Talk:Arthur-Pieman Conservation Area

Guide?
I don't think this article is guide yet.


 * Different choices for which parts to visit: I doubt the Edge of the World and the Sandy Cape Track are the only places worth seeing; OK, there are two options (plus the one outside the park) but I don't think that's what is meant by "different choices".
 * Multiple attractions and things to do: as above, there are now three of them.
 * Clear information on getting around: The Get around just says that you should use a car. The information on the condition of the roads or tracks is in Do, for one route, while Understand says you don't need the off-road permit unless you intend to drive that or similar routes. The article gives you no idea on what is needed to reach the Edge of the World.

It might be difficult to get more complete information on the park, but much could be done. Without some descriptions on where you can drive without the "unneeded" off-road permit I don't think this can be guide, nor without directions for the two See listings.

The most important "See" things of parks are usually the landscape itself, and the flora and fauna you stumble across, not anything well caught in the listing format. However, one could describe those sights in a much livelier tone than what now is used in Understand, perhaps adding paragraphs to See, where you would get also some directions on how to find and best experience them.

–LPfi (talk) 12:40, 3 January 2023 (UTC)


 * There are a lot more Aboriginal sites, but the exact location of these is unknown (and probably for a good reason). Coming back to your points:
 * Multiple attractions: Addressed. The Edge of the World is the only reason why people come here, and that's it. Although there are many beaches, West Coast Tasmania's weather is not very forgiving and practically not feasible places to visit.
 * As the article mentions, the second reason why many come here is because it contains some of the world's cleanest air, and more so because Cape Grim is only accessible via a guided tour
 * Clear information on getting around: the Edge of the World is on a paved road. The article even says "many places, including the Edge of the World, do not require a pass." The "Fees and permits" section also directs users to https://parks.tas.gov.au/explore-our-parks/arthur-pieman-conservation-area/apca-recreational-driver-pass, which has detailed information.
 * Technically, it does fulfill the criteria per Park article status (multiple ways of getting in, all choices, accommodation, go next, eat, get around), but FWIW, I prefer not to list the flora and fauna info twice, one because I'm not a fan of having the same content twice, and two, this is true for all of Western Tasmania or Tasmania for that matter, which is already explained in Tasmania.
 * -- SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 12:59, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Done, have added Sandy Cape Beach, even though it's not realistically a destination. Also added a paragraph stating that there are not many individual attractions. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 13:11, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. While the article technically fulfils the criteria, I think more should be required, and at least some copy editing and moving things around is still needed.
 * If the Edge of the World is the only thing people come here, we shouldn't say "also home to the Edge of the World" in the lead, and "the reason why many travellers visit" in See. I assume many come also to see other aspects of the park, and we should keep a tone that inspires people to look also for other things (also things other than the clean air). Most importantly, I think, if people come for just one or two things, we should tell that clearly (while perhaps adding info on what other things you could do and watch for). By car you can of course just drive there and back, while in UKK, where you usually hike to Luirojärvi in three days (and three more to get back), you more or less need to enjoy also other things.
 * Nowhere is it mentioned that the road to the Edge of the World is paved. It only says that you don't need the permit for it. You could infer that the road isn't an "off-road track", but that doesn't tell it is paved, and it could be an exception even to that. I'd much prefer the road conditions to be explicitly told in Get around. You could tell that there is a paved road through the northern part of the park, continuing along its eastern edge, the unpaved (?) road to Temma, and some off-road tracks in the northern parts and at a few other places (I'm just guessing based on the map and the article). It also doesn't say how difficult it is to drive on off-road tracks other than the Sandy Cape Trail, which seems like special (perhaps one should just advice people to research any off-road track they intend to use, but something needs to be said).
 * –LPfi (talk) 14:25, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * done for the first. I'll be on the road towards Tasmania in two days time and may visit the park pending that some other place in northwest Tasmania doesn't draw me in. Is there any on-the-ground information that you want me to collect? SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 05:15, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Recently visited the park (but only the Edge of the World) and can confirm that nothing major is missing. As the article (barely) passes the criteria, I've reupgraded it to guide. SHB2000  (talk &#124; contribs &#124; meta) 00:12, 23 January 2023 (UTC)