Talk:Airplane seat maps

Purpose
Why do I get the impression that this article was created solely to promote a particular web site? This is a rather narrowly-focused topic which might warrant a passing mention in Tips for flying, but certainly doesn't need its own article. I'm going to propose that it be deleted. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:57, 9 July 2006 (EDT)


 * Your right! I believe that this article can be rewritten to provide good information. --(WT-en) Texas Web Scout 18:39, 12 July 2006 (EDT)

Airplane seat maps

 * A thinly-veiled ad for a commercial provider. Doesn't look like an article to me, but should probably be discussed before it is deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:55, 9 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. There may be a travel topic hiding around there somewhere, but that ain't it. -- (WT-en) Colin 21:05, 9 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Neutral. -- (WT-en) Colin 22:05, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. This warrants at most a one-sentence mention (without the link) in Tips for flying, not a whole article. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 00:10, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. However, this is a surprisingly big topic, and I do think there should be links to not this site, but SeatGuru and SeatExpert, the two biggest seat data sites. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:32, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I wonder, Jani, why you want to see it deleted even if you think it's a big topic. --(WT-en) Evan 20:18, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
 * It's a big topic in the sense that there are multiple other sites devoted to it, but I don't think it really falls within Wikivoyage's scope anymore. Is it really our mission in life to start maintaining seat maps of every airplane of every airline out there? (WT-en) Jpatokal 20:18, 21 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Berru (talk • contribs) 15:35, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. If this is a big travel topic, as JPatokal says, it's probably worth having on the site. We have similar discussions about on-line services at e.g. Hospitality exchange. --(WT-en) Evan 13:45, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * What is there for us to say about any of these sites, beyond telling people that such services exist? Take the brand-specific promotional verbiage off this page, and you're left with a stub, to which we can add little but an "External link farm" section. Merge and redirect to Tips for flying. -(WT-en) Todd VerBeek 20:02, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I point once again to Hospitality exchange or Discount airlines in Europe. We've already got a number of travel topics giving overviews for travel-related services, both online and off. Other ways of seeing travel has been an important part of Wikivoyage since its inception; part of our strength has been letting ideas like this germinate for a while. Sometimes they grow, sometimes they don't. As Jani said, this is a big subject, and it's worth taking care of it to see what develops. --(WT-en) Evan 20:18, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Pointing to the External link farm for discount airlines in Europe article isn't an argument I find very persuasive. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 22:07, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. I'd find this a usful topic myself. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. This is a useful topic and as the internet empowers people more and more. This type of travel topic serves as an educational topic, giving consumers the tools to make informed flying decisions. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) FantasticFlyer (talk • contribs) 18:16, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. I agree that it seems to be a thinly-veiled ad. I'm picky about where I sit on airplanes, but I don't understand us covering this. Worth a mention in some article somewhere that these sites exist, I guess (though I'm not drawn to them). (WT-en) OldPine 21:30, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete for the same reason OldPine and Jani give. -- Sappphire
 * Keep and expand scope. I've updated the page to look more like an overview of the topic. However I don't think there's a whole article in Airplane seat maps, but there might be one in Choosing an airplane seat, given that there are all kinds of competing issues with children, emergency rows, aisle, window... links to a few of these sites would be part of that. (WT-en) Hypatia 21:37, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Do you feel the expanded scope will exceed what will fit in Tips for flying? -- (WT-en) Colin 21:53, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I don't think that's easy to answer given the size of some of our articles: it would certainly merit a big independent section. But I think it could be about the same size as First and business class travel if done comprehensively, and that has an independent article. (WT-en) Hypatia 21:58, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Move the content to Tips for flying. For travel topics the attitude seems to be that anything that might ever be useful to someone can have its own article, but I don't think that's helpful.  The guidelines in Project:What is an article? state: "In general, a good rule of thumb is that information about attractions, sites, and events should always be initially placed into the article for the place they're located in, and only when that information becomes large and complex should a new article be considered."  Why not apply this guideline to travel topics, too?  In this case move the content to the more general Tips for flying, and if the section on airline seat maps ever grows to a point where a separate article is called for then it can be created.  As of right now, a separate article isn't warranted. -- (WT-en) Ryan 22:15, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
 * What Ryan said. 202.156.2.35 23:57, 24 July 2006 (EDT) (Jpatokal)
 * I've added material to Tips for flying to cover this topic.  Unless anyone has additional information about Airplane seat maps to add... {crickets chirping}... that really ought to be adequate for now. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 20:42, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I also added the two sites suggested by Jani - they aren't clearly in line with Project:External links, but we do include similar links in a lot of travel topic articles, so hopefully they're OK. With that done I'd be fine with redirecting this article to Tips for flying. -- (WT-en) Ryan 21:03, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Added on a little more and made it its own subsection. I think we have a consensus now that this can be deleted/redirected. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:37, 26 July 2006 (EDT)