Talk:Azerbaijan

Factbook Factoids
I have moved in a whole lot of factbook factoids to give the outline some content and hopefully give people some ideas. Feel free to edit these as appropriate. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:23, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

Link Bar
I'm unsure of how to post on the link bar, but I think that the Ministry of Youth, Sports and Tourism should have a link on the page. The address is http://azerbaijan.tourism.az/.

Regions Hierarchy for Azerbaijan
I removed the administrative divisions from the main page because they are not useful to the traveler and are visually overwhelming. The links, which I have copied below, should be turned into redirects to the appropriate Azerbaijani regions once we have worked out a hierarchical regional structure for the country.


 * This is now done. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:38, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

Off the top of my head here's a stab at a travel regions hierarchy for Azerbaijan: "Absheron Peninsula and surrounding areas?," "Ganca area," "Northeast (mountains)," "Baku area," "Karabakh area," "Central Azerbaijan," and "South Azerbaijan." --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 16:41, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

''Copied from Azerbaijan:
 * Administrative divisions : (Using Official Azerbaijani names, not English names.)
 * 59 rayons (rayonlar; rayon - singular) : Abseron Rayonu, Agjabadi Rayonu, Agdam Rayonu, Agdas Rayonu, Agstafa Rayonu, Agsu Rayonu, Astara Rayonu, Balakan Rayonu, Barda Rayonu, Beylaqan Rayonu, Bilasuvar Rayonu, Cabrayil Rayonu, Calilabad Rayonu, Daskasan Rayonu, Davaci Rayonu, Fuzuli Rayonu, Gadabay Rayonu, Goranboy Rayonu, Goycay Rayonu, Haciqabul Rayonu, Imisli Rayonu, Ismayilli Rayonu, Kalbacar Rayonu, Kurdamir Rayonu, Lacin Rayonu, Lankaran Rayonu, Lerik Rayonu, Masalli Rayonu, Neftcala Rayonu, Oguz Rayonu, Qabala Rayonu, Qax Rayonu, Qazax Rayonu, Qobustan Rayonu, Quba Rayonu, Qubadli Rayonu, Qusar Rayonu, Saatli Rayonu, Sabirabad Rayonu, Sheki Rayonu, Salyan Rayonu, Shamaxi Rayonu, Shamkir Rayonu, Samux Rayonu, Siyazan Rayonu, Shusha Rayonu, Tartar Rayonu, Tovuz Rayonu, Ucar Rayonu, Xacmaz Rayonu, Xanlar Rayonu, Xizi Rayonu, Xocali Rayonu, Xocavand Rayonu, Yardimli Rayonu, Yevlax Rayonu, Zangilan Rayonu, Zaqatala Rayonu, Zardab Rayonu


 * Here are the removed cities that need to be put into the region hierarchy (preferably sooner rather than later!) -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 10:36, 30 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Ali Bayramli
 * Shusha
 * Yevlax
 * Xankandi
 * Astara
 * Goychay
 * Guba
 * Qax
 * Qazak
 * Shemkir
 * Xachmaz
 * Zaqatala


 * Done. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 14:19, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

Here's my rough draft of a regions hierarchy; I would appreciate comments! Once we have settled on the hierarchy, I will turn this into a Wikivoyage-style regions map.


 * Central Azerbaijan (including Absheron Peninsula)
 * Northeastern Azerbaijan
 * Sheki Region
 * Nagorno-Karabakh (and Armenian occupied territory)
 * Northwestern Azerbaijan
 * Southern Azerbaijan
 * Nakhichevan (region)

We could possibly combine the Sheki Region with the Northeast, although there are no transportation links between these two areas. I was also kind of unsure what to do with the sparsely populated center of the country. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 12:44, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

Kudos on the Sheki name change!! (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 02:54, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

I would like to propose using these region names which coincide with the Azeri Tourism Ministry. This could be helpful if travelers need to gather information from the Tourism Office while visiting.

Rayons should also be listed for the regions. For regions like Nakhchivan, the area included is not hard to distinguish, but as it is listed now on wikivoyage, it is difficult to tell where some of the borders are. This will also help avoid overlap.

