... I'm afraid I cannot reproduce it here, according to what Wikivoyage says about images (at least I won't take the time to verify wether I ca reproduce it or not), but hope it's Ok to give the link... Hope it helps ! —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Fgranados (talk • contribs)

questions
I've tried to visualize these borders at Google Maps, here's the result. Does it look like what Oriolbcn meant?
 * Update: (28.11.2007) As Google Maps allows to collaborate on user maps, I can share it for further edits--just leave your email address at gmail here.

De-coding guides by Oriolbcn gave me some questions, however: Ciutat Vella: Gracia is missing northern border--where it should be? Overall, if you find any mistakes in showing Oriolbcn instructions on the map -- please let me know. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:41, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
 * does it include Placa de Catalunya?
 * does it include Plaça Universitat?
 * which part of the seaside area is included? Moll de Ponent? Moll 18A/Moll18C? Passeig Escullera? Maremagnum? Marina Village? Moda Shopping Port Olympic? All of them?


 * Hey there, regarding your questions:
 * Ciutat Vella:
 * Plaça Catalunya is not included (only the southern border of the square)
 * Plaça Universitat is also not included (only the southern border of the square)
 * Seaside area: all is ciutat vella except Port Olimpic.
 * Gracia:
 * The northern border is more or less where you drew it. The city up there is a little bit unclear to me...
 * The rest is perfect. --(WT-en) Oriolbcn 23:14, 3 december 2007


 * I've just updated the map to reflect these changes. Anything else needs to be changed?
 * And what about borders of Barceloneta? See the paragraph below. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 13:43, 4 December 2007 (EST)

Where exactly is the border of La Barceloneta? Where is it on northern-west? And for seaside area, same questions as for Ciutat Vella as a whole: which of these should be included: Moll de Ponent, Moll 18A/Moll18C, Passeig Escullera, Maremagnum, Marina Village, Moda Shopping Port Olympic, all of them? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 13:49, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

official borders
Recently I've found a reference to official division at Wikipedia:
 * > The current division of the city in different districts was approved in 1984.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Districts_of_Barcelona

Any idea how we can find the document mentioned, and use its borders at Wikivoyage? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 13:51, 4 December 2007 (EST)

A second attempt gave me detailed scheme of official borders for each district: under the above link, click any given disctrict and then click "El territoris i els barris" on the left-hand navigation menu. Here are the maps for the districts we already have: From there, you can find borders of specific sub-districts like Raval or Gothic Quarter
 * Ciutat Vella:
 * Sants-Montjuïc:
 * l'Eixample:
 * Gràcia:
 * Sant Martí:

If we save detailed description of each district's borders, it seems like a most natural way to follow. And I think it's a good idea to merge back Barceloneta back into Ciutat Vella, at least with amount of content we have so far. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:09, 11 January 2008 (EST)


 * I think the safest bet about official borders is to use the map in the Official Barcelona webpage: http://www.bcn.cat/guia/welcomea.htm --15.195.185.82 16:48, 31 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Whoa, that's useful! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:14, 31 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Thanks for sharing the link. So do you think that official borders are good for an average traveler for better understanding the city structure, and for us to split Barcelona article into district sub-articles? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 20:33, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

districts proposal
OK, I've invited many Wikivoyageers for the following proposal on district borders for Barcelona. Any comments/criticism/suggestions are all highly welcome. After 2 weeks from now I will plunge forward to implement the above changes, if no comments follow. Any help with these efforts will be absolutely appreciated. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:51, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * 1) We use official set of districts and their official borders, as defined by maps in  (for individual district selected, its map is under 'El territori i els barris' link in the left-hand navigation). Specifically, for existing district articles we follow these maps: Ciutat Vella, l'Eixample , Gràcia:
 * 2) We agree to create district articles for any of the first-level districts listed there, once we have any content for it.
 * 3) We agree not to split Ciutat Vella article or other district articles into subdistrict articles until we have too much content for a single article (as defined by consensus). However, we can group listings within Ciutat Vella article by the subdistricts as defined by the above official maps of subdistricts.
 * 4) We merge back Barceloneta article into Ciutat Vella.
 * 5) For reference purposes, we save text description of street-by-street detailed borders for each district, on top of this page--Talk:Barcelona.