My suggestion for regions would be as follows: 1. Baku - Absheron: Includes Baku, Absheron district, and Sumgayit 2. Guba - Khachmaz Region: Includes: Guba, Khachmaz, Siyazan, Devechi, & Gusar 3. Shirvan Region: Includes: Gobustan, Shamakhi, Agsu, Goychay, Ismailly, Kyurdamir, Ujar, Zardab, and Agdash 4. Mugan Region: Includes: Ali Bayramli, Beylagan, Hajigabul, Imishli, Saatly, & Sabirabad 5. Lankeran - Astara: Includes Lankaran, Astara, Bilasuvar, Jalilabad, Lerik, Masally, Neftchala, Salyan, and Yardymly 6. Sheki - Zagatala Region: Includes Sheki, Zagatala, Balaken, Gabala, Gakh, & Oghuz 7. Garabag Region: Includes Kelbajar, Terter, Barda, Agjabedi, Agdam, Khojavend, Fizuli, Jabrayil, Zangilan, Gubadli, Lachin, Shusha, & Khojali 8. Nakhchivan Region: Includes: Nakhchivan, Ordubad, Julfa, Babek, Shahbuz, Sharur, Sadarak, & Kengerli (WT-en) Starvinghog 07:12, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Azerbaijani Regions
A couple of suggestions..

1. I think that southern Azerbaijan should be divided between the Southeast and South central. I think that the areas are quite different, so it would be better to do that.

2. Ucar, Zardab and Kurdimir should be in the southern region.

3. Shamaxi should be included in the Center region.

4. I think that the Sheki region and the Northeast region need to be separate. Also, they have historically been separate. (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 23:40, 30 May 2007 (EDT)


 * I will follow your lead on this, as I have only spent one week in Azerbaijan! One question and I'll get started on a full regions map: How do we divide the southeast from south central? What districts where? --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 23:43, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I think that South Central should include:

Ucar, Kurdimir, Zardab, Agibadi, Fuzuli, Beylagan, and Imishli

The South East should have:

Saatly, Sabiribad, Salyan, Neftchala, Jalibad, Masally, Lankaran, Astara, Lerik, etc

(WT-en) Cupcakecommander 06:50, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

Chage the names of the regions
There are noty such regions as Talysh region and Nagorno-Karkabakh regions.The region which refers to Nagorno-Karabakh is indeed is absolutely mis-representation. There is Greater Karabakh. Nagrono Karabakh is just part of the Greater Karabakh geographically, ethnically, and historically.

Second, there is not a region called Talysh region. Talish people are constitutent part of the Azerbaijani nation, adding up to 70 thousand people. They mostly live only in 3 administrative regions of Astara, Lenkeran and Lerik. In the rest of the region which you refer as the Talysh the majority of the population ethnically is not Talysh. So this is first of all injustice and mis-representation of facts again.

THird, I am suggesting to editors to remain aside of politics. THis is a wiki web site for tourists, not for politicians. We here in Azerbaijan do not change or name regions just becuase some foreigners or tourists like the name or it would seem interesting to them.

I am Azerbaijan and Azerbaijani. Those who don't like my name and me, are not welcome in my country. Atilla.--213.172.73.210 08:35, 14 November 2008 (EST)


 * Please do not make changes like this without first gaining consensus for your proposal. Please also see Project:Geographical hierarchy for information on how Wikivoyage organizes its region pages. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:08, 14 November 2008 (EST)

Update proposal
I would like to propose using these region names which coincide with the Azeri Tourism Ministry. This could be helpful if travelers need to gather information from the Tourism Office while visiting.

Rayons should also be listed for the regions. For regions like Nakhchivan, the area included is not hard to distinguish, but as it is listed now on wikivoyage, it is difficult to tell where some of the borders are. This will also help avoid overlap.

My suggestion for regions would be as follows: (WT-en) Starvinghog 07:12, 23 January 2008 (EST)
 * 1) Baku - Absheron: Includes Baku, Absheron district, and Sumgayit
 * 2) Guba - Khachmaz Region: Includes: Guba, Khachmaz, Siyazan, Devechi, & Gusar
 * 3) Shirvan Region: Includes: Gobustan, Shamakhi, Agsu, Goychay, Ismailly, Kyurdamir, Ujar, Zardab, and Agdash
 * 4) Mugan Region: Includes: Ali Bayramli, Beylagan, Hajigabul, Imishli, Saatly, & Sabirabad
 * 5) Lankeran - Astara: Includes Lankaran, Astara, Bilasuvar, Jalilabad, Lerik, Masally, Neftchala, Salyan, and Yardymly
 * 6) Sheki - Zagatala Region: Includes Sheki, Zagatala, Balaken, Gabala, Gakh, & Oghuz
 * 7) Garabag Region: Includes Kelbajar, Terter, Barda, Agjabedi, Agdam, Khojavend, Fizuli, Jabrayil, Zangilan, Gubadli, Lachin, Shusha, & Khojali
 * 8) Nakhchivan Region: Includes: Nakhchivan, Ordubad, Julfa, Babek, Shahbuz, Sharur, Sadarak, & Kengerli


 * I'm all for using non-directional names (e.g., Northeastern Azerbaijan), so I definitely don't mind changing things a bit. We do, however, already list rayons on the region pages&mdash;I don't think it's a good idea to list them on the main Azerbaijan article, as they would start to clutter the region list. So to distill your proposal a bit, you are proposing we rename:


 * Northeastern Azerbaijan &rarr; "Guba-Khachmaz Region"
 * Shirvan Region would be made from parts of the Ganja Region, Southern Azerbaijan, & Southern Azerbaijan
 * Baku Region &rarr; "Baku-Absheron"
 * Mugan Region would be made from parts of the Talysh Region & Southern Azerbaijan


 * I like these four proposals, as they rename regions & redraw regions to reflect local names & local cultures.


 * But you have forgotten the rest of the rayons in the current Ganja Region&mdash;do you think that should be left intact, after having broken off the rayons going into the Shirvan Region? You also left out Khizhi from your proposal&mdash;should it belong to the "Shirvan Region?"


 * I oppose creating a Nakhchivan Region of Azerbaijan, because the vast majority of it is controlled by Armenia & the unrecognized government of Nagorno-Karabakh, and is therefore not open to visitors from Azerbaijan. I prefer to leave the current Nagorno-Karabakh section of the map as is, as it delineates, more or less, the line of control.


 * I also oppose the name change from Talysh Region to Lankaran-Astara&mdash;I prefer "Talysh Region" because that refers to the culture of the region, rather than simply its principal cities.


 * Lastly, I don't think it is necessary to rename Sheki Region to "Sheki-Zaqatala," because Sheki is overwhelmingly the most important destination in that section of the country. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 07:57, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Thanks for pointing out my oversite on Ganja. It should be the final region. The Tourism Ministry calls it the Ganjabasar Region. This would include: Yevlakh, Mingechevir, Goranboy, Ganja, Khanlar, Dashkesan, Samukh, Shamkir, Gadabey, Tovuz, Gazakh, and Agstafa.

Khizhi is generally grouped with the Guba-Khachmaz regions of the NE.

I agree with your idea of the Nakchivan Region would be confusing to travelers to have the occupied territories listed under Azerbaijan, but they are accepted as Azeri territories. Perhaps they should be included in a section called "Occupied Territories" also. This might have a few benefits including travel warnings. As you can imagine, this territory is a hot topic throughout Azerbaijan. Not listing it on the Azer travel page could also be perceived as a political affiliation.

I don't think the Talysh Region name needs to change. Same goes with the Sheki page. But for the Talysh Region, we should definitely include rayon names. I've never heard it referred to as the Talysh Region by locals. They go by rayon/city names. Lankeran is synonymous with SE.

In short, I think the following pages should be added: add Khizhi to Guba-Khachmaz; add a Ganjabasar Region; and an Occupied Region.