 * I would like to restart the work on districtifying Barcelona. How about first create new articles for Sants-Montjuïc and Sant Martí, merge Barceloneta into Ciutat Vella, and create an Inland Suburbs article for the remaining districts, which we will have little content for?, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 16:26, 2 May 2011 (EDT)


 * Thanks for the great work! Don't mind if we celebrate it in a common room? :-)
 * BTW, have you considered to update My Maps in Google Maps to clearly define borders of districts? Having such a map is really helpful in deciding which district any new particular address should be sticked to. I am ready to share the map for editing with you, just need your email address to send invitation to. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:14, 13 May 2011 (EDT)


 * Please selebrate all you can! But I do not know how to update the google map, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 19:17, 13 May 2011 (EDT)

street-by-street description of borders
(as defined by the official district borders) Ciutat Vella:
 * Av. del Paral·lel
 * Ronda de Sant Pau
 * Ronda de Sant Antoni
 * (Plaça Universitat not included)
 * Carrer Pelai
 * Carrer de Trafalgar
 * Carrer de Roger de Flor
 * Pg. de Pujades
 * Carrer de Wellington
 * Carrer de Wellington

Eixample:
 * Av. del Paral·lel
 * Carrer de Tarragona
 * Avda Josep Tarradellas
 * (square not included)
 * Avda Diagonal
 * Carrer de Corsega
 * Pg. de Sant Joan
 * C/del Rossello
 * C/de Sant Antoni ?Maria Clanet
 * C/del Dos de Maig
 * (Placa de les Glories not included)
 * Av. Meridiana
 * Plaça Catalunya (included)
 * Plaça Universitat (included)
 * Ronda de Sant Antoni
 * Ronda de Sant Pau
 * Plaça Universitat (included)
 * Ronda de Sant Antoni
 * Ronda de Sant Pau

Gracia:

Suzet
I am removing Suzet as it has been closed for a few years now. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Kevindowd (talk • contribs)


 * Thanks for explanation. In future, when you remove something please provide your reasons for removal in "Summary:" text field--right above the "Save page" button. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 18:55, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

New Year Day
What will be the best place to meet the New Year Day in Barcelona? Say a place with good food, live music, open at midnight 31 Dec/1Jan and with the price tag below 100euros per person? (WT-en) Alex Bakharev 00:13, 19 December 2008 (EST)


 * As the traveler comes first here, I've seen many advices like this requested and received at TripAdvisor. If you find little help there, consider simply walking around the restaurants recommended in Wikivoyage and asking for their schedule for the NY night and relevant special offers. Start asking the day you arrive, so you have some advance to find several options to choose from, and still some seats left to be booked.
 * And please consider starting an article like New Year holidays in Hungary when you're back--share whatever experience you gain. If you need help, try asking me. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:54, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Maps
This article is seriously lacking a map, anyone who had never visited Barcelona would have no clue as to where all the fantastic attractions are.(WT-en) HJ.Phillips94 13:18, 24 February 2009 (EST)

right place for [genuine] sangria
What Eat/Drink places can be recommended to taste a real, genuine sangria? I heard many times that in most bars, sangria is far from good--but was not lucky to find a right place for gaving sangria in the city. Any advice? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 14:06, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

apartments blacklist
Following two recent edits by Jpatokal, I implemented a first cut for my idea from CoTM:
 * create an article-local blacklist of apartment agencies--those who repeatedly add themselves. It can be created as a subpage of Talk:Barcelona, and easily derived from history of reverts in Barcelona. It will make easier to prune frequently re-added agencies that violates our policy.

For now, I only added the agencies that should not be listed in the district articles as they rent apartments in multiple districts.

Welcome to add more agencies, as it will help to revert repeated additions of the same agencies.

I am not sure whether the page name chosen complies well with our naming policies--please rename if you feel like it. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 12:40, 25 August 2009 (EDT)


 * Oops, I forgot to provide a link: Project:Barcelona/Apartments blacklist. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 18:29, 20 November 2009 (EST)


 * Update: it moved here: Project:Local spam blacklist. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:41, 17 August 2010 (EDT)

Talk section
I've become a bit upset after reading the "Talk" section. I think that the statement "Around 30% of local people consider that Catalonia is a nation" is completely wrong! I'll just give you two facts: In fact, only two small parties (PPC and Cs) are against this statement. It's a very common impression in Barcelona.
 * The 1979 Catalan Constitution said in his first article "Catalonia is a nationality" and it was supported by the 88,15% of Catalan citizens in a referendum.
 * The 2005 Catalan statute proposal said in his first article "Catalonia is a nation" and it was supported by the 88% from the members of the Catalan Parliament.

Apartments
There is no point in listing apartments in the main Barcelona article. --(WT-en) inas 19:46, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
 * 1) There are too many to avoid arriving at our non-goal of making a yellow pages.
 * 2) Since they are only agencies, we will not be able to incorporate information from travellers - they will be forever just having ads.
 * 3) The information in the current listing doesn't actually give any information about the accommodation, there is no basis for the traveller to choose.
 * 4) Arguably they already clash with our external links policy.  They don't list any specific accommodation a traveller can actually stay in.