(WT-en) Starvinghog 08:44, 23 January 2008 (EST)

I do not agree with Starvinghog on his suggestions on the names of the region. You are talking of ,aki9ng the list of regions consistent with the list of the Ministry of Tourism, but then you are suggesting to keep the name of the region as the Talysh region. This is illogical. You don't provide any arguments for this as well. I reject your proposal. I suggest that we should be consistent with the Azerbaijan Ministry of Tourism and names of regions shall be consistent with the the names given by Azerbaijani people. This will also respect the choices and names given by Azerbaijani people. Secondaly, I am sure that non-Talysh people of the region would very much dislike to hear that they live in pse-udo region called Talysh region by a distant foreigner who has no clue on the history and ethnic composition of Azerbaijan. Second naming this region as Talysh would just confuse tourists and can create problems with the police and the local population. So if you objective is to create problems for tourists then we can go on with Peter's illogical and groundless suggestions. Atilla--213.172.73.210 02:32, 17 November 2008 (EST)


 * All !  Exisitng names of regions don't match their real borders and NAMES  !  In Azerbaijan, we don't separate country to regions in daily life, but there are some for statistical and analysis proposals:

1. Absheron. Includes City of Baku and Sumqayit, Absheron and Xizi rayons

2. Ganja-Qazakh. Includes City of Ganja, Agstafa, Qazakh, Tovuz, Shamkir, Gadabay, Dashkasan, Samukh, Goygol, Goranboy rayons

3. Shaki-Zaqatala. Includes City of Shaki, Balaken, Zaqatala, Qakh, Shaki, Oquz and Qabala rayons

4. Lankaran. City and of Lankaran, Astara, Lerik, Yardymly, South Lankaran, Masally, Jalilabad rayons

5. Quba-Khachmaz. Khachmaz, Shabran, Siazan, Qusar, Quba rayons

6. Arran. Includes. City of Shirvan, Mingachevir, Naftalan and Yevlakh, Lankaran North, Neftchala, Bilasuvar, Salyan, Sabirabad, Saatly, Imishli, Beylaqan, Hajiqabul, Kurdamir, Zarbad, Barda, Yevlakh, Agdash, Goychay, Ujar rayons

7. Daglig-Shirvan. Gobustan, Shamakhi, Agsu, Ismailly rayons

8. Nakhchvan. Territory of Nakhchvan Autonomus Republic ( enclave )

9. Yukhary-Garabakh ( Original territory of Nagorno-karabakh autonomus oblast)

10. Kalbajar - Lachin. Defacto occupied by Armenia. This area links landlocked Garabakh and Armenia.

This changes will make life of travelers easier and will help to better understand country. Also as variant, it can be used Old russian or safavi iranian, osman, seljuk or halifate admin division that used to be presented those times. I think travelers have to be familiar with the former historical states that used to be presented in different regions. Besides Azerbaijan, i can't make maps...plugs dont installing on my pc. Maybe someone can make map like this Ismail Khatai (talk) 07:25, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * You're proposing 10 regions. Currently, there are 7 on this site. Given that regions are set up on this site for the benefit of travellers, regardless of whether they are official or not, is there currently enough content to support 10 region articles or will there be after you add it? I guess the basic question is, can each of these regions support at least 7 or so city + "other destinations" articles (maybe 5 might be sufficient in a few cases)? I think that what would help would be to detail which currently existing articles would come under which of the 10 regions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:37, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * for the benefit of travellers - the exact reason to change region list for the article. Current divisions mixing different geographic and cultural regions which is not convenience for tourists. My proposal is to separate mountanious regions from dry steppe and river valleys. Such sepations will creat more density of landmarks and to do thing for every single region. I agree to remain Nagorno-Karabakh territory as it is, but with some remarks of the occupied and original terrritory to give a better understanding for tourists.

One more region need to be added to achieve the required amount of regions. Current regions can be renamed in other way than regional classification:


 * 1) Baku to Absheron-Shirvan


 * 1) Ganja to Ganjabasar


 * 1) Shaki to Shaki-Balaken


 * 1) Talysh to South-East Arran-Talysh


 * 1) Southern to Arran


 * 1) Northeastern to Quba-Khachmaz

Nakhchivan and Nagorno-karabakh remain the same Ismail Khatai (talk) 11:33, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I expressed my feeling about the Nagorno-Karabakh map at Talk:Nagorno-Karabakh. In the interest of travellers, the parts of Nagorno-Karabakh under the control of Azerbaijan should not be grouped with the areas that are de facto independent.


 * But that said, I think it's still a relevant question how many city + "other destinations" articles can currently be linked from each of the 10 regions (you can also include articles you plan to start). Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:09, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I notice you've started creating articles for rayons. I didn't realize you planned on doing that. It may be that there is enough content for 10 region articles, but I seriously doubt that there will be enough content to have an article for every rayon, and therefore, at this time, I would oppose there being any rayon articles. Instead, let's see if we can develop a consensus for re-regionalizing Azerbaijan into the 10 official districts, as you'd like to do. You can start by listing the cities and "other regions" — not rayons — in each of the 10 districts that already have articles, or which have enough potential content (for example, a couple of potential listings for "See", "Do", "Eat" and "Sleep") for you to create useful articles about them.


 * The other thing is, we will need more than 2 people discussing this, so after you address this question, one of us should post a pointer and summary to Requests for comment. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:58, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Should cities + see + do lists added to current region pages ? Ismail Khatai (talk) 14:12, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * No. See Region article template for some basic guidance, but the basic idea would be to give brief prose (not templated and not bulleted) summaries of the highlights of things to do, see, etc. in the region. You might want to read through that page before discussing a new regionalization scheme for Azerbaijan. It's waited for some time and can wait longer without any terrible consequences. You could also consider looking at that article's talk page afterwards. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:34, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * To clarify: All cities in a region should be listed and linked in the "Cities" section, but "See" and "Do" should not be lists in region pages. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:35, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikivoyage Presentation in Azeri
Guys, I have a recently translated explanation of Wikivoyage; detailing the purpose and benefits of creating a wikivoyage page in English and Azeri if any of you are interested. Just let me know and I can send it to you. (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 09:04, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

Orphaned (and unreachable) cities
The following towns are in the Azerbaijan region of Nagorno-Karabakh, but are not actually part of the unrecognized state of Nagorno-Karabakh:


 * Jabrayil, Kalbajar, Lachin, Qubadli, Khojali, Khojavand, and Zangilan.

All these towns are under the full control of either the Nagorno-Karabakh separatist government or the Armenian military and, I believe, are totally closed to foreigners. Many, if not all, may also be ghost towns with no remaining places to stay. I'm not too sure what to do with these&mdash;we could change the regional structure of Azerbaijan somewhat to have a Nagorno-Karabakh region and a Armenian occupied territories region to cover these cities, but I'm not sure we should bother if no one can go to these places anyway.

Another orphaned city is Tartar, which is right by the de facto border, but is controlled by Azerbaijan. I think it would fit into Ganja Region, but I was just curious whether Azerbaijan allows travelers to visit. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:59, 8 July 2007 (EDT)


 * It is possible to go to Tartar city as the actual line of control is about 10 km west of it. (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 01:59, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Great, I've now deorphaned it. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:03, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Trans-Caucasus Itinerary
I am interested in assisting in creating a 12-15 day trans-Caucasus itinerary with Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia. Would anyone be interested in assisting me with this? (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 02:53, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

Visa Requirements for Azerbaijan
Any one knows what is the visa requirements for Azerbaijan ? I found a page in Ministry of Forign Affairs site of Azerbaijan but interested to see what is it actually like in real cases and experience of travellers. --(WT-en) Mehrdad 08:01, 14 August 2007 (EDT) Entering Azerbaijan from Georgia. All I needed to do was fill out a form, put down an address of a hotel, pay $63 (for Canadians), provide2 passprot photos and I was fine. No letter of invitation needed.

Transliteration
We are all over the place with our Azeri&rarr;English transliteration. While some consonants (like ə and ı) are odd enough where we should simply defer to the name-specific English-language standard (like Ganja), we should aim for consistency with others:


 * Cc &rarr; j
 * Çç &rarr; ch
 * Ğğ &rarr; gh
 * Xx &rarr; kh
 * Jj &rarr; y
 * Qq &rarr; q
 * Şş &rarr; sh

These are pretty much based on standard English-language transliterations of Turkish. The only one that would be at all controversial is q&rarr;q, since a lot of people seem to gravitate towards q&rarr;g, but that just makes it harder to divine what the original Azeri spelling was&mdash;there's no reason to drop the q. Any objections to using these as transliteration rules? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:01, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Azerbaijan edit conflict
copied from User talk:(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald

I rolled back three edits made by an anonymous user yesterday on the Azerbaijan article (history) in an attempt to keep the working neutral regarding the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. This user redid those edits. The paragraphs have been moved and broken up, but the only significant change is the wording of NKR-related sentences (which I recently wrote). It started off as this little blurb:
 * The region of Nagorno-Karabakh was the subject of a war with Armenia that has left it a de facto independent republic. "Occupied" by the Armenian army, this conflict has not officially ended with minor skirmishes frequent, and is a major source of contention among Azerbaijanis.''

Occupied is in quotation marks to reflect the attitude you find throughout Az. regarding the situation. I thought that was a good description of the situation and fair, but this anonymous user has changed it to:
 * The Nagorno-Karabakh enclave, which is part of Azerbaijan, was the subject of a war with Armenia that has left it a de facto independent republic, which is not internationally recognized, ironically including Armenia which "supports" it. Azerbaijan has lost 13% of its territory and must support some 800,000 refugees and internally displaced persons as a result of the conflict. Despite a 1994 cease-fire, Azerbaijan has yet to resolve its conflict with Armenia over the Azerbaijani Nagorno-Karabakh enclave. Occupied by the local Armenian troops to this day, this conflict has not officially ended with minor skirmishes frequent, and is a major source of contention among Azerbaijanis. "

The user asserts in the edit summary that: "Occupied is a fact based not on politics but on the actual situation which does affect potential travellers to that area." It would be nice if, as an admin and third-party, you could please explain this to the user as I'm not sure how to best explain this to him/her and would like to avoid an edit war. Thanks. (WT-en) AHeneen 00:00, 13 July 2010 (EDT)


 * It's probably best that we discuss before continuing in light of disagreement, so I have reverted the article to the prior version per Project:Consensus. I don't have any serious problems with either version in terms of reconciling them, but would strongly suggest that we significantly decrease the amount of attention paid to the N-K conflict in the understand section, as it's not terribly important background information for travelers, who would be better served by information related to the kinds of things they will see when visiting the more visited parts of the country (Baku, Sheki, Qobustan, etc.). Very few visitors are going to see anything related to the war and none will visit N-K on their Azerbaijan trip.


 * Also, it would be nice to shorten that intro and move some of the info to the understand section—but not the entire thing! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:37, 13 July 2010 (EDT)

Currency?
Our Currency article currently says prices in Azerbaijan should be in the format "AZN100" but this article mostly uses "100 AZN". I'd prefer "100 manat" to either of those; I think it is more readable. Other opinions? Pashley (talk) 15:45, 21 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The currency article now says to use "manat". If a different decision is reached here, that article will need updating too. Pashley (talk) 16:09, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I think we should use the local name and not the ISO code. Jjtkk (talk) 16:46, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree, but that may not count for much since I don't know the country. Pashley (talk) 19:43, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Cities and "Other destinations"
First, towns or villages should not be included, because populated places are classed as "cities" on this site. However, as only 7 "Cities" are listed (one of which currently is red-linked), 2 of the "Notable towns and villages" should be moved to the "Cities" section. Which ones?

Second, are we OK with resorts being listed with external links at the country level? Perhaps that's OK. What do you all think? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:15, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Anyone? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:16, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The two that have articles and are inhabited; Khinalug and Gakh. The ghost town can stay in Other destinations.
 * Because there are just a few of resorts with external links, and we don't have articles for them, I'm not opposed to keeping them here. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:44, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Qakh and Khinalyg are not ghost towns. They should stay in Town and Village section. User:Ismail Khatai (talk) 16:16, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * There should not be a separate section for towns and villages. Wikivoyage policy is to consider all communities as "cities", regardless of their population and what they are officially called. See Geographical hierarchy and Country article template for some guidelines. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:42, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Respect for Women
I changed the following point in Respect because it seemed suspect. I'm not suggesting the Azerbaijan should be a sexist country, but suggesting that all areas of the former USSR are female friendly, as well as the somewhat aggressive tone doesn't sit easy with me. Women_in_Azerbaijan doesn't support the view below with "40% of Azerbaijanis surveyed in 2012 still believed that agree that women should tolerate domestic violence in order to keep their family together, and 22% agreed that there are times when a woman deserves to be beaten"


 * Women in Azerbaijan are traditionally treated with utmost respect, as it is also the case in the entire CIS/former USSR area. Female travellers should not act surprised or indignant when their Azerbaijani male friends pay their bills at restaurants, open every door in front of them, offer their hand to help them climb down that little step or help them carry anything heavier than a handbag - this is not sexual harassment or being condescending to females. Male travellers should understand that this is exactly the sort of behavior that most Azerbaijani girls and women will expect from them, too.

--Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:46, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Warning box

 * "However, the warnings vary&mdash;Canada and New Zealand are often on one side of the extreme. "

Should we really casting shade on travel warnings provided by any countries? Do we have better intel than these countries' foreign ministries? That sounds presumptuous to me. I think it would be better to report the gist of various countries' warnings, and let the readers make up their own minds. Ground Zero (talk) 02:46, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't quite understand what it's supposed to mean. Selfie City (talk) 03:41, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's best to link various countries' travel advisories. It's certainly possible to characterize those warnings, but only descriptively. See Danakil Depression for an example. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:35, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Liberal attitude towards Islam?
What is a "liberal attitude towards Islam" (in Understand/Culture)? I would take that as Azeri accepting Islam and Muslims, but as the majority are Muslims, that cannot be the intended meaning. Is it about them accepting Muslim denominations other than their own? Would Shi'ite Muslims be assumed to be less liberal? Isn't that prejudice? Anyway, this needs to be reworded in a way that travellers with little knowledge from before can understand. –LPfi (talk) 20:30, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I would assume what that means is a liberal form of Islam, meaning one relatively lacking in strong efforts to restrict dress or behavior. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:38, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd assume that too. I think Azerbaijanis are among the, if not the, least religious and practising Muslim-majority nations. From WP: "Azerbaijan ... is often considered the most secularized Muslim-majority nation." Vidimian (talk) 22:22, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I'd presume. I would take it to mean that most Azerbaijani citizens still identify as Shia Muslims, and still retain some Islamic cultural practices, but are otherwise not very strict in their observance of things like Islamic dress and sex segregation. The dog2 (talk) 22:45, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Or abstaining from drinking alcohol. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:35, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sounds plausible. Does somebody know? Could somebody put into words in the article? (On least religious: how do Azeris compare to Bosniaks?) –LPfi (talk) 07:58, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Re: Azerbaijanis vs Bosniaks, there are many questions asked in inquiries attempting to assess the religiousity of societies. Off the top of my head, this is a research commonly cited on online forums, estimating the support for w:Sharia (the fundamental Islamic law) among Muslims. The least support is among Azerbaijanis, and the Bosniaks' support is almost double that of Azerbaijanis, although the overall margin is not very wide. w:Religion in Europe also has some comparisons (30% more of Bosniaks replied "yes" to "is religion important in your daily life?" than Azerbaijanis), and w:Cultural Muslims has some background info. Vidimian (talk) 11:45, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Carnet required?
Azerbaijan says that to bring in a car a deposit of several thousand US$ used to be required, but no longer is.

Is a Carnet de Passages required? Pashley (talk) 14:03, 13 September 2023 (UTC)