 * This seems fair for this particular article (and maybe Madrid and a few others, too) which seems to be a magnet for spammy listings. -- (WT-en) Ryan &bull; (talk) &bull; 21:55, 14 September 2009 (EDT)


 * I haven't looked into it carefully, but the apt agencies have been active in adding these spammy listings across multiple language versions. I've been tempted to nuke them for a while. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:22, 14 September 2009 (EDT)


 * Looks like the same should be applied to Rome and Budapest, naming from the articles I have in my watchlist. Pitifully, as I personally experienced a decent agency in Rome (fitting into our criteria) with which I rented an apartment I really fell in love with. But I can't propose a good way for sticking that info in Wikivoyage (except having a separate article for each hotel etc, which idea alone was far from consensus last time we discussed it -- or finding a way to describe individual apartments which didn't find any support so far). --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 18:20, 17 September 2009 (EDT)


 * ::Hello, I add again whotells apartments. They are directe apartment hoteliers, is NOT an agency looking for and extra comission, and in my experience, every time I go to Barcelona I sleep in whotells, because are nice flats well designed and furnished by MUJI.

Airport Connection - normal bus?
Isn't there also a normal bus (46?) that connects the airport with the city? That info is missing.
 * If you are sure that there is, please just add the information to the article.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 03:29, 12 February 2010 (EST)

Clarify how busy August is
The article currently says that August is the busiest time of year in Barcelona, and also says that it really quiet because everyone has left for vacation. I'd appreciate clarification. In what sense is it particularly busy in August (a lot of European tourists?), and in what sense is it quiet?

Map
I thought it could have been a good idea to copy the following map from Wikimedia, but I cannot find out how to do it. Maybe someone else knowsw how to do it??

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/MapaBCN_Distritos01.jpg --(WT-en) Oddeivind 10:45, 12 May 2011 (EDT)


 * I am working on a map, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 12:39, 13 May 2011 (EDT)


 * Done, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 14:36, 13 May 2011 (EDT)

Replacement of pagebanner
Please discuss replacement banners and reach a consensus to change them before taking action. I have not visited Barcelona, but the older pagebanner seems more distinctive and visually interesting to me, so on the face of it, I would oppose replacing it.





What do you all think? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:46, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Thatotherperson talk contribs  01:11, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * To be fair to the person who did the swap, the banner that you've labelled as "new" is actually the old banner that I replaced with the current one. It was originally added by an I.P. user with non-standard dimensions, so I cropped it to 7:1 and re-uploaded it before deciding I would rather have simply used a different banner, hence the current one. Looking through the page history, it looks like there were at least a couple other banners I wasn't aware of that had been replaced without discussion before the banner with the wrong dimensions was added. Anyway, I obviously prefer the current banner, but I'm not sure there's really an established status quo here.


 * Thanks for recapping the interesting editing history of this page. But regardless, the established status quo of the site as a whole is that when there is more than one possible pagebanner under consideration for a page, a consensus should be reached on which is best. Why do you like this one better? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:14, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Thatotherperson talk contribs  02:07, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If you're looking for specifics, I think the current banner has better coloration and gives a more unique impression of the city.


 * User:Agustin Bartolome has inserted a new banner. I wish he would wait for consensus, but I do like it better than the other two. Barcelona banner panorama.jpg Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:40, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Thatotherperson talk contribs  00:41, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's actually also not a new banner – it's our banner from the regional article one step up in the hierarchy, Barcelona (province). If we can find another good banner for that page then we could discuss a possible transfer, but I've reverted the change for now as per our policy against duplicate banners.

Two more options (from Wiki Loves Monuments). I personally like the idea of having something bright and modernist. It conveys the feel of Barcelona much better and will be more recognizable than another cityscape or the baroque fountain. --Alexander (talk) 22:53, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm actually not so keen on these. I don't see how the modernist architecture could any more easily be associated with Barcelona than the pictures of the city would. But still, thanks for showing us these! --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 04:24, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * SelfieCity, then you haven't been to Barça! Modernism and Barcelona are like two sides of the same coin, so these banners represent the city extremely well. I dislike the previous proposals and am glad they didn't go anywhere, but equally the existing one is a bit tired. I'd like to give 208 a shot. Alexander, are you sure that they're the right dimensions? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:11, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * 208 has the aspect ratio of 6.99. Is it a problem? --Alexander (talk) 22:08, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm okay with that. Sounds close enough to me. If consensus is for this banner (by the way, I don't see consensus yet), I'm okay with it; I wouldn't stand in the way of it. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 23:46, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Personally I like 211 a little better than 208, and I think Gaudí is more famous than Joan Miró as an icon of Barcelona. But I would be happy with either of the two new proposals—both of them represent the city better than the current fountain, IMO. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:30, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I like 211 too, but 208 may fit better - with 'Barcelona' being over the sky, and the art being totally uncovered.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 01:06, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

So, will I introduce 208, or are there any other opinions? @SelfieCity? --Alexander (talk) 20:01, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Replaced the banner. --Alexander (talk) 07:52, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Taxis?
Has discussion been accidentally removed, or never developed? Am not qualified to develop the content. Regards, Hennejohn (talk) 22:33, 11 May 2018 (UTC